Michael Ignatieff in Hamilton

[Cameron]

This has my blood boiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"We built this country"

"We are the natural governing party in Canada"

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I don't know what to say...I'm shaking I'm so pissed off at those remarks...

Edited May 26, 2009 by Cameron

[jdobbin]

I don't know what to say...I'm shaking I'm so pissed off at those remarks...

Guess it means you are voting Tory, right?

[Cameron]

Now it's 100%.

[jdobbin]

Now it's 100%.

Have you voted any party other Tory?

[Cameron]

Voted Liberal once...but comments like that just irk me. I knew it was under the surface, but he just brings it to the light.

"We build this country"

Arrogant, arrogant, arrogant.

A country that he was away from for MANY years.

People like my grandparents built this country.

Dippers, Grits and Tory's built this country.

NOT JUST THE LIBERALS.

[waldo]

"We built this country"

"We are the natural governing party in Canada"

is there a problem?

yes, there have been contributions by all throughout the years; however, we all (should) recognize the principal driving party... like, really - c'mon... when you say, "the natural governing party in Canada", everyone just knows it's the Liberal party that's being referred to

(you're welcome - glad to have helped to bring your blood temperature back to normal)

[Radsickle]

"We build this country"

Arrogant, arrogant, arrogant.

A country that he was away from for MANY years.

People like my grandparents built this country.

Dippers, Grits and Tory's built this country.

NOT JUST THE LIBERALS.

People like my grandparents also built this country and always voted for the Grits.

Dude, in the video, Ignatieff said "We created the country you live in", not `we built this country'... you make it sound like that bad 80's pop tune, "We built this city".

He was talking about the Liberal Party being a `National Institution'. It's been around the longest and it's been in power most of the time, hasn't it?

Harper's `Conservatives' have been around maybe a decade. They are not the `Tories' who built this country. The `Grits' have far more claim to that title now.

[Cameron]

The Conservative party started off as....the Conservative party then P.C...it was even called Liberal-Conservatives at one point.

Don't give me this..."Institution" BS.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Cameron

[Radsickle]

Puhleeze. The Tory party of old was much more respectable than this `alliance' of far-right yokels and cynical right-of-centre citizens. Harper's conservatives are fringe elements of the right wing trying to rebrand itself as the new and old conservatives... Tories used to appeal to every province, not just Alberta.

What was it Harper said about Nova Scotia... a `culture of defeatism'.... yah, really cares about votes from you guys....

Edited May 27, 2009 by Radsickle

[Wilber]

Puhleeze. The Tory party of old was much more respectable than this `alliance' of far-right yokels and cynical right-of-centre citizens. Harper's conservatives are fringe elements of the right wing trying to rebrand itself as the new and old conservatives... Tories used to appeal to every province, not just Alberta.

What was it Harper said about Nova Scotia... a `culture of defeatism'.... yah, really cares about votes from you guys....

I think the Maritime provinces are great. The people are great. One thing I love is the fantastic music you find in the bars. I have to admit however that I have never heard so many songs about being on pogey anywhere else in the country. I really don't know what to make of that.

Edited May 27, 2009 by Wilber

[Keepitsimple]

I just can't believe that video....change that - I can believe it. It's exactly the reason that people who do NOT vote for Liberals - dislike Liberals. Rightly, this will form more fodder for Conservative reality commercials. It's just sickening to hear this kind of talk - there is no humility - just sheer hubris.....he is writing off the 35-40% of Canadians who traditionally vote Conservative. Incredible....but understandable - this is the Liberal Party of Canada.

[SSD]

I too was unsure of who I was going to vote for. After watching that video, I can tell you this, I am more sure now than I have ever been before. Did you hear what he said. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8, not 9, but 10 degrees to the right. By the end of the next campaign, I am sure that Liberals will be polling in the 90s.

[Radsickle]

I too was unsure of who I was going to vote for. After watching that video, I can tell you this, I am more sure now than I have ever been before. Did you hear what he said. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8, not 9, but 10 degrees to the right. By the end of the next campaign, I am sure that Liberals will be polling in the 90s.

Let me be perfectly clear. I'm moving forward, with shovels ready, for your attack on scripted media bites. I want to bury the producers of them too.

But, let's be clear, Stevie Harper is a glutton when it comes to pre-scripted phraseology and Fox Network mentality.

[noahbody]

Did you hear what he said. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8, not 9, but 10 degrees to the right.

That was one of the points that stuck out to me. Ignatieff didn't appear to have a problem with Dion taking the partiy not 1, not 2, not 3... steps to the left.

He also boasted that he campaigned for Trudeau, who according to his standard (the only job of the PM is to unite the country) would have to be considered a dismal failure, since he gave one part of the country the middle finger.

The guy is all over the map.

[Radsickle]

I think the Maritime provinces are great. The people are great. One thing I love is the fantastic music you find in the bars. I have to admit however that I have never heard so many songs about being on pogey anywhere else in the country. I really don't know what to make of that.

