punked Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 But I can still contract fire protection, and do for a lake cabin ("cottage" in Canuckspeak). Private toll roads and bridges also exist. Health care professionals are not state slaves. No wonder Canuck doctors and nurses flee south. Under the new health care reform you will be able to pay private insurance too. Your utopian world rests rests upon the capital and sweat of economic growth, not communism. Sudan is the free market all the way. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Under the new health care reform you will be able to pay private insurance too. No kidding...it will be mandated. That's why Congress is squirming. Sudan is the free market all the way. But they can fly to the USA for MRIs just like Canadians. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Posted July 22, 2009 There was plenty of an up hill fight for Tommy Douglas and the CCF at the time too but they did it. Guess what? People were so happy that the Liberals federally stole it pushed it threw and the rest is history. Polls will come and go in next two days I bet their is another poll that says 75% of the people believe health care should be reformed tomorrow. This has to go threw and it will. There is too much of a push for it. It is happening, your guys will do their best to make sure it is watered down but when the Health care lobby has 2 million to spend a day on fighting it they really paint themselves into a corner. Either they are making too much and have money to throw around, or this is really scaring them. If you don't put much value on polls, that's fine. But you're the one who originally cited a poll. So maybe you need to discuss things with yourself, and decide whether they're valuable or not. Perhaps they're only relevant when they only strengthen your agrument? Anyways, on to fun facts about Tom Douglas... 1. He advocates for compulsory certificates of "mental and physical fitness." 2. He advocates for a 7 day public notice before marrying. 3. He advocates for putting "defectives" on a state farm, or in a colony where decisions could be made for them by a competent supervisor. 4. And his piece de resistance, sterilization of the mentally and physically defective. "The subnormal family presents the most appalling of all family problems. "Because this class tend to intermarry... the second and third generations are nearly always worse than the first. The result is an ever increasing number of morons and imbeciles who continue to be a charge upon society." -- Tommy Douglas "Sterilization of the mentally and physically defective has long been advocated, but only recently has it seeped into the public consciousness. From the day when Plato wrote his Republic to the present, eugenists have advanced various solutions to the problem of the defective, but sterilization seems to meet the requirements of the situation most aptly." -- Tommy Douglas He is...the greatest Canadian. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 He is...the greatest Canadian. Holy shit...that is the strangest part of all. No wonder the RCMP followed his ass for more than 30 years. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 If you don't put much value on polls, that's fine. But you're the one who originally cited a poll. So maybe you need to discuss things with yourself, and decide whether they're valuable or not. Perhaps they're only relevant when they only strengthen your agrument?Anyways, on to fun facts about Tom Douglas... 1. He advocates for compulsory certificates of "mental and physical fitness." 2. He advocates for a 7 day public notice before marrying. 3. He advocates for putting "defectives" on a state farm, or in a colony where decisions could be made for them by a competent supervisor. 4. And his piece de resistance, sterilization of the mentally and physically defective. "The subnormal family presents the most appalling of all family problems. "Because this class tend to intermarry... the second and third generations are nearly always worse than the first. The result is an ever increasing number of morons and imbeciles who continue to be a charge upon society." -- Tommy Douglas "Sterilization of the mentally and physically defective has long been advocated, but only recently has it seeped into the public consciousness. From the day when Plato wrote his Republic to the present, eugenists have advanced various solutions to the problem of the defective, but sterilization seems to meet the requirements of the situation most aptly." -- Tommy Douglas He is...the greatest Canadian. You guys keep bringing it up and I keep knocking it down. There was only two governments that sterilized people in Canada. The Liberals in BC, and the United Farmers (who went to become the Social Creds who went to be the reform, who went to be the Conservatives) in Alberta. Although the CCF did bring the legislation to Tommy twice both times shot it down saying "these are the people who need our help the most and I intend on giving it too them." He then went to make sure that the mentally ill were the first to get space in treatment facilities, under his new Medicare, and funded things other provinces neglected. Yah that is our greatest Canadian. I noticed you forgot Winston Churchill's statements about eugenics, and Teddy Roosevelt's as well? You don't like them either? Quote
Shady Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Posted July 22, 2009 Although the CCF did bring the legislation to Tommy twice both times shot it down Yeah, he shot them down after seeing what type of evil his kind of theories could lead to (ie Nazi Germany). You don't get props for being sane. I noticed you forgot Winston Churchill's statements about eugenics, and Teddy Roosevelt's as well? You don't like them either? Which statements? Quote
