Why do Black men rape White women?

[Oleg Bach]

All sexual assualt these days is a racial attack - seeing in the last 30 years - a great wedge though feminist eccentric hate for males has devided the sexes into races....and racism is practiced by some woman now - who hate men - and men who now look at woman as another race to be dispised and prejudice against - what was once a union between the sexes is not to a degree become a race war - a war of the sexes.

[benny]

Children need direction, fixed schedules and activities such a dancing, music, sports from a young age so that they learn discipline - self-discipline to be exact

Otherwise, meet 90% worrying mothers going out of their minds (NOT fathers) hoping for the best for their child/children. Teen years to say 23 is the time when the “ young harsh tests” is tested. What this really means is the young ones go berserk following the “in” crowd, the “TV” crowd, make wrong choices, trying drugs, alcohol, and sex with too many regrets.

I meet up with worrying parents with teens every week that has the same story – they are not happy with their teens. Plus I am still in university so I would asks the students about this trendy behavior of establishing themselves where friends are important during the trying years. The answer of the older students - they have smarten up, they are older, wiser, would not like repeated experience, they were foolish, should have listened to the parents….teens are disappointments to their parents – but thank heavens parents have some faith, patience, forgiveness and hope for their precious or miracle children.

One of the good advice from the students was that the mother is always standing there - waiting, waiting for the prodigal child to return with welcome arms. In short, the parent stood by them and waited for the lasses to come to their senses.

In a bigger picture, it is strange even when they kick us, we have so much more courage and hope that we can continue to cling to our own kind, to guide them because we know there is something better out there for them but we could not transfer or relate some of that hope to see other kinds of people, other color of people in the same light

You get it now, so it seems!

[RB]

You get it now, so it seems!

What I get is that youths are:

- selfish

- narcissistic

- violent

And they have nothing except what their parents offer to them.

[benny]

What I get is that youths are:

- selfish

- narcissistic

- violent

And they have nothing except what their parents offer to them.

By mixing selfishness, narcissism and violence, you can easily get rapists.

[kimmy]

Oh the TV guides the entire place senseless - I would be foolish NOT to make up my own mind - making a claime that a certain group of people is ugly is ad hoc. But, I would be foolish not to capitalise on what the TV sells - it is already good business and well promoted.

I gather you're trying to say "yes, our society promotes a Eurocentric image of beauty."

What I get is that youths are:

- selfish

- narcissistic

- violent

And they have nothing except what their parents offer to them.

What a terrific attitude for someone who works with young people to have!

-k

[Bonam]

Wow these last few pages are pretty ridiculous. It's almost as bad as that thread a few years back where we had some posters arguing that "race does not exist". Close your eyes, deny reality, and claim victory.

Fact is, all else being equal, a rapist is gonna go for the target they find most attractive (according to their own criteria, whatever they may be). Of course if the most attractive one is "not vulnerable" enough, then they'll find someone else. But given a choice between someone they find repulsive and someone they find "exciting" the result would be obvious. How can anyone argue otherwise? Willfully ignoring reality is useless. So what if no particular study has been conducted on this topic? Do you really need a study to tell you that men go for women that they find attractive? Do you need a study to tell you that apples grow on trees? Do you need a study to tell you that the sun rises every morning?

Some things are just plain obvious truths that anyone should be able to see for themselves without a freaking study.

[benny]

Fact is, all else being equal, a rapist is gonna go for the target they find most attractive (according to their own criteria, whatever they may be).

In other words, you say that facts are subjective!

[RB]

What a terrific attitude for someone who works with young people to have!

-k

It might have sounded better had I said I approve of their vanity and selfishness.

I can see now how using vanity as survival tools work to metaphorically speaking .. jump off the bridge

A nicer ready-made explanation for irresponsible behaviour.

Edited August 21, 2009 by RB

[benny]

It might have sounded better had I said I approve of their vanity and selfishness.

To be understood, avoiding sarcasms helps.

