Reward Offered for Obama's birth certificate

Leafless · April 28, 2009

As usual, you do not get it, leafless. let me TRY to explain it to you.
In Hawaii, the term "live birth certificate" is used for the full original record.

The term "live birth certification" is used for an official document, containing abstracted information from the "life birth certificate".

So what.

Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.]/quote]
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vit...ords/index.html

BTW-Are you Black?

lictor616 · April 28, 2009

Unless you want to argue that a Black president would have been more decent :lol:

It's a fair bet that YOU think that ...

Of course you doubtless see blacks as automatically superior in all manifestations of humanity, kinder, gentler, more honest and forthright, less deceiving...

maybe its in their genes?

OH LOL! Whackity Schmackity DOOOOO!!!

Model egalitarian you are!

Wait I bet you room is festooned with Obama regalia and flyers and "ChANGE" slogans... don't deny it Canadien...

lictor616 · April 28, 2009

:lol: You really believe that, do you?
Are you also accusing the hawaii department of Health of having lied when they confirmed that they had issued the document viewed by factcheck.org?

Then why post a doctored photoshop version of the Document ONLY to remove it later (when people noticed that the document had photoshop suite code in it!)

I mean if they HAD the real document... they certainly never made it available... which is curious isn't it...

and now the factcheck.org doc is of course ONLY in tiny resolution, and cannot be downloaded (wink knudge)

how more brazen can you get... and you believe what the District of Corruption tells the unwashed American masses?

You're even more gullible then I thought...

jdobbin · April 28, 2009

and now the factcheck.org doc is of course ONLY in tiny resolution, and cannot be downloaded (wink knudge)

The resolution is high and they hold the birth certificate in their hands at Factcheck and you can download it.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

KrustyKidd · April 28, 2009

Bush lied, among other things, about the use of torture.

Quote please.

As for the "bringing freedom" to the Iraqis, one would have to believe that was the intent of the war. But this is not about Bush, it's about the fact his skin colour has nothing to do with how he's perceived.

One would have to be pretty stupid to believe that any leader has any interest other than his own country's at heart.

We'll start with the fact that there would have been only one reason for her mother to do so - wanting, right from the moment of birth, from her son to become President of the United States. The requirement to be "natural born", that be not only a citizen but to be born in a territory subject to US authority, exists in only two cases - to become President and Vice_president. Baby Barack was already a U.S.. citizen.

No. We can start right from reality in that being born in the US and being a natural born citizen is a lot easier than having to go through red tape to get his immigration status changed after the fact in order to get benifits US citizens have over immigrents he would immediately or, need in the near future such as hospital care, schooling, welfare or whatever.

A certificate of live birth (long form) was issued by the hospital and filed in the records of the Hawaii Department of Health (or, if one has to believe the "Mom gave birth in Kenya, then flew to Hawaii because her more pressing priority was to make sure baby Barack would one day because U.S. President, a certificate was issued when some clerk was dumb enough to believe that"they forgot to register my son's birth at the hospital", then it was filed" theory).

I for one would never believe she had his becomming president in mind however, certainly can entertain that she was visiting Kenya and gave premature birth immediately prior to returning to the US and, wishing her son to be born on US soil, did a song and dance to have the birth registered there.

A certification was issued at the request of Barack Obama in 2007; under law, it consists of information abstracted from the original birth certificate as kept by the Department of Health, and is stamped by that office certifying that the information comes from the certificate they have on file. In this case, the Department has gone as far as issuing a statement confirming that they did issue the certification posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign, and that they DO have the birth certificate on file.

Fine. Where is the origional and why has it not been submitted to a documentation examiner qualified to conduct tests to verify it's age and compare the signatures on it to those known to be of the people who signed it in other certificates?

(btw, there is no "original birth certification", since certifications are issued only when a person who has a legal right to it requests it, like Obama did in 2007; doesn't change the fact that the certification was based on the certificate in the government files)

So anybody can simply say they were born there as they don't keep origional records? Very sloppy system they have going on.

He has already provided a birth certification, an official document issued by the State of Hawaii, which confirms that there is in the State's records a birth certificate stating that he was born in Honolulu.
The State of Hawaii has already confirmed that they released the birth certification, and has taken the unprecedented step of confirming they have the birth certificate, which they do not have to do since the very issuance of a certification is legally proof enough that there is a certificate in their files.

The state forensic historical document examiner? What was his name and what are his credientials and, what historicla documents has he authenticated in the past?

The fact that the certification was indeed issued by the State of Hawaii, and was not a forgery, was confirmed independently.