When enough loggers are out of work due to the Softwood Lumber Scandal, you might hear one or two more songs about pogey on your shore too.

[Radsickle]

Ignatieff didn't appear to have a problem with Dion taking the partiy not 1, not 2, not 3... steps to the left.

Ah.... no.

Ignatieff was showing allegiance to the declared `party leader' of the time; Dion. Ignatieff actually should have won the Liberal Convention years ago but Gerard Kennedy and Stephan Dion `pooled' their votes and won. Iggy always remained loyal to the Liberal Party.

[Wilber]

When enough loggers are out of work due to the Softwood Lumber Scandal, you might hear one or two more songs about pogey on your shore too.

Possibly but they won't be as good.

[noahbody]

Ah.... no.

Ignatieff was showing allegiance to the declared `party leader' of the time; Dion.

So what you're saying is Ignatieff has no conviction. He's a follower.

Ignatieff actually should have won the Liberal Convention years ago but Gerard Kennedy and Stephan Dion `pooled' their votes and won.

Ignatieff lost fair and square. Bob Rae supporters voted for the left of centre candidate, who Ignatieff later chose to follow.

Iggy always remained loyal to the Liberal Party.

He supported the proposed coalition agreement. So no.

[Radsickle]

So what you're saying is Ignatieff has no conviction. He's a follower.

Ignatieff lost fair and square. Bob Rae supporters voted for the left of centre candidate, who Ignatieff later chose to follow.

He supported the proposed coalition agreement. So no.

ooo... you win... `Gotcha' politics is popular and, today, you get to eat the cake. Well done. Good thing you showed us the bad side of Ignatieff. whew.....

[Borg]

Anything that transplanted American - Iggy - is associated with - is worthless

He might win and he might lose - but Iggy has a guaranteed job with Harvard if he wants it - so he gives a damn about Canada.

It is all power and money - one he wants and the other he has.

Iggy has no clue about the trials of paying a utility bill.

He is a Canadian of convenience only. Seems to me Canada suffers because of more than a few of them.

He is nothing more than a parachuted opportunist who will happily leave if he loses his leadership position.

Happy to see him go

Borg

Edited May 27, 2009 by Borg

[Oleg Bach]

Anything that transplanted American - Iggy - is associated with - is worthless

He might win and he might lose - but Iggy has a guaranteed job with Harvard if he wants it - so he gives a damn about Canada.

It is all power and money - one he wants and the other he has.

Iggy has no clue about the trials of paying a utility bill.

He is a Canadian of convenience only. Seems to me Canada suffers because of more than a few of them.

He is nothing more than a parachuted opportunist who will happily leave if he loses his leadership position.

Happy to see him go

Borg

We don't need another Trudeau - who imagines himself a citizen of the world - like a drunken father who travels about - and his national family is that last thing on his mind - and adventure at the expense of his family is the first thing on his mind - If I was a kid - I would rather not have a father (prime minster) - then have one that is so disconnected that he neglects me and is facinated with the world - he is a hobbist...a careerist where having fun is more profound than providing a service and real support - Iggy is like a member of the Supreme Court - acedemics that are more interested in international law than enforcing the law in their own household - eg..they can not get gang violence under control in Toronto - YET they are fixated on resolutions that the UN is about to pass and love to debate it - because domestic issues are below them....f iggy.

[capricorn]

It is all power and money - one he wants and the other he has.

I also think Ignatieff is in it for fame. He appears to be in love with himself and thinks the whole world should be as well.

"Because his political career has been about his own glorification, about his desire – for it seems to be the only reason he entered politics in the first place – to be prime minister. He may generously be called a chameleon, a shifty academic difficult to pin down, but perhaps more accurately he ought to be called an egotist who is sure of his own superiority and who seems to lack any real passion for the country he intends to lead."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/ci...-canada-economy

[Oleg Bach]

I also think Ignatieff is in it for fame. He appears to be in love with himself and thinks the whole world should be as well.

"Because his political career has been about his own glorification, about his desire – for it seems to be the only reason he entered politics in the first place – to be prime minister. He may generously be called a chameleon, a shifty academic difficult to pin down, but perhaps more accurately he ought to be called an egotist who is sure of his own superiority and who seems to lack any real passion for the country he intends to lead."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/ci...-canada-economy

He is the personification of ambition and ego feeding that is typical of most politicals - what do you expect - he is high on the food chain - in the area of service - self service!

[Oleg Bach]

Politics should not be like a university - where students strive to be the head of the university in order to avoid the real world.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

That was one of the points that stuck out to me. Ignatieff didn't appear to have a problem with Dion taking the partiy not 1, not 2, not 3... steps to the left.

He also boasted that he campaigned for Trudeau, who according to his standard (the only job of the PM is to unite the country) would have to be considered a dismal failure, since he gave one part of the country the middle finger.

The guy is all over the map.

Dude, I was there in Edmonton when the rednecks eggs the train during a massive heckling session. There was a lot of fingers being tossed around his was in response, he returned the salute is what he did.