[Guest American Woman]

Fact is, all else being equal, a rapist is gonna go for the target they find most attractive (according to their own criteria, whatever they may be). Of course if the most attractive one is "not vulnerable" enough, then they'll find someone else. But given a choice between someone they find repulsive and someone they find "exciting" the result would be obvious. How can anyone argue otherwise? Willfully ignoring reality is useless. So what if no particular study has been conducted on this topic? Do you really need a study to tell you that men go for women that they find attractive? Do you need a study to tell you that apples grow on trees? Do you need a study to tell you that the sun rises every morning?

Some things are just plain obvious truths that anyone should be able to see for themselves without a freaking study.

Do you really need a study to tell you that men go for women that they find attractive?

This isn't a study, but it is coming 'straight from the horses' mouth, so to speak:

A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts : 1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed . They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair . Women with short hair are not common targets. 2) The second thing men look for is clothing . They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly . Many of them carry scissors around specifically to cut clothing. 3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered. link

Note lack of the word "attractive" in what they look for.

Edited August 22, 2009 by American Woman

[Oleg Bach]

The person that suggests that rapists go for the person that is most attractive is in some possibiltity a potential rapist. Very telling....Rapists go after who the want to harm. It's not even a sexual issue - It is a brutal and pervers physical and emotional assault.

[Rue]

I'm curious about this last statement. Can you elaborate a bit more on this?

Are you talking about inappropriate sexual behaviour or sexual abuse by parents/older sibs?

Sorry I did not get back to you Tango and in retrospect given the direction this thread has turned I wish

I was not so tongue in cheek about it the first time.

You can check for yourself by going on google or yahoo and checking out studies and essays on

sexual abuse and their origins.

I did not mean to cloud the issues. Inappropriate sexual behaviour could but does not always include sexual abuse. Usually when the term inappropriate sexual behaviour is used, the context for it is using it as a POSSIBLE symptom of sexual abuse.

For example, if I see a 12 year old girl wearing very sexually provocative clothes and see her very physical with boys and/or girls it does not have to necessarily include actual sex acts to trigger off a warning sign and the use of that term and the term is not used to morally judge her but to suggest, if she is doing this at inopportune times it could be a symptom her unclear sense of physical boundaries and openess might and I say might have come about because in her environment she has grown up to live in an environment where such behaviour has become second nature to her.

Promiscuous children, not always, but sometimes come from homes where there are no limitations. Sometimes those limitations come about because of an absentee parent and the child searching say for the affirmation she never got from her father. It might be an attempt to get attention from her over-worked mother.

It may be the child has grown up completely neglected and picked up her sense of self and physical boundaries from the street and being exposed at an early age to aggressive men or boys who had their way with her.

Sometimes sexually inappropriate behaviour can be a 5 year old who constantly grab at their crotch or begin humping an object or acting out a sex act.

Its very dangerous to generalize or assume what it means but usually what it means is someone is noticing behaviour that deals with the child or person's sexuality in a public exhibition of some kind.

Some abused children don't appear sexual, just the opposite. They close down and try to look asexual and put on physical weight to make themselves unattractive. They may cut their hair or mutilate themselves.

Its a very complex subject with numerous symptoms, factors, possibilities.

However what we know about sexual assault is its not contrary to popular believe a freak one time spontaneous act act as some lawyers try suggest it is when defending rapists.

The rapist learned sometime in their life through a combination of their life experiences, external environmental factors, parents or lack of parents, peers, culture and society at large how to formulate their standards as to what is right and wrong. Rape is nothing more then using sex as a vehicle to impose one's will.

Contrary to popular believe no people do not rape simply because they lust. Of course not. Millions of men masterbate and do not rape for that reason. Not all men lose control of their urges. Simply having a sex urge does not mean this causes you to rape. Of course not. It is a lot more complicated then that.

A man who rapes has built up to that rape. He starts off by learning he can get away with not listening when someone says no and then be builds on that defiance in many experiences and interactions with humans before be builds up to rape.