punked Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Yeah, he shot them down after seeing what type of evil his kind of theories could lead to (ie Nazi Germany). You don't get props for being sane. Yeah while 22 states and 2 provinces were passing the legislation, Tommy was showing he felt it was wrong. I think he gets props for that. Which statements? "the multiplication of the feeble minded is a very dangerous thing to the Human race"-Chruchill as a delegate of the First conference on eugenics 1912 "Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind.... Some day we will realize that the prime duty, the inescapable duty of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his blood behind him in the world, and that we have no business to perpetuate citizens of the wrong type."-Teddy Roosevelt History is a funny thing you remember Tommy's dabble in eugenics but you forget Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt. I wonder why that is? Quote
Shady Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Posted July 22, 2009 Yeah while 22 states and 2 provinces were passing the legislation Yep. The leftwingers were definitely on the march at the time. Tommy was showing he felt it was wrong. I think he gets props for that. Did he ever specifically say he was wrong? It'd be nice if he apologized for such an abhorrent opinion. "the multiplication of the feeble minded is a very dangerous thing to the Human race"-Chruchill as a delegate of the First conference on eugenics 1912"Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind.... Some day we will realize that the prime duty, the inescapable duty of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his blood behind him in the world, and that we have no business to perpetuate citizens of the wrong type."-Teddy Roosevelt History is a funny thing you remember Tommy's dabble in eugenics but you forget Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt. I wonder why that is? Any similar views of Tom Douglas, held by anyone else, no matter who, is equally despicable. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 ....History is a funny thing you remember Tommy's dabble in eugenics but you forget Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt. I wonder why that is? Because Tommy was a Commie...that's why. RCMP was tracking him until death. Eugenics....Sterilization....Death Camps.....Yikes! Scary dude! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Yep. The leftwingers were definitely on the march at the time. Most of those were in Conservative states. It was in Alberta the party who went on to be the Soc creds who did it there. Did he ever specifically say he was wrong? It'd be nice if he apologized for such an abhorrent opinion. He did you one better. He actually took care of those he once said should be sterilized. I am sure those who were taken care of were happy about it. Any similar views of Tom Douglas, held by anyone else, no matter who, is equally despicable. At least one can not call you hypocrite so question why did Bush's Dad government fund sterilization programs in Mexico? Quote
punked Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Because Tommy was a Commie...that's why. RCMP was tracking him until death. Eugenics....Sterilization....Death Camps.....Yikes! Scary dude! Scary words all of which apply to Bush and his family history. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Scary words all of which apply to Bush and his family history. Irrelevant.....Tommy Douglas went them one better.....COMMUNIST! God...not that! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Irrelevant.....Tommy Douglas went them one better.....COMMUNIST! God...not that! Tommy was never a Communist, in fact the CCF weeded out the Commies in the 40s. History seems to escape you. I know republicans are ones to rewrite history to make themselves look good but are now just being silly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Tommy was never a Communist, in fact the CCF weeded out the Commies in the 40s. History seems to escape you. I know republicans are ones to rewrite history to make themselves look good but are now just being silly. I don't beleive your commie lies. RCMP says he was a commie, so it must be true. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 I don't beleive your commie lies. RCMP says he was a commie, so it must be true. "Setting people to spy on one another is not the way to protect freedom." — Tommy Douglas Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 "Setting people to spy on one another is not the way to protect freedom." — Tommy Douglas Especially if they might discover your commie ways! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Especially if they might discover your commie ways! But they didn't....................I wonder why? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 But they didn't....................I wonder why? Because commies are sneaky like that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Because commies are sneaky like that. Like that Bush guy you know he nationalized more private companies than Hugo Chavez? Communist everywhere Canada the US. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Like that Bush guy you know he nationalized more private companies than Hugo Chavez? Communist everywhere Canada the US. Was Douglas ever PM...nope....Commies can't become PM. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Was Douglas ever PM...nope....Commies can't become PM. What about Trudeau? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 What about Trudeau? Trudeau wasn't a commie.....he was a Catholic. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Trudeau wasn't a commie.....he was a Catholic. and former member of the CCF Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 and former member of the CCF CCF is defunct. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 CCF is defunct. No they joined with Labour to create the now NDP. Quote
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