By sombody who is schooled in forensics to astertain the age, type of paper and ink as well as to authenticate the 47 year old signatures? I thnk not. It got a cursory glance and a 'yep' from some official is all.

What else should Obama do? Provide a copy of the certificate? Have the Hawaii Department of Health grant aaccess to the original birth certificate in their records itself (which, btw, would be against Hawaiian law)? Provide the copy that was given to his parents when the birth was registered (how many people can still find their's 48 years later?) It would solve NOTHING, since the conspiracy nuts, the sore losers and the racists would still find a way to claim either that "this is not the true original" or that "we have proof that false information was provided to the State authorities in 1961". When people are willing to believe that type of nonsense, they're unlikely to change their mind no matter the amount of evidence is shown.

I thnk that would solve the problem as the conspiracy nuts wonder why he has not done so already.l As for the HDH granting access, this is not a DUI or a slander case but is the President of the USA. To have the ducmument properly certified by historic document experts is not out of line.

CANADIEN · April 28, 2009

So what.
Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vit...ords/index.html

And I have put the link to the piece of legislation voted in 1982, 21 one years after Obama's birth, that clearly establishes the conditions under which somebody can obtain a Hawaiian birth certification. One does not just get to walk into the head office of the department of health and say "please give me a certification of birth'.

Besides, the certification of birth issued in 2007 to Barack Obama, an OFFICIAL document issued by the State of Hawaii, clearly states he was born in Honolulu. Which means one thing, and one thing only - the birth certificate, the document filled and filed by the State of Hawaii to register Obama's birth, states he was born in Honolulu. If he had been born elsewhere, the certification would have indicated that he was born elsewhere.

Don't you worry, I do not expect you to get it.

BTW-Are you Black?

Skin colour has nothing to do with my capacity to grasp FACTS, such as the fact Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

BTW, I'm white.

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CANADIEN · April 28, 2009

It's a fair bet that YOU think that ...
Of course you doubtless see blacks as automatically superior in all manifestations of humanity, kinder, gentler, more honest and forthright, less deceiving...

maybe its in their genes?

As i said before, an individual's intelligence has nothing to do with race. Neither is his/her character. Nice of you, btw to try to argue that because you believe it to be so I must believe the same in reverse.

Wait I bet you room is festooned with Obama regalia and flyers and "ChANGE" slogans... don't deny it Canadien...

Had I been an American Democrat, I would have voted Cinton, not Obama. Of all the candidates for the Presidency, from both parties, I thought McCain was the most decent (didn't like his foreign policy, though). There is no doubt in my mind that skin colour influences your political choices, I don't care about that when I make mine.

This is not about Brack Obama's ancestry. it is not about his political views. This is not even about whether or not he will be a good President. It's about one irrefutable FACT: he was born in Hawaii, and met the legal qualifications to become President.

waldo · April 29, 2009

Can you provide one absolute important lie he (Bush) told please. Something you know that was a deliberate attempt to deceive rather than just passing on information he believed to be true which was mistaken.
Also wondering how you feel about him freeing more than fifty million people not to mention the hundreds of millions of yet unborn generations. This would make him the greatest advocate of freedom the world has ever known. That surpasses Lincoln, King and all whom many revere. Possibly, you might wish to refer to him as

'Bush the Great' rather than calling him a liar?

oh pleeese! There's was/is a wildly flourishing industry dedicated to the deceit/lies of Bush... all the way back to his (supposed) military service and Texas Governorship. I expect some of the best Bush lies are yet to be revealed. Surely, you're not going to fall back on that ole "darn good intelligence" line for it all :lol:

One of the better/more organized websites... AtoZ indexed, categorized by subject, etc.

Biggest Bush Lies

So the great emancipator Bush freed the Iraqi people!!! Geezaz you're a fine revisionist...

KrustyKidd · April 29, 2009

oh pleeese! There's was/is a wildly flourishing industry dedicated to the deceit/lies of Bush... all the way back to his (supposed) military service and Texas Governorship. I expect some of the best Bush lies are yet to be revealed. Surely, you're not going to fall back on that ole "darn good intelligence" line for it all
One of the better/more organized websites... AtoZ indexed, categorized by subject, etc.

Biggest Bush Lies

I'm not discussing with a site rather with you so please quote the lies here.

So the great emancipator Bush freed the Iraqi people!!! Geezaz you're a fine revisionist...

Freed fifty million people. Unless of course you are gong to revise history yourself and prove that Iraq and Afghanistan were free societies.