That process can be accelerated if he comes from an evironment where there is a social break down say like in Somalia and there is no specific social structure any more. It is why in political conflict zones, rape comes with the guerilla wars and attacks and counter attacks by government soldiers.

Or it can be accelerated by watching fathers beat mothers or treat women in a violent manner. Yes gangs can accelerate it. Joing a gang releases social inhibitions and allows violent and other social behaviour to be more easily expressed through reinforcement from the gang.

Some rape is part of a hyper-sex drive in very specific cases of sexual deviants that can be related to hormonal, chromosonal or other biological factors but no its not that easy to say its caused by lust.

Any act of sex depends on opportune conditions yes.

There are certain rapists who stalk and are called predators. There are some who ordinarily are too inhibited to rape but when they drink or take drugs they can be come capable of it.

Often it is the case rapists are sexually impotent and unable to maintain intimate or constant healthy relationships with their peers.

So I did not want to mislead you or gernalize but I can tell you this-rape is a phenomena found in men and it probably relates to our testosterone more than anything else if we have to pin point one specific chemical.

Here is the point. The factors that make our skin colour different or the shape of our nose different have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the factors that make us genetically predisposed to violence including sexual behaviour.

Race as we use it to describe black people, Asian people, is a social construct based on non scientific stereotyping of what we see. What we see, i.e., the amount of pigment in our skin, the shape of our nose does not predetermine whether we are violent or rape-our gender might, the chemicals we are born with might.

It is absolute nonsense to suggest having dark pigment in skin causes someone to want to rape. Nonsense. Absolute piffle and I defer to any genetics scientist or medical doctor or psychiatrist to explain why.

What we are really talking about here is an attempt to construct black skinned people as a social construct to then define as having higher rates of rape then people with less melanin in their skin. That is what this discussion is about. Suggesting black skin or darker skin constitutes a way to differentiate humans and that differentiation is why people then rape.

No people rape not because of melanin in their skin but because of many factors. The people who choose to say it is because of the melanin in the skin, would have you believe black skinned people have different social

behavioural values then white skinned people.

The point is the lack of melanin does not dictate that difference in human behaviour and the very conditions that cause a person with dark skin to rape could cause a person with light skin to rape and that is what criminal statistics on rape or any other crime show.

I said it before I will say it again, it is absurd to suggest the tone of one's skin or the shape of their nose predisposes them to sexually deviant behaviour. That is a social construct created by the presupposition or preconception that having a different shaped nose or texture of hair makes us genetically different and it most certainly does not. Our traits as to skin colour do not make us genetically different-what they do is make people see a difference based on superficial physical characteristics not the relevant genetic characteristics in

determining our species.

Let's call it what it is. Black people rape because hint hint wink wink they do drugs and they have children out of wedlock and they never get married and they are sexually loose and provocative and blah blah blah...those are all subjectively perceived social constructs and those same constructs are why if you look at Statistcis Canada's crime stats you will see that black men are arrested and charged in numbers that are higher then any other people in Canada and what they show is the sheer number of charges makes black men simply want to plead out for time served rather than defend their innocence and remain in jail and this creates a vicious cycle because the next time they are stopped the police see a criminal conviction come up and the original criminal conviction may be based on nothing more then an innocent man who pleaded guilty to get out of jail.

That of course is never mentioned in the discussions of black men and crime.

The concept that black men want to rape white women let alone do it because they are black are

social constructs based on subjective assumptions about physical difference, no more, no less.

[Rue]

Already as stated and evidently, Argus is a White Nationalist who believes in the geographical and cultural separation of the races (specifically black in this case).

He will not respond in relation to this topic because he knows what his motives are.

What is the point of arguing with White Nationalists? Have we not argued with them enough? We have argued with them and won, time and time again. We have won so many arguements against them that we have completely discredited them, even in their own homelands.

Truly civilized people of all races know better.

No he is not. I vehemently disagree with this man and his theories but I must defend his integrity.

He is not a neo Nazi. He is not.

