Pakistan Kicking some Taliban Butt!

wulf42 · May 10, 2009

About time!!............It seems Pakistan has finally woken up to this threat, now the Taliban is getting smoked from all sides......good job boys let em have it!!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/1...ting/index.html

Radsickle · May 10, 2009

About time!!............It seems Pakistan has finally woken up to this threat, now the Taliban is getting smoked from all sides......good job boys let em have it!!
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/1...ting/index.html

I'm not gonna click your CNN link but Canadian Media are also reporting the new effort. Hooeh to that. It's about time the fascist Taliban were strangled.

DogOnPorch · May 10, 2009

I think the Taliban will win this one. Pakistan will fall and come under Taliban control along with its nuclear weapons. They are 60 km from the capital as it is. Shades of Saigon.

Radsickle · May 10, 2009

I think the Taliban will win this one. Pakistan will fall and come under Taliban control along with its nuclear weapons. They are 60 km from the capital as it is. Shades of Saigon.

Oh, thanks a lot, Mr. Optimist.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

Oh, thanks a lot, Mr. Optimist.

Just playing 'em as I see 'em. The Pakistani Army has the fighting ability of ARVN units while the Taliban is motivated like the Viet Cong.

I doubt Canada will be invading Pakistan...imagine the problems on the Home Front! So, you're perhaps secretly hoping America will do the dirty work...and I doubt they will to the extent needed.

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

No one is going to Pakistan - they made a tacit deal with the devil and let them work out the betrayal...after all - Pakistan choose to play both sides and now they pay the piper.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

Unfortunately, what might go to Pakistan if it gets to that stage (Taliban w/ nukes) is a preemptive nuke strike on Pakistani launch facilities.

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

I fully realize that. Find me a taliban goat herder who can operate a nuclear weapons facility and launch a nuke....there are none - those capable of firing missles will not be Taliban.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

I fully realize that. Find me a taliban goat herder who can operate a nuclear weapons facility and launch a nuke....there are none - those capable of firing missles will not be Taliban.

You underestimate the Taliban. Half the Pakistani Army is ready to turn-coat and fight for them. That would include the fellows in charge of the nukes. Spare me the goat-herder crapola.

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

You underestimate the Taliban. Half the Pakistani Army is ready to turn-coat and fight for them. That would include the fellows in charge of the nukes. Spare me the goat-herder crapola.

I don't underestimate anyone - How can you underestimate the Taliban - when they are like a hockey team funded and coached by Saudi Arabian elite - who own terrorist cells the way our elite own - a baseball team...I do not doubt that they can hire who they want to facilitate a launch - then we would have to invade every other nation other than Iraq or Afghanistan - and finally get down to buisness - buisness that should have been taken care of propertly right after 9 11 - instead of going on this wild goose chase - the war on terror was comprimised because the Americans could not attack their oil buddies...like they should have.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

I don't underestimate anyone - How can you underestimate the Taliban - when they are like a hockey team funded and coached by Saudi Arabian elite - who own terrorist cells the way our elite own - a baseball team...I do not doubt that they can hire who they want to facilitate a launch - then we would have to invade every other nation other than Iraq or Afghanistan - and finally get down to buisness - buisness that should have been taken care of propertly right after 9 11 - instead of going on this wild goose chase - the war on terror was comprimised because the Americans could not attack their oil buddies...like they should have.

But you said in a previous post that...errr...nevermind.

I agree that Saudi Arabia is a BIG problem, but it isn't in immediate danger of falling to the radicals hiding in the wings like Pakistan. A coup is a serious threat right now. It could literally happen at any moment.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

Oh...and you might have noticed that Saudi Arabia doesn't have

.

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

What are we to do -? Every one begged Pakistan to take care of the problem of Taliban gaining strength and power while harboured by Pakistan - Pakistan apporached the proplem half heartedly - did no one realize that Paksitan was a partioned section of old India - exclusively for Muslims - Did no one even get an incling that the loyality was devided - we got played by Pakistan - How are we to stop problems from manifesting if we are not realistic and honest in our deplomacy? We should have demanded that they be on the square - but we were chicken and now we may have a crisis - should have nipped it in the bud - but instead we pussy footed around and were to polite -The west should have threatened Pakistan into not lieing - this should have been done three years ago.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

I think a lot of mistakes have been made.

Personally we (US/CAN/UK/ANZAC..et al) should have drafted 1,000,000 men (with $$$ bonus) after 9-11 and stamped the problem out in one BIG campaign as seen in WW2.

CRUSADE THIS.

Anything else leads to half-baked results such as Korea...Viet-Nam...Afghanistan...

Edited May 11, 2009 by DogOnPorch

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

I think a lot of mistakes have been made.
Personally we (US/CAN/UK/ANZAC..et al) should have drafted 1,000,000 men (with $$$ bonus) after 9-11 and stamped the problem out in one BIG campaign as seen in WW2.