CANADIEN · April 29, 2009

Then why post a doctored photoshop version of the Document ONLY to remove it later (when people noticed that the document had photoshop suite code in it!)

That would be an interesting question, save for the fact in DID NOT HAPPEN. Something is not a forgery just because you and an assortment of sore losers, conspiracy lunatics and racists have convinced yourself that's the case. The birth certification held by the Obama campaign IS an official document issued by the State of Hawaii.

I mean if they HAD the real document... they certainly never made it available... which is curious isn't it...

What is not curious is how little you understand. The birth registration, the document filled and filed at the time of Obama's birth, is where is has been since it was filed, in the records of the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii. This was confirmed by the Director of Health of the State of Hawaii, Dr. Choyome Fukinon, in a press release dated October 31, 2008 text of the release,

and now the factcheck.org doc is of course ONLY in tiny resolution, and cannot be downloaded (wink knudge)

Change computer. I was able to download the images.

You're even more gullible then I thought...

me kettle, you pot

Edited April 29, 2009 by CANADIEN

CANADIEN · April 29, 2009

Quote please.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov...20051129-2.html

KrustyKidd · April 29, 2009

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov...20051129-2.html

Bush

First of all, it's good to be back in El Paso.

This is the big lie??????????

Maybe he really felt it was good to be back in El Paso. In fact, I myself like El Paso so for me, it would be good to be back there again.

Now pony up with some lies rather than expecting me to do your research for you.

waldo · April 29, 2009

I'm not discussing with a site rather with you so please quote the lies here.

you're deluded and unabashedly ignorant of the facts... truly, if I felt there was any point I'd tear you a new one over each and every Bush lie I cared to offer up.

Freed fifty million people. Unless of course you are gong to revise history yourself and prove that Iraq and Afghanistan were free societies.

I suppose your definition of a "free" Iraq entails thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed... civil war... sectarian violence... a decimated country, ruined infrastructure, floundering economy, a loss of oil control, etc., etc., etc.

I suppose you hold to the view the so-called surge actually worked... in spite of the coincident fact the militias simply are biding their time until U.S. withdrawal begins en masse.

I suppose, ultimately, when the brazen Bush disaster implodes... leaving a full blown theocracy in its wake... you'll smugly charge that Bush didn't lie... that he simply didn't get good intelligence! But, but, but... you'll bleat on about "regime change" or some other nonsense and accuse the Iraqis of turning their backs on "Bush democracy". You sir... you are the master revisionist. I've not read anyone in some time so shamelessly advocate for Bush and his administration - well done!

CANADIEN · April 29, 2009

No. We can start right from reality in that being born in the US and being a natural born citizen is a lot easier than having to go through red tape to get his immigration status changed after the fact in order to get benifits US citizens have over immigrents he would immediately or, need in the near future such as hospital care, schooling, welfare or whatever.
I for one would never believe she had his becomming president in mind however, certainly can entertain that she was visiting Kenya and gave premature birth immediately prior to returning to the US and, wishing her son to be born on US soil, did a song and dance to have the birth registered there.

No, let's start form the fact Barack Obama's mother was an American citizen, which made him an American citizen by birth, regardless of where he was born.

Fine. Where is the origional and why has it not been submitted to a documentation examiner qualified to conduct tests to verify it's age and compare the signatures on it to those known to be of the people who signed it in other certificates?

As I said before, the original is in the records of the department of Health of the State of Hawaii. Are you accusing or entertaining the idea that the Department or its officials were part of the forgery of an official document?

So anybody can simply say they were born there as they don't keep origional records? Very sloppy system they have going on.

As I said before, you don't seem to understand, so let me explain it again. The certification is an abstract of the certificate, which is the official record of the birth kept by the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii.

The state forensic historical document examiner? What was his name and what are his credientials and, what historicla documents has he authenticated in the past?

People at factcheck.org saw the CERTIFICATION. When they had questions, they checked with officials at the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii, and the responses were sufficient to convince them that what they had held in their hand was indeed a certification issued by the State of Hawaii in 2007. They didn't need an historical document examiner.

By sombody who is schooled in forensics to astertain the age, type of paper and ink as well as to authenticate the 47 year old signatures? I thnk not. It got a cursory glance and a 'yep' from some official is all.

The Health Director of the State of Hawaii declared in a press released that she had verified with her own eyes that her Department holds a birth certificate for Barack Obama. By law, records in the custody of the Department of Health are deemed authentic, so unless one wants to argue and PROVE in a court of law that the Director lied, or that the Department or its official filed a forged document...