He genuinely believes what he says not because he hates black people and thinls they are inferior

but he really believes there is a difference between how people of races engage in human behaviour.

To go the next step and accuse him of hating certain races is a motive you and I should resist

assuming. Its one thing to say what he SAYS is racist or contains RACIST ideology, ore

accurately SUBJECTIVE ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT SCIENTIFIC BASIS, but going the next step

and calling him a neo Nazi and hate monger like the other individual who deliberately engages

in insulting remarks is not fair.

I detest his arguments and I would encourage you to as well but no we should not attack Argus the

person. He is not the kind of person that supports institutionalizing discriminatory laws against people

based on their skin colour or religion-just the exact opposite.

Its hard not to make the assumotion you did and I do not blame you but Argus deliberately provokes such

debates not to be hateful but because he genuinely believes he has a relevant point.

Hope that helps. I know I find myself peeved with this one and not just because its personal, but because

I have heard this kind of reasoning thousands of times used against Jews. Then again I know all women or

gays or other groups reading this have had their identities used as social constructs in this manner as well.

Hang in there and avoid going after Argus the person. Go after his words, not him. I will try hard to do the same.

Lol, I think I already slipped.

[Rue]

Here are some easier to understand articles on the subject I referred to for my previous comments.

May I also warn you that forensic psychiatry and forensic psychology as well as the profiling of people who engage in sexually deviant behaviour including sexual assault is extremely complex, constantly subject to new studies and

race may be used in geographic profiling of a potential rapist, the profiling of a rapist is NOT the same as establishing it is the race that caused the person to be a rapist.

The rate of rape around the world reported by legal jurisdictions where there are different races, in fact indicates the characteristics of rapists such as pedophile rapists, hebophile rapists, homosexual rapists, date rapists, serial

rapists remains consistent.

Studies unravelling the bio-chemical profiles of rapists are in their early stages and far from definitive although patterns are emerging in terms of hormonal and other chemical imbalances that would suggest they don't occur in just one race or are condensed in one race or make that race more genetically predisposed say like a black man is to high blood pressure.

More to the point if a black man can be said to be more predisposed to high blood pressure because he is black

such stereotypes are not meant to be definitive or absolute and they are used for positive not negative reasons.

http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/herstory/profile.html

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/Reports/sexoffnd.pdf

http://www.corpus-delicti.com/rape.html

http://rapesurvivor.pbworks.com/Rapists

http://www.bxscience.edu/publications/fore...es/f-psyc01.htm

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgu..._6.RAPIST1.html

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/conten...tract/133/6/694

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pi...165178104001106

[Rue]

Wow these last few pages are pretty ridiculous.

Fact is, all else being equal, a rapist is gonna go for the target they find most attractive (according to their own criteria, whatever they may be). Of course if the most attractive one is "not vulnerable" enough, then they'll find someone else. But given a choice between someone they find repulsive and someone they find "exciting" the result would be obvious..

Some things are just plain obvious truths that anyone should be able to see for themselves without a freaking study.

No what you consider a plain obvious truth may not be one at all and in fact require a freaking study precisely

to be able to repudiate what you think as a plain obvious truth and expose it as a baseless subjective assumption

you make based on your belief that a rapist is governed by a sense of what sexual attraction is let alone

the same one you use.

Yes this entire thread is ridiculous. It consists of people like you sharing your "plain obvious truths", which are

in fact not plain obvious truths but your subjective assumptions.

In fact profiling of rapists shows that only one kind of rapist stalks or choses his victims based on their

actual physical appearance.

No, what attracts a rapist to a victim is not whether he thinks they are sexy or not but many complicated

factors that could serve as stimuli.

In fact most rapists when interviewed were not sexually attracted to their victims-they did it because the victim was alone in a place that provided the opportunity and it was their beating the woman or taking control of her, not her

sexiness that aroused them. If anything rapists are not aroused by sexual attrativeness but by something else.

Do me a favour, before you dismiss scientific studies about forensic psychiatry and deem things obvious stop

and think. It may seem obvious to you because you don't have any reference point from which to base your truth

other then your own subjective opinion.

