Hate Crime in Courtenay, BC

[benny]

Many Prince George native indians are pretty dumb, violent and ugly. Too much inbreeding.

How about the dogs living there!?

[DogOnPorch]

How about the dogs living there!?

Thinking of picking-up a wife?

[benny]

Thinking of picking-up a wife?

And you!?

[kimmy]

I'm having a hard time making replies in this thread. I'm getting a 403 Forbidden error. Is it just me?

-k

Edited August 2, 2009 by kimmy

[kimmy]

Considering that I never said, or thought, that there is a wave of white racist attacks against Blacks in this country, you'll excuse me while I laugh.

You haven't been making that argument, but others (Griz, Tango, Strangles...) certainly want to create this idea of a Canada where whites are beating down minorities. I think they're wrong.

Interesting by the way, how some people hate to hear about the fact that groups where there is a higher rate of criminals are also usually the poorest. Nope, cannot say a thing about that.

I can certainly agree that some of this might be explained by violence committed during an attempt to rob or steal. But do you feel comfortable attributing the whole thing to that explanation? I mean, when I first mentioned that stat, that wasn't your initial reaction (you said "lack of paternal model").

could it be because the conclusion that is sought is not only that proportionnaly more crimes are committed by members of certain groups, but also that members of those groups are criminals by definition?.

Who are criminals by definition?!

-k

[benny]

Who are criminals by definition?!

The stigmatized.

[kimmy]

Being a bit of a devil's advocate here, I'm not perpetuating a notion that all whites are / were racist, but if racism (and i don't mean just white racism, but all racism) didn't exist, then what's all this about....?

(...)

and so on...and so forth.....

Racism is deeply entrenched in the human psyche and needs to exorcised. Racism, discrimination, intolerance and bigotry need to be pointed out and chastised before they can manifest themselves through the bowels of our society.

White racism, black racism, whatever ugly form it takes, all needs to be repelled one way or another.

Sites such as Stormfront need to be ridiculed for the garbage they perpetuate. People on them need to be pointed out and ridiculed.

It's never been my claim that racism doesn't exist, or that racial violence isn't a historical fact.

However, I don't believe that racial attacks by whites are common at all, and I believe that this incident in Courtenay became sensationalized precisely for that reason.

I also believe that people have seized on the incident in an attempt to further their own personal agenda, and to falsely claim that it represents some great trend in Canadian society that simply isn't real.

Contrast that with this incident... http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/200...gan-school.html

...we know that the attackers in that incident were black and the victim was white, because the families of the accused howled that their children were targets of racism. The police went out of their way to downplay any racial element to the story. The CBC report on the guilty pleas makes no mention at all of race, and the only reason we knew about the racial aspect of the story at all is that the parents of the accused made an issue of it.

16 black kids sexually assault and terrorize a white girl at a school over a span of 18 months, and nobody will utter a peep about that except for the parents crying "racism!" Three yokels yell insults and attack a black man in a parking lot, and it's national headline news. Don't you think there's a discrepancy there that deserves to be discussed?

-k

Edited August 2, 2009 by kimmy

[benny]

16 black kids sexually assault and terrorize a white girl at a school over a span of 18 months, and nobody will utter a peep about that except for the parents crying "racism!" Three yokels yell insults and attack a black man in a parking lot, and it's national headline news. Don't you think there's a discrepancy there that deserves to be discussed?

-k

Schools are supervised much more closely than streets and parkings.

[Griz]

When your ancestors came off the boat they not only smelled like pee and poop but there were only handfuls of them. Some of them showed up in prison camps for the railroad. Then they inbred creating mixed up Canadian mutts like Dog, lictor etc etc

Many Prince George native indians are pretty dumb, violent and ugly. Too much inbreeding.

[kimmy]

What about all those smaller-type communties in Northern BC who have the reputation to be rednecky? How common do you think it is for natives to get jumped by a bunch of arse-holes like the incident in Courtenay? What was captured on tape is only a fraction of what really happens out there.

Reputation is hot air, gossip, stories.