I thnk that would solve the problem as the conspiracy nuts wonder why he has not done so already.l As for the HDH granting access, this is not a DUI or a slander case but is the President of the USA. To have the ducmument properly certified by historic document experts is not out of line.

It would not solve anything. The moment a forensic expert looks at the certificate in the files of the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii and says "Yes, the ink is from that time, the paper is from that, time and the signatures are indeed those of officials at the time", the conspiracy nuts will come with something like "he/she must be lying", "that doesn't prove this is not a forgery". or "who can prove to us that Obama's mother didn't give birth in Kenya, came back right away to Hawaii and told some story to an idiot clerk at the DOH about how the hospital forgot to do the paper work".

Besides, the laws and regulations of the State of Hawaii are very clear about how birth records are created, how they are maintained, how, to whom and in what format the information from those records is to be released. No evidence has been presented that the State or its officials violated those laws and regulations. The Department of Health cannot, and should not, violate its legal obligations directly or indirectly just because of some nonsensical conspiracy theory.

Edited April 29, 2009 by CANADIEN

CANADIEN · April 29, 2009

Bush
This is the big lie??????????

Maybe he really felt it was good to be back in El Paso. In fact, I myself like El Paso so for me, it would be good to be back there again.

Now pony up with some lies rather than expecting me to do your research for you.

Perhaps you can't read.

So let me help you.

Thirteen lines from the end, and I quote:

THE PRESIDENT: The United States of America does not torture. And that's important for people around the world to understand.

We know now that interrogation methods that amount to torture have been used by members of the American security agencies, and that they were approved by Bush.

KrustyKidd · April 29, 2009

you're deluded and unabashedly ignorant of the facts... truly, if I felt there was any point I'd tear you a new one over each and every Bush lie I cared to offer up.

You have not provided any facts rather simply stated what you believe.

I suppose your definition of a "free" Iraq entails thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians killed... civil war... sectarian violence... a decimated country, ruined infrastructure, floundering economy, a loss of oil control, etc., etc., etc.

I believe that when Iraqis formed their own constitution and vote in greater numbers than any western nation they are far more freer than they were before.

I suppose you hold to the view the so-called surge actually worked... in spite of the coincident fact the militias simply are biding their time until U.S. withdrawal begins en masse.

While not agreeing with you it seems you and Obama are at odds on this one. Strange, I never had you pegged for one who was in favor of the US remaining in Iraq with an open end for withdrawl.

I suppose, ultimately, when the brazen Bush disaster implodes... leaving a full blown theocracy in its wake... you'll smugly charge that Bush didn't lie... that he simply didn't get good intelligence! But, but, but... you'll bleat on about "regime change" or some other nonsense and accuse the Iraqis of turning their backs on "Bush democracy". You sir... you are the master revisionist. I've not read anyone in some time so shamelessly advocate for Bush and his administration - well done!

I am not for Bush but rather facts. Something you have yet to produce to support your contentions.

No, let's start form the fact Barack Obama's mother was an American citizen, which made him an American citizen by birth, regardless of where he was born.

No. She was only 18 and thus, could not have lived in the US for five years after the age of 14.

8 U.S.C. § 1401, "a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States" before Nov. 14, 1986 is a natural-born citizen only if the citizen parent "was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years"

As I said before, the original is in the records of the department of Health of the State of Hawaii. Are you accusing or entertaining the idea that the Department or its officials were part of the forgery of an official document?

Nope. Just saying that they are unqualified to do forensics on a fifty year old document.

Perhaps you can't read.
So let me help you.

Thirteen lines from the end, and I quote:

THE PRESIDENT: The United States of America does not torture. And that's important for people around the world to understand.

We know now that interrogation methods that amount to torture have been used by members of the American security agencies, and that they were approved by Bush.

And at the time, were legal interrogation methods, not torture.

CANADIEN · April 29, 2009

In 1961, it was part of the procedures of the Hawaii Bureau to publish the list of newborns whose birth had been registered, with parents' names, address and date of birth, in newspapers.

They did so in the Sunday Advertiser (Honolulu) on August 13, 1963. One of the babies listed was Barack Hussein Obama II.

Now, I am sure, some will argue that all the family had to do was to pay for the advertisement, even while not being there. Too bad that it is clearly said at the top of the announcements that they came from the Bureau of Health.