What makes a simpleton is someone who finds things simple.

Edited September 3, 2009 by Rue

[Rue]

....Rapists go after who the want to harm. It's not even a sexual issue - It is a brutal and pervers physical and emotional assault.

Yes Oleg that is precisely what the profiles and interviews of rapists has revealed.

It is also well known by those of us in the courts and who work with rapes based on what they tell us which is not scientific by any means I admit.

The sex is merely the vehicle to express the need to overpower, control and/or hurt.

You are dead on. A wierd man I might add, l.o.l., but dead on.

[Rue]

What I get is that youths are:

- selfish

- narcissistic

- violent

And they have nothing except what their parents offer to them.

What you have expressed is a social construct you created based on your subjective assumptions.

That is what you see because you set out to see it.

You could have easily set out to see altruistic, wonderful, well behaved youths.

The fact you only see negative and not positive, is because you choose not because

only bad youths exist.

What you do is precisely why I challenge this entire thread. It starts off with a social

construct that sets out to see black men as raping in a different manner then white men

or men raping women because they find them attractive.

It becomes a self-fullfilling belief for the person originating the assumption-they literally create the vision

they want to see, and so that is what they end up seeing.

[lictor616]

What you have expressed is a social construct you created based on your subjective assumptions.

That is what you see because you set out to see it.

You could have easily set out to see altruistic, wonderful, well behaved youths.

The fact you only see negative and not positive, is because you choose not because

only bad youths exist.

What you do is precisely why I challenge this entire thread. It starts off with a social

construct that sets out to see black men as raping in a different manner then white men

or men raping women because they find them attractive.

It becomes a self-fullfilling belief for the person originating the assumption-they literally create the vision

they want to see, and so that is what they end up seeing.

ah see crime stats, common sense, and having two eyes and a brain is now called "social construction"...

probably numbers are socially constructed too... do the vastly disproportionate rates of interracial rates are just our quirky "self fullflilling assumption" that numbers stand for numerical values...

in reality: 37 000 vs 10 is the same number...

wow do I feel enlightened now.

[Argus]

Yes Oleg that is precisely what the profiles and interviews of rapists has revealed.

It is also well known by those of us in the courts and who work with rapes based on what they tell us which is not scientific by any means I admit.

The sex is merely the vehicle to express the need to overpower, control and/or hurt.

You are dead on. A wierd man I might add, l.o.l., but dead on.

I'm sure that's the cause - sometimes. I'm equally sure that men rape women because they want to have sex with them - because they find them sexually desirable - and because they know they aren't going to be able to have sex with them any other way. I really don't understand the need you people have to dismiss the sexual motivation here. Sex is one of the primal human urges, and your belief that men don't rape merely to satisfy lust is ludicrous. I mean, do any of you even KNOW any men?

I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes

I have to turn my head until my darkness goes

[Rue]

I'm sure that's the cause - sometimes. I'm equally sure that men rape women because they want to have sex with them - because they find them sexually desirable - and because they know they aren't going to be able to have sex with them any other way. I really don't understand the need you people have to dismiss the sexual motivation here. Sex is one of the primal human urges, and your belief that men don't rape merely to satisfy lust is ludicrous. I mean, do any of you even KNOW any men?

I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes

I have to turn my head until my darkness goes

The point is you do not rape. That is the point I am making and you missed. Argus to tell you the truth my past work required I climb into the head of rapists.

Some like you say have a hyper sex drive. But that hyper sex drive you see in some rapists and pedophiles

(children) and hebophibes (teenagers) and other sexual deviants should not be confused with all rapists.

I would suprise you if I told you how many rapists will tell you they do not feel sexual lust or sexual when they

are raping someone.

What you are describing is one kind of rape that you may be mistaken is the same in all rapist minds.

The " I feel horny I must have sex now" impulse is but one drive. In fact most of the rapists I dealt with

had an impulse to hurt or control not have sex. The sex act was no different then pissing on someone or

punching someone. The arousal came from the violence, fear and the pain they inflicted not the smell or appearance of the women, etc.