I have hot air, gossip, stories too. What I hear is that in Western Canada, natives do a lot more "pitching" than "catching". I've personally been shoved and verbally abused by groups of natives while walking on Edmonton streets. A relative teaches in far northern Alberta, and states that the school staff are regularly threatened by native students and native parents. In Edmonton, people know to avoid north-end transit stations after dark...

You never even responded to my point about the Highway of Tears?

I did, actually. I said that if the disappearances of these women were hate crimes, I'd have expected all of the victims to be native. They're not.

I'd suggest that these disappeared women are disproportionately native for the same reason that the vanished women of Vancouver's Downtown East Side are disproportionately native. These are crimes of opportunity, and for social-economic reasons that we're all aware of, native women are much more likely to be victims of opportunity.

Go live in those small towns or bigger places like Prince George or Ft ST John where hatred towards minorities like indians is common-place. Even with seemingly average white folks like cops, teachers and judges, their attitudes are like Lictor: "We've done you indians one great big favour by showing up in a boat!" . Talk to some native kid who has gone to public schools in places like PG. Watch the movie "Conspiracy of Silence," or, "Cowboys and Indians," to get a better idea of what it is truly like. If this wasn't captured on tape, those guys would've went on to find someone else to beat-up for their cheap little "Im a big tough guy and this is white town so get out thrill."

I don't think whites are going around attacking natives. On the prairies, white people are scared to even look at natives in case they've accidentally bumped into a group of Redd Alert members.

-k

[benny]

Look at Peter Lockheed for example, not so long ago, no white man can wield power in western Canada without marring a native.

[kimmy]

98,301 Whites reported being raped by Whites

So a white woman is 3 times more likely to be raped by a white man than by a black man.

I'm losing track of your point, as it appears to me that yours and kimmy's stats both show that the major conclusion is a preponderance of white on white crime.

If you're concluding that inter-racial crime is actually rare and this wave of white hate attacks is complete fiction, then congratulations.

But we were talking about interracial crime. The ice floes, remember?

If we're putting people who can't play nicely with other groups on their own little ice-floe ...

...well, for every two people on the white-people ice floe, there would be 15 people on the black people ice floe.

-k

[benny]

If you're concluding that inter-racial crime is actually rare and this wave of white hate attacks is complete fiction, then congratulations.

But we were talking about interracial crime. The ice floes, remember?

If we're putting people who can't play nicely with other groups on their own little ice-floe ...

...well, for every two people on the white-people ice floe, there would be 15 people on the black people ice floe.

-k

Be a slave for a couple of centuries and then come back for such statistic analysis.

[Griz]

Reputation is hot air, gossip, stories.

I have hot air, gossip, stories too. What I hear is that in Western Canada, natives do a lot more "pitching" than "catching". I've personally been shoved and verbally abused by groups of natives while walking on Edmonton streets. A relative teaches in far northern Alberta, and states that the school staff are regularly threatened by native students and native parents. In Edmonton, people know to avoid north-end transit stations after dark...

-k

Many non-natives threaten teachers and staff too, especially at the High Shool level. Many citizens do not walk the city streets at night because of other gangs as well. I think some people in smaller communities of the north are bit sensitive about the redneck label. After all, why should they be subject to sweeping generalizations? Only First Nations people are suppose to be the ones who take all those nasy generalizations.

[benny]

Many non-natives threaten teachers and staff too, especially at the High Shool level. Many citizens do not walk the city streets at night because of other gangs as well. I think some people in smaller communities of the north are bit sensitive about the redneck label. After all, why should they be subject to sweeping generalizations? Only First Nations people are suppose to be the ones who take all those nasy generalizations.

Spoiled kids can resort to violence (acting out) as a way to get rid momentarily of their bad conscience.

[Cato]

Who are criminals by definition?!

For example members of a criminal organization, like the Hells' Angels, the RCMP, the Banditos, the Federal Liberals, etc.