Hey, but maybe the Obama campaign just forged that one too. Making sure of course that every existing copies of the paper, in original or on microfilm, found anywhere in Hawaii or throughout the U.S., had been alterned just in case someone decides to check. Which would mean that 20 years ago or so *the likely time the paper was microfilmed, if it was not done before) the conspiracy to make Barack Obama the President of the United States was well under way.

KrustyKidd · April 29, 2009

In 1961, it was part of the procedures of the Hawaii Bureau to publish the list of newborns whose birth had been registered, with parents' names, address and date of birth, in newspapers.
They did so in the Sunday Advertiser (Honolulu) on August 13, 1963. One of the babies listed was Barack Hussein Obama II.

Now, I am sure, some will argue that all the family had to do was to pay for the advertisement, even while not being there. Too bad that it is clearly said at the top of the announcements that they came from the Bureau of Health.

Hey, but maybe the Obama campaign just forged that one too. Making sure of course that every existing copies of the paper, in original or on microfilm, found anywhere in Hawaii or throughout the U.S., had been alterned just in case someone decides to check. Which would mean that 20 years ago or so *the likely time the paper was microfilmed, if it was not done before) the conspiracy to make Barack Obama the President of the United States was well under way.

I for one certainly believe that the family was in the US when the ad was placed. I simply say that it is quite possible for him to be born outside the US on the 4th and then, on arrival on the sixth or whatever, the mother in order to ensure her son would be given full rights as a US citizen immediately, simply worked outside the red tape and got a few dots and ts dotted crossed. The ad would be a touch of to keep it all normal.

Smallc · April 29, 2009

Or, it's quite possible (and highly probable), that he was born in Hawaii.

KrustyKidd · April 29, 2009

Or, it's quite possible (and highly probable), that he was born in Hawaii.

In fact, almost certain. However, it only adds to the strangeness and fuels suspicion when it can all be squelched by allowing a detailed forensic examination of the document.

Smallc · April 29, 2009

No, it can only be squelched when the documentation is ignored.

KrustyKidd · April 29, 2009

No, it can only be squelched when the documentation is ignored.

I disagree. While I certainly don't believe that Obama was born anywhere else other than the US, some people do. If he would allow forensic examination of his original BC then it might stop some detractors but really, not allowing it stops none.

In the end, if I were he, I wouldn't lower myself to a level that has anything to do with this unless I was forced to. But, there is the possibility that there is merit to this troofer theory nonetheless.

CANADIEN · April 29, 2009

I for one certainly believe that the family was in the US when the ad was placed. I simply say that it is quite possible for him to be born outside the US on the 4th and then, on arrival on the sixth or whatever, the mother in order to ensure her son would be given full rights as a US citizen immediately, simply worked outside the red tape and got a few dots and ts dotted crossed. The ad would be a touch of to keep it all normal.

Let me repeat:

In 1961, it was part of the procedures of the Hawaii Bureau to publish the list of newborns whose birth had been registered, with parents' names, address and date of birth, in newspapers.

It means one thing: a birth WAS registered with the State of Hawaii. Let's keep that in mind when going step by step through the chain of events:

1) Baby Barack is born in Kenya. Let's remember, his mother is a U.S. citizen, which makes him a U.S. citizen at birth

2) Mommy rushes back to Hawaii to make sure the birth will be registered there, so that he will be a U.S. citizen. Well, she may not know that baby Barack is already a U.S. citizen.

3) She enters the United States with no documentation, or with a Kenyan birth record for which nobody has ever been able to produce a copy. On her way, she would likely had changed plan at least once or twice.

4) Once she arrives, she goes to the Hawaii Bureau of Health, and says to the clerk that baby Barack was born a few days ago and that the idiots at the hospital forgot to give her the papers. She is hoping that she'll get a clerk who is enough of a moron to believe her without checking. And it's her lucky day becaue guess what, the pimpled nephew of the office manager's wife is behind the counter, getting bored fast, and he just nods and say "it's so terrible, let me help you" when lied to by mommy Obama. He does not even have the presence of mind of looking into the birth records sent by the hospital so he can say "don't worry Ma'am, they sent it to us already", he doesn't ask uncle Benny what to do, nothing.

So far, we have a mother who doesn't know her son IS a citizen by birth, either an illegal entry into the U.S. and at least one other country OR a Kenya birth record nobody can find now, and an imbecile at the counter.

Where does it go from there?