That is the point I was making and no I do not want to generalize. Every rapist has a specific profile like a fingerprint and I am no forensic psychiatric expert so I would defer to a psychiatrist in that specialty to go into

details as to how they define each one's individual profile.

What I am referring to is general profiling and I said earlier it is constantly being perfected and is by no means full proof although today's computer programs allow thousands of factors to be built in and cross referenced to find common patterns of behaviour.

Then again an expert hand writing analyst can see a lot too in each individual rapist's traits.

[Rue]

ah see crime stats, common sense, and having two eyes and a brain is now called "social construction"...

probably numbers are socially constructed too... do the vastly disproportionate rates of interracial rates are just our quirky "self fullflilling assumption" that numbers stand for numerical values...

in reality: 37 000 vs 10 is the same number...

wow do I feel enlightened now.

Make no mistake with me. I know the difference between you and Argus. As much as I would

debate Argus until doomsday on this topic, I know he has no malice and he is making what he thinks is

a point and trying to discuss whether racial profiling is a valid method for tracking crime.

You on the other hand, took this as an opportunity to call black children apes and engage in the usual

neo Nazi race baiting. Don't play with me. You don't want to play with me.

You read what I wrote. If you disagree with it prove it wrong. The above does not explain how your definition of curly hair and big lips and flaired noses and skin pigment is not a subjective personal preference of yours, i.e., social

construct.

Oh I know you. You believe the world must acknowledge your subjective preferences as fact. In my world its called

sociopathic personality. You believe you can classify people according to whether you find them to your liking or not.

I know you quite well. In fact I probably am tempted to profile you right now. Move on. Converse with someone

else. Your using this thread to engage in white supremacist taunts has worn itself out.

[Oleg Bach]

A rapists has the same mind of a person that would beat the scull in of a homeless person with a tire iron. Does not matter if you are black or white - a preditor is a beast - We have corporate preditors in our midst - who rape our society daily and go on to rape internationally - yet we except these bastards and allow them to operate as beasts without restriction.

[Rue]

Do you really need a study to tell you that men go for women that they find attractive?

This isn't a study, but it is coming 'straight from the horses' mouth, so to speak:

A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts : 1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed . They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair . Women with short hair are not common targets. 2) The second thing men look for is clothing . They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly . Many of them carry scissors around specifically to cut clothing. 3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered. link

Note lack of the word "attractive" in what they look for.

This is what they have told me sitting across from the table. Sounds very familiar. Also they have told me

they look for women that look frightened and scared-they say they can sense it the way they walk and carrying themselves. I have sat across from men who will tell you they know certain women they will not pick out because

they think they will be more likely to fend them off or scream. Its a subjective value they get. I say that but do not mean it to say a woman is to blame if she doesn't walk all angry like or confident.

As you and every other woman on this planet is well aware they also will look for woman at opportune places, i.e., Yorl University in Toronto, parking lots, places where women will be alone and can scream and no one will hear-I once

prevented a rape at a well known hospital. Women in the hospital came to be and reported an employer and how he had raped an cleaning woman who was an illegal Portugese immigrant and could speak no English nor would she

go to the police fearing they would deport her. I studied that sob's habits because I was representing a client he was sexually harassing. To make a long story short, he used the lay out of the hospital to know when stalk a woman and when she would be alone and when it would be dark and isolated.

Only this time when he stalked my client and snuck up to her from behind in the parking lot at 5.30 a.m. one morning some of us were waiting and I will not disuss the rest other then to say I have taken an oath to uphold the law and I will leave it at that and what happened next.

The point is as you point out, its about opportunity and about variables and factors that often have nothing to do with sexual attractiveness and everything to do with timing and things such as you have described.

This is not a world I work in any more except as a volunteer. After years of it, it does a number on you and its time to walk away otherwise you see it in every dark corner of the city. Urban geography is a huge factor in certain crimes such as rape. Lighting and the structure of roads and buildings are today crucial factors in reducing premises liability exposures including rape and non sexual crimes of assault adn robbery.