[Oleg Bach]

The white on white crime is probably common assaults - thefts etc..by "white trashers" I am sure that these are not the most intense of crimes..where as asian on asian or black on black - are usually murder - extortion - etc..less statistically and seemingly more - I would rather have a thousand white drunks bopping each other in the nose at the local bar - than one black or asian firing off a semi-auto pistol indiscrimately settling an honour, drug or money score. Most crimes that bug you privledged Anglos the most are crimes against property _ stuff crimes..material offences..seeing under old British property law..a person got more time for stealing a loaf of bread from a rich mans door step than for killing another beggar. Crime in British Columbia should not be taken seriously - most of it is rural envolving natives - or pale face herion addicts in the worst parts of Vancouver..that's the usual stuff...What you should worry about is imported Asian crime or the influx of black gangs - who left Toronto because of crimes committed...you know - "being on the lamb on the west coast...Forget the white on white thing - in time the Asians will grow rich and run for public office - then that is when your privledge ends - that day will come as it does everywhere else.

[DogOnPorch]

When your ancestors came off the boat they not only smelled like pee and poop but there were only handfuls of them. Some of them showed up in prison camps for the railroad. Then they inbred creating mixed up Canadian mutts like Dog, lictor etc etc

When the Carrier weren't busy being the Haida's slaves, they were busy mating with each-other as none of the other tribes would have them. Inbreeding, unfortunately for the Carrier, doesn't bring out the best attributes in a people (see the Royal Families of Europe). Other tribes had much more intermingling of bloodlines with other tribes and don't exhibit the common Carrier phenotypical traits. Sorry...they're a butt-ugly bunch as a group. If you're one...my condolences.

Edited August 2, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[Oleg Bach]

When the Carrier weren't busy being the Haida's slaves, they were busy mating with each-other as none of the other tribes would have them. Inbreeding, unfortuneately for the Carrier, doesn't bring out the best attributes in a people (see the Royal Families of Europe). Other tribes had much more intermingling of bloodlines with other tribes and don't exhibit the common Carrier phenotypical traits. Sorry...they're a butt-ugly bunch as a group. If you're one...my condolances.

Had a public school teacher, He taught in the North West Territories during the 50s - He would stand at the head of the class back in grade 8 and tell us "When you mix the races you get the worst qualities from each race emerging in the offspring" ---- well that was very hypocritical on his part seeing he was a Catholic who mated with a native woman and had 9 children..as I grew older I noticed that with most mixes..it was not the worst the emerged but the best qualities - I saw people that were of mixed race who were beautiful and bright - then I knew this teacher was wrong.

Look at some of the elite clubs - Like the Canadian Institute of International Affairs - all Anglos - all buck toothed nerds who would not even dare breed with a slavonic like myself, I was white but in their minds _ I was another race - even my kids grandmother on the mothers side -- would say to my wife.."I can't except them- they are another breed" _ My kids were good looking - blonde - talented and of above average intelligence...now the matter of inbreeding for instance that takes place in the Jewish community - because of their laws and racists attitude - their damned brains are smaller....I swear they have bred themselves into stupidity - If they were so smart they would not have problems - they would have sloved them...okay that's a bit anti-shemetic I suppose...Now take the Ukranians for instance - My mothers side of the family - they have norse - judiac - Islamic and asian etc..and they are a very bright race..every tribe on the planet passed though the Ukraine..and bred with the locals...

Where as Germanics and Polish slavs...well they are block heads and not very pretty....... Nothing worse than to sit by a dumb old German lady on the subway who goes into a tissy because some black kid put his feet on the seat....

[DogOnPorch]

..it was not the worst the emerged but the best qualities - I saw people that were of mixed race who were beautiful and bright - then I knew this teacher was wrong.

It is indeed a good thing to expand yea olde gene pool.

[Oleg Bach]

It is indeed a good thing to expand yea olde gene pool.

Damn right - mix it up baby --- but she had better be of good quality ...or he had better be of qood quality ---My mother was a Russian racist - she toured with her band to Detroit - then finally she met for the first time an upscale older black man - she adored him...as for me ---My first and only music teacher was a black gosspel lady - they were the only black family for a 50 miles in all directions - and as a kid when I played with Marvin - he was not black - he was just Marvin. But his sister was butt ugly...ooops - here comes Bush Cheney again to defend the expanded clan...blacks have clans too don't they - no not that kind...I am getting myself in trouble here - I feel another banishment coming on.

