Canadian Ship Building Deal Reached

[bush_cheney2004]

So does Halifax. The Iruois can do 29knts, and the Halifax can do 29+.

You two are making no sense. The proposal is to build 15 ships which are larger than the Halifax class and are more capable. The Halifax is already larger than the current destroyer. i think you both deserve one of these:

Not looking for a fight here.....Iroquois packs more capability in a similar sized hull / displacement. That's all me be saying. Clearly hearts have been broken in the past.....one can only hope.

[M.Dancer]

Please Sir, Could I 'ave one of these instead?

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operations-and...-45-destroyers/

[bush_cheney2004]

Please Sir, Could I 'ave one of these instead?

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operations-and...-45-destroyers/

Very nice...note how the displacement is creeping up. The new Zumwalt Class destroyer will be the size of a heavy cruiser, except that Obama will likely sink it !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt_(DDG-1000)

[M.Dancer]

Very nice...note how the displacement is creeping up. The new Zumwalt Class destroyer will be the size of a heavy cruiser, except that Obama will likely sink it !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt_(DDG-1000)

I would prefer we have something like the British. Or even a few used A. Burkes...

[bush_cheney2004]

I would prefer we have something like the British. Or even a few used A. Burkes...

No! Canada needs to design and build these to step back from the abyss. Nobody wants to needle gun a bulkhead for painting only to see, "Kilroy Was Here".....or "Go Mets!".

[Smallc]

Like I said, I'll leave navy planning tot he navy people. You guy can go play with your toy boats....and rubber ducks.

[bush_cheney2004]

Like I said, I'll leave navy planning tot he navy people. You guy can go play with your toy boats....and rubber ducks.

We already have....have you ever deployed on a tin can?

[Argus]

At least they didn't sell the heavy lift helicopters like the Tories did.

That was the Liberal Light party, and they sold them presuming new ones were coming - which you guys cancelled.

[jdobbin]

That was the Liberal Light party, and they sold them presuming new ones were coming - which you guys cancelled.

I'm afraid you are wrong. Mulroney sold them to the Dutch who are using them in Afghanistan. We have gone over this before.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/on-the...icopters-02390/

Back in 1991, Canada’s Mulroney government sold the country’s CH-47 Chinook medium-lift helicopter fleet to the Dutch. They cost a lot to maintain and operate, and Canada didn’t need them anyway. Or so they thought. Fast forward to 2002, then 2006. Canada has had boots on the ground in Afghanistan for several years now, but doesn’t have any helicopters capable of operating in the hot and/or high-altitude environment of southern Afghanistan. Its CH-146 Griffons (Bell 412s) can’t carry useful loads in that environment, its ancient CH-124 Sea Kings are falling apart, its CH-148 Cyclones (H-92 Superhawks) are ordered but not yet manufactured, and its 14 new search-and-rescue CH-149 Cormorants are few in number, are based on the EH101’s civil model rather than its military model, and were consuming spares at a torrid rate before suffering through a fleet-wide grounding period due to maintenance & safety issues. To support its 2,000 or so troops in Afghanistan, Canada has to rely on favors from US, British, Australian, Polish, and – irony of ironies – Dutch pilots flying CH-47 Chinooks.

[cybercoma]

I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I thought I would put it here.

I guess as the CPC vacillating on the F-35 deal, we're in the weeds on our destroyers. The NDP when Jack Layton was around were pushing for ships, rather than jets. Now it's too late, apparently.

Canada's navy will have to do more with less in a few years as internal documents and Defence Department insiders have confirmed the country's aging fleet of destroyers will be retired before replacements are ready.

Read the rest: http://bit.ly/KO7ceq

[Wilber]

Very nice...note how the displacement is creeping up. The new Zumwalt Class destroyer will be the size of a heavy cruiser, except that Obama will likely sink it !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt_(DDG-1000)

A 14,000 ton destroyer? When does a ship stop being a destroyer?

[Guest Derek L]

I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I thought I would put it here.

I guess as the CPC vacillating on the F-35 deal, we're in the weeds on our destroyers. The NDP when Jack Layton was around were pushing for ships, rather than jets. Now it's too late, apparently.

They should have started looking at replacements for the 280s in the late 80s instead of the lacklustre TRUMP refit………Again Canadian penny pinching……..The AOR’s are even older, have steam plants and are single hull tankers that are already having restrictions placed upon entry to foreign ports………As to the late Mr Layton, his referral to replacing ships (last Spring) were the AOR’s

As to the lifespan of both classes of ships and remaining service life, it ultimately depends on how long until we get replacements and usage…….Of the original four Destroyers, Huron (Never worked right post TRUMP) was retired years ago (and sunk in a SINKEX) and the remaining three, they won’t be upgraded to accept the Cyclone’s (Sea King replacement) and two of our current Frigates (Calgary & Halifax) are being upgraded during the FELEX program to replace the 280s Task Group Command functions…….But if the 280s are retried prior to their replacements being commissioned, we most certainly will have a “capability holiday” in terms of area air defence……..Not a very nice prospect working in the Persian Gulf.

[Guest Derek L]

A 14,000 ton destroyer? When does a ship stop being a destroyer?

There’s no clear definition……..The Americans changed the classification of several classes of Destroyers to Cruisers for pure PR purposes during the Soviet build-up………..

A modern Destroyer (Like the American Burke class) are already the size of a World War 1 Battleship…..

[bush_cheney2004]

...A modern Destroyer (Like the American Burke class) are already the size of a World War 1 Battleship…..

You mean like this?

[Guest Derek L]

You mean like this?

You bet…….Personally, we should have purchased the Kidds when offered in the 80s and never TRUMPed the 280s……..The replaced the 280s with Burkes in the late 90s……….But of course, that would only have made sense….

[bleeding heart]

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Edited June 21, 2012 by bleeding heart