CRUSADE THIS.

Anything else leads to half-baked results such as Korea...Viet-Nam...Afghanistan...

Or as a supposed Christian civilzation - we should have ignored them - boycotted them - secured our boarders and let them rot. One million soldiers could have kept the bastards out - instead like pagans we engaged the dirty dogs.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

Or as a supposed Christian civilzation - we should have ignored them - boycotted them - secured our boarders and let them rot. One million soldiers could have kept the bastards out - instead like pagans we engaged the dirty dogs.

I'm not Christian and neither is Canada.

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

I'm not Christian and neither is Canada.

Yes but they are Muslims - and Bush presented himself as a noble Christian but did not have a clue about the old movement.....hate to break it to you - the Queen is a Christian and all those in control of this aging colony are Chrisians - and if it were not for them - you would not have the freedom to make such a statement. It was us that grant you freedom and protection - not the Muslims - or the Jews or the secularists.

DogOnPorch · May 11, 2009

Yes but they are Muslims - and Bush presented himself as a noble Christian but did not have a clue about the old movement.....hate to break it to you - the Queen is a Christian and all those in control of this aging colony are Chrisians - and if it were not for them - you would not have the freedom to make such a statement. It was us that grant you freedom and protection - not the Muslims - or the Jews or the secularists.

Hate to break it to you, but there has been a separation of Church and State since Thomas Jefferson's time...before that if you want to split hairs. The British of course had Cromwell and the like to keep the clergy and such honest.

Met the Queen once...she didn't mention 'God'. Didn't have time i suppose...so many people!

Edited May 11, 2009 by DogOnPorch

Oleg Bach · May 11, 2009

Hate to break it to you, but there has been a separation of Church and State since Thomas Jefferson's time...before that if you want to split hairs. The British of course had Cromwell and the like to keep the clergy and such honest.
Met the Queen once...she didn't mention 'God'. Didn't have time i suppose...so many people!

Church and state are one - God is another matter. God is not religion - the state is religion - as is the church. It is impossible to have clergy be honest anymore than expecting sincerity form politicans. The Taliban is a state sponsored relgion - as is secularism here...as is our monetary system - based on mindless belief with out proof...People who understand what God and goodness is are NOT religious - oh - the Queen did grant santuary to my father after the last real war - because they knew he was an old believer from a good Russian family that have guarded the real faith for over a thousand years - hate to break it to you but us old knights still stand on guard for the weak...you included.. :rolleyes:

Moonlight Graham · May 11, 2009

Or as a supposed Christian civilzation - we should have ignored them - boycotted them - secured our boarders and let them rot. One million soldiers could have kept the bastards out - instead like pagans we engaged the dirty dogs.

Well said.

We should still do the same. Take all this money fighting a virtually unbeatable opponent & use it to secure our borders and improve intelligence.

A bunch of Taliban are dead, but who cares? They will continue to recruit more members faster than we can train Afghan police/army. And are they even the enemy? No members of the Taliban attacked the U.S. on 9/11, none of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Afghans. Where is the real enemy?

We've managed to push the Taliban and al-Qaeda from a poor, non-nuclear country and into an unstable, nuclear-armed country. Oops.

Radsickle · May 12, 2009

We've managed to push the Taliban and al-Qaeda from a poor, non-nuclear country and into an unstable, nuclear-armed country. Oops.

I Blame Musharref. If he hadn't of been a snake, Pakistan would be more secure now.

...and more of our soldiers would still be alive.

Edited May 12, 2009 by Radsickle

Radsickle · May 12, 2009

They will continue to recruit more members faster than we can train Afghan police/army.

What convinces these new members?

Where is the real enemy?

Good question.

DogOnPorch · May 12, 2009

Moonlight Graham: We've managed to push the Taliban and al-Qaeda from a poor, non-nuclear country and into an unstable, nuclear-armed country. Oops.

They were in Pakistan well before any troops set foot in Afghanistan. The world's largest gunmarket even exists just across the border for ease of rearming.

Sir Bandelot · May 13, 2009

Apparently 500,000 people had to flee from the fighting in the SWAT region. But when then the Taliban was there, they did not have to leave.

"The plight of those refugees could sap public support for the kind of sustained action against an increasingly interlinked array of Islamist extremists that the cash-strapped country's Western backers want to see.

Despite claims of success in an operation that began after heavy U.S. pressure, the army said it had yet to start operations in the region's main town of Swat, where witnesses say Taliban insurgents are in control and preparing for what could be bloody door-to-door fighting."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30699634/

Edited May 13, 2009 by Sir Bandelot

M.Dancer · May 13, 2009

Apparently 500,000 people had to flee from the fighting in the SWAT region. But when then the Taliban was there, they did not have to leave.

Apparently when the allies liberated Italy, france, Belgium and Holland, 100 of thousands of people had to flee the fighting, but when the Nazis were there, they did not have to leave.