[Cato]

I noticed that with most mixes..it was not the worst the emerged but the best qualities - I saw people that were of mixed race who were beautiful and bright - then I knew this teacher was wrong

What you deem "best" or "worst" or "beautiful" are not natural qualities; they are in the eye of beholder. These characteristics don't have any "priority" in the genes.

now the matter of inbreeding for instance that takes place in the Jewish community - because of their laws and racists attitude - their damned brains are smaller....I swear they have bred themselves into stupidity

Most of those Jews you meet are Ashkenazic Jews. It is pretty much a matter of fact, that they are intellectually above average.

Now take the Ukranians for instance - My mothers side of the family - they have norse - judiac - Islamic and asian etc..and they are a very bright race

If so, then you must be the exception.

Nothing worse than to sit by a dumb old German lady on the subway who goes into a tissy because some black kid put his feet on the seat

I fully agree with the dumb old German lady, that people should not put their feet on the public seats, neither black kids, not white adults.

[lictor616]

Had a public school teacher, He taught in the North West Territories during the 50s - He would stand at the head of the class back in grade 8 and tell us "When you mix the races you get the worst qualities from each race emerging in the offspring" ---- well that was very hypocritical on his part seeing he was a Catholic who mated with a native woman and had 9 children..as I grew older I noticed that with most mixes..it was not the worst the emerged but the best qualities - I saw people that were of mixed race who were beautiful and bright - then I knew this teacher was wrong.

that's nothing but the sheerest nonsense, mixed race children are now superior forms of life ... they form a super race? please...

[Oleg Bach]

Eye of the beholder? Don't think so - with the mix you sometimes get what you call the "golden child" a casting director that I knew - who was your classic Nordic blonde - had children with her boyfriend assistant - a black man..this man appeared to be of royal black lineage..he was strong..handsome - intelligent - HE was not your average person..and the child that was produced was exceptional also...take a weak white person...intellectually and physically - breed them with a black person of the same genetic level -

It's a fact you are not going to come up with high quality human stock..So it really does not have much to do with race..it's the individual..for instance I believe environmental issues - and educational levels do not create superiour human beings - IF for instance an Anglo family that has been prone to crimminality and violence - for generations cross breeds with the same - you are going to get the same -

It's genetic and chemical to a degree - combine that with the values that these families carry you are going to get more jerks...I am not promoting eugenics..just stating the fact - for instance if a couple marry and breed not in love - but for other reasons - such as status - material gain etc - you can get yourself some real monsters - the devine spark that is love is important when breeding --- Look at the Christ figure - Immaculate conception was the conception of Christs' mother - a concept that was unblemished and done in love - created a very bright and good child that changed the world.

[lictor616]

Eye of the beholder? Don't think so - with the mix you sometimes get what you call the "golden child" a casting director that I knew - who was your classic Nordic blonde - had children with her boyfriend assistant - a black man..this man appeared to be of royal black lineage..he was strong..handsome - intelligent - HE was not your average person..and the child that was produced was exceptional also...take a weak white person...intellectually and physically - breed them with a black person of the same genetic level -

It's a fact you are not going to come up with high quality human stock..So it really does not have much to do with race..it's the individual..for instance I believe environmental issues - and educational levels do not create superiour human beings - IF for instance an Anglo family that has been prone to crimminality and violence - for generations cross breeds with the same - you are going to get the same -

It's genetic and chemical to a degree - combine that with the values that these families carry you are going to get more jerks...I am not promoting eugenics..just stating the fact - for instance if a couple marry and breed not in love - but for other reasons - such as status - material gain etc - you can get yourself some real monsters - the devine spark that is love is important when breeding --- Look at the Christ figure - Immaculate conception was the conception of Christs' mother - a concept that was unblemished and done in love - created a very bright and good child that changed the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNt6zconGZ0

here's a example of the beauty of racial mixing...