Canada's immigration policy.

Smallc · June 2, 2009

Read between the lines!

Both immigrants and natural born Canadians benefit.

benny · June 2, 2009

Both immigrants and natural born Canadians benefit.

Wishful thinking (at best)!

Smallc · June 2, 2009

No, it's not wishful thinking, it's reality.

benny · June 2, 2009

No, it's not wishful thinking, it's reality.

It's pure cynicism and sarcasm rather.

Smallc · June 2, 2009

If you say so. I'm sure one of the anti immigrant crew will be along to correct me soon enough anyway.

benny · June 2, 2009

If you say so. I'm sure one of the anti immigrant crew will be along to correct me soon enough anyway.

Immigrants are only not slavish enough for Anti-immigrants.

Leafless · June 2, 2009

seal the flood gates oh my you guys are real smart, if you think our economy is on the rocks now, close the gates and watch it go down the toilet...

There are many other factors to consider rather than sheer numbers of immigrants and most have already been previously discussed.

Canada's natural growth has reached ZPG,

Not until between 2020-2030 will there be a natural birth rate of zero.

http://www.cicnews.com/1998/08/canada-depe...owth-08527.html

without those immigrants our pension system and healthcare would collapse...

Short term gain for long term pain is not the answer.

I can't imagine how Canadians survived prior to 1966 when EITHER national health care nor Canada pension plans existed.

Besides our current national health care plan cost is expected to reach $171.9 billion, or $5,170 per person, in 2008, which is higher for a comparable private plan (not subsidized in the U.S.).

Private family health care plans are available in the U.S.:

This year, the average annual premium for family coverage hit $10,880, with employers paying an average of 74% of that cost and workers paying the rest. Workers this year paid on average $2,713 toward family coverage, or $1,094 more than they paid five years ago, the survey found.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/h...th-policy_x.htm

Leafless · June 2, 2009

seal the flood gates oh my you guys are real smart, if you think our economy is on the rocks now, close the gates and watch it go down the toilet...

There are many other factors to consider rather than sheer numbers of immigrants and most have already been previously discussed.

Canada's natural growth has reached ZPG,

Not until between 2020-2030 will there be a natural birth rate of zero.

http://www.cicnews.com/1998/08/canada-depe...owth-08527.html

without those immigrants our pension system and healthcare would collapse...

Short term gain for long term pain is not the answer.

I can't imagine how Canadians survived prior to 1966 when EITHER national health care nor Canada pension plans existed.

Besides our current national health care plan cost is expected to reach $171.9 billion, or $5,170 per person, in 2008, which is higher for a comparable private plan (not subsidized in the U.S.).

Private family health care plans are available in the U.S.:

This year, the average annual premium for family coverage hit $10,880, with employers paying an average of 74% of that cost and workers paying the rest. Workers this year paid on average $2,713 toward family coverage, or $1,094 more than they paid five years ago, the survey found.

Smallc · June 2, 2009

You do realize that the US government spends more per person on healthcare than the Canadian government...right? But this is even more revealing about how out of touch you are with Canadian society...white or otherwise.

M.Dancer · June 2, 2009

Besides our current national health care plan cost is expected to reach $171.9 billion, or $5,170 per person, in 2008, which is higher for a comparable private plan (not subsidized in the U.S.).
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/h...th-policy_x.htm

Like I said, Leafless has a hard time understanding things he reads....

This year, the average annual premium for family coverage hit $10,880, with employers paying an average of 74% of that cost and workers paying the rest. Workers this year paid on average $2,713 toward family coverage, or $1,094 more than they paid five years ago, the survey found.

That's a subsidy.

Further more...

In 2007, the U.S. spent $2.26 trillion on health care, or $7,439 per person, up from $2.1 trillion, or $7,026 per capita, the previous year.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_i...h_care_spending

That's $7,026 US vs $5,170 CND

Renegade · June 2, 2009

You do realize that the US government spends more per person on healthcare than the Canadian government...right?

That is an interesting stat if true. Any reference to back this up?

M.Dancer · June 2, 2009

That is an interesting stat if true. Any reference to back this up?

SEE ABOVE

Renegade · June 2, 2009

SEE ABOVE

No. His claim is that the government spends it, not the people.

Smallc · June 2, 2009

Seems you're right and I misread. They're system is still more expensive though...and less available.

Edited June 2, 2009 by Smallc

Leafless · June 2, 2009

Leafless cannot name these non-White (sic) immigrants or identify the long term problems...

Am I suppose to be able to.

What an inane question.

Leafless cannot name the tremendous social problems....

I think I have already IDENTIFIED them throughout many different threads on this site.

Quebecs and French Canadians are already assimilated

Then why has the federal government have to stoop to implementing cultural policies relating to 'ethnocide' to accommodate them?

Leafless's arthritic grasp of English fails him again....how does one import more French Canadians?

Immigration....how else.

Given that Leafles often doesn't understand what he reads, the figure "39" years old is a best taken with a shovel of salt.

Statistics Canada says the average age of immigrant workers is 43...worse still.

The average age of immigrant workers in Canada was about 43 in 2006.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2009...e/10770-eng.htm

bjre · June 2, 2009

Not until between 2020-2030 will there be a natural birth rate of zero.
http://www.cicnews.com/1998/08/canada-depe...owth-08527.html

Why many Canadian don't like to have kids?

Is it because of

1. Worry, trouble more than happiness,

2. Too expansive

3. Uncertainty of the future of the kids because of poor education.

4. Fear of CAS, The kids are belong to state.

5. Fear of death in hospital,

Smallc · June 2, 2009

Fear of paranoid internet posters I think.

Leafless · June 2, 2009

Like I said, Leafless has a hard time understanding things he reads....

That was simply relating to the cost of a private plan not subsidized by the employer as in comparison to what a Canadian would have to pay (in the way of taxes) compared to that of a private family plan.

There are other reasons for a higher TOTAL health cost in the U.S. including these:

I would hate to see what the bill is for Veterans Administration alone.

We find a somewhat higher incidence of chronic health conditions in the U.S. than in Canada but somewhat greater U.S. access to treatment for these conditions. Moreover, a significantly higher percentage of U.S. women and men are screened for major forms of cancer. Although health status, measured in various ways is similar in both countries, mortality/incidence ratios for various cancers tend to be higher in Canada. The need to ration resources in Canada, where care is delivered "free", ultimately leads to long waits. In the U.S., costs are more often a source of unmet needs. We also find that Canada has no more abolished the tendency for health status to improve with income than have other countries. Indeed, the health-income gradient is slightly steeper in Canada than it is in the U.S.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w13429

Smallc · June 2, 2009

There are many studies...some way that both systems do as well as eachother, many say that canada is better, and some say that the US is better. Again, you're out of touch with Canadian society.

Smallc · June 2, 2009

http://apps.who.int/whosis/database/core/c...;indicators=nha

More interesting information.

bjre · June 2, 2009

Fear of paranoid internet posters I think.

This is not reasonable.

If you don't agree, what is your opinion on why "the total fertility rate has remained practically unchanged at 1.6 children per woman for several years"

Leafless · June 2, 2009

Why many Canadian don't like to have kids?
Is it because of

1. Worry, trouble more than happiness,

2. Too expansive

3. Uncertainty of the future of the kids because of poor education.

4. Fear of CAS, The kids are belong to state.

5. Fear of death in hospital,

Because of the pursuit of over priced unaffordable cookie cutter houses, plastic coated shiny cars and a host of other materialistic offerings that generate huge profits for banks and coupled with high taxes require both man and wife to work, have replaced the natural drive to have families.