[Oleg Bach]

Yes Oleg that is precisely what the profiles and interviews of rapists has revealed.

It is also well known by those of us in the courts and who work with rapes based on what they tell us which is not scientific by any means I admit.

The sex is merely the vehicle to express the need to overpower, control and/or hurt.

You are dead on. A wierd man I might add, l.o.l., but dead on.

Not wierd - just not overly conditioned or proceessed. Also; I am not generational - never was part of any educational institution - nor did I ever have a real regular job - just did what I pleased - stubborn I suppose..My youngest son asked me the other day - "How old were you when your parents stopped trying to control you?" - I thought about it and surprisingly - I can't remember being controlled or resticted or supervised...I guess I was a wolf baby of sorts.

As for the courts - You folks keep releasing people that bring harm almost immediately to society..why is that? I could swear that you have tacit policies that come from on high by the small group that appoints judges...a policy of harrassment that keeps the populace fearful and easy to control..that's a problem you have to fix at your end. You release crazy people ---almost as if on purpose - a friend of mine who is a female honours grad - was randomly stabbed about a year ago at a bus stop..by a crazed Iranian immigrant that had done the same thing to another woman he assumed was Iranian intelligence spying on him - he was and is clearly nuts - and the courts let him go twice ---the poor woman has had repeated hernia surgery - this beautiful and bright girl has trouble keeping her internal organs contained ---

AND she can not sue the government or the mental health "experts" that released this monster ------------I looked at the scars - at least five knife wounds - defensive scars on her fingers - and a huge scar on her forearm - where she gave the attacker a hard blow to the face - and was gashed during the repelling action ----she is almost a ruined person - but she carries on -------------------WHY IS SHE NOT TAKEN CARE OF AND WHY DOES THE STATE NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR RELEASING THIS MONSTER THAT RAPED HER NOT WITH HIS PENIS BUT WITH A HUNTING KNIFE?

[Argus]

The point is you do not rape. That is the point I am making and you missed. Argus to tell you the truth my past work required I climb into the head of rapists.

Some like you say have a hyper sex drive. But that hyper sex drive you see in some rapists and pedophiles

(children) and hebophibes (teenagers) and other sexual deviants should not be confused with all rapists.

Wouldn't someone who has a hyper sex drive be more, for want of a better word, desperate for sex, and thus driven to extreme behaviour in an effort to get it? BTW, my understanding is hebephiles are not considered to be deviants at all unless their predeliction for teenagers is obsessive.

I would suprise you if I told you how many rapists will tell you they do not feel sexual lust or sexual when they are raping someone.

I would be surprised, to be honest. If that's not at least a major factor in their motivation, then are these people diagnosable with some other psychological condition?

What you are describing is one kind of rape that you may be mistaken is the same in all rapist minds.

I acknowledge there are psychologically disturbed individuals out there capable of anything. I would not even attempt to guess their motivation. I'm speaking more of, for want of a better term, "normal" men who rape, ie, the kind who wants money, so knocks over a corner store, or hits someone in the head and steals their wallet, or beats up little old ladies to get their purse. I would not imagine such people would face any ethical dilemma in "stealing" sex, and using violence to do so.

The " I feel horny I must have sex now" impulse is but one drive. In fact most of the rapists I dealt with had an impulse to hurt or control not have sex.

Then why not simply beat someone up, or terrorize and humiliate them in other ways? I never seem to read of individuals with this motivation attacking people on the streets without raping or robbing them.

What I am referring to is general profiling and I said earlier it is constantly being perfected and is by no means full proof although today's computer programs allow thousands of factors to be built in and cross referenced to find common patterns of behaviour.

As I said, I have no doubt there are some sick puppies out there who commit rape merely because they want to feel powerful, want to degrade and humiliate women. I believe though, that the class of rapists you might best describe as "thugs" are still motivated by sexual attraction.