I see three possibilities.

a - the idiot clerk add Baby Baracks's name to the list of announcements to be sent to the papers, but forgets to fill the certificate that has to be filed in the records of his office. Years later, Obama requests a certification of birth, is told that there is no certificate, and conspires with officials at the Department of Health to either forge a certificate or make up a bogus certification and lie about the existence of a certificate.

b - the idiot clerk grabs a blank certificate, but mommy Obama tells him not to bother and that just putting baby Barack's name announcements to be sent to the papers should be fine. Which means that she is clever enough to have her son's birth recorded, but stupid enough not to have it actually registered (also means that the clerk doesn't know the requirements for the registration for a summer job, but hey we already know he's a moron on a summer job). Years later, Obama requests a certification of birth, is told that there is no certificate, and conspires with officials at the Department of Health to either forge a certificate or make up a bogus certification and lie about the existence of a certificate.

c - the idiot clerk grabs a form, fills it with the information provided by mommy Obama, and files it. So, what we have there is a certification in the files of the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii. Which means that if the Department decided tomorrow to have a forensic expert look at the original document, the expert would find a document created in 1961, and would be in no position to notice the information on it is bogus.

This scenario is so plausible it's scary.

KrustyKidd · April 30, 2009

Let me repeat:
It means one thing: a birth WAS registered with the State of Hawaii. Let's keep that in mind when going step by step through the chain of events:[ 1) Baby Barack is born in Kenya. Let's remember, his mother is a U.S. citizen, which makes him a U.S. citizen at birth

No it does not as his father is non American and, his mother is not 19. Remember I quoted the naturalization criteria and the age of the parent along with history of residency dictated that they had to have spent five years in the US while over the age of 14 in order for him to inherit US citizenship if born abroad.

2) Mommy rushes back to Hawaii to make sure the birth will be registered there, so that he will be a U.S. citizen. Well, she may not know that baby Barack is already a U.S. citizen.

He is not and she knows this which is why she rushes back.

3) She enters the United States with no documentation, or with a Kenyan birth record for which nobody has ever been able to produce a copy. On her way, she would likely had changed plan at least once or twice.
4) Once she arrives, she goes to the Hawaii Bureau of Health, and says to the clerk that baby Barack was born a few days ago and that the idiots at the hospital forgot to give her the papers. She is hoping that she'll get a clerk who is enough of a moron to believe her without checking. And it's her lucky day becaue guess what, the pimpled nephew of the office manager's wife is behind the counter, getting bored fast, and he just nods and say "it's so terrible, let me help you" when lied to by mommy Obama. He does not even have the presence of mind of looking into the birth records sent by the hospital so he can say "don't worry Ma'am, they sent it to us already", he doesn't ask uncle Benny what to do, nothing.

Or she says that the child was born at home with her mother helping her two days ago and she was resting+ or recovering.

So far, we have a mother who doesn't know her son IS a citizen by birth, either an illegal entry into the U.S. and at least one other country OR a Kenya birth record nobody can find now, and an imbecile at the counter.

Funny, people have contacted neighbors at the time and nobody remembers the Obamas living at the house they gave as their address in the announcement nor, can anybody verify the hospital he was born at, nor has anybody come forward to say they or their mother or father or wife delivered the president of the USA 47 yars ago. Given the small numbers of black people living in Hawaii at the time, a negro father and son would certainly stand out somewhat in the memories of people.

Where does it go from there?
I see three possibilities.

a - the idiot clerk add Baby Baracks's name to the list of announcements to be sent to the papers, but forgets to fill the certificate that has to be filed in the records of his office. Years later, Obama requests a certification of birth, is told that there is no certificate, and conspires with officials at the Department of Health to either forge a certificate or make up a bogus certification and lie about the existence of a certificate.

b - the idiot clerk grabs a blank certificate, but mommy Obama tells him not to bother and that just putting baby Barack's name announcements to be sent to the papers should be fine. Which means that she is clever enough to have her son's birth recorded, but stupid enough not to have it actually registered (also means that the clerk doesn't know the requirements for the registration for a summer job, but hey we already know he's a moron on a summer job). Years later, Obama requests a certification of birth, is told that there is no certificate, and conspires with officials at the Department of Health to either forge a certificate or make up a bogus certification and lie about the existence of a certificate.

c - the idiot clerk grabs a form, fills it with the information provided by mommy Obama, and files it. So, what we have there is a certification in the files of the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii. Which means that if the Department decided tomorrow to have a forensic expert look at the original document, the expert would find a document created in 1961, and would be in no position to notice the information on it is bogus.

This scenario is so plausible it's scary.

Or, since no doctor delivered the baby, there is no birth certificate signed by a doctor and, nothing is in the hospital until years later, when this discrepancy is addressed by either Obama himself, or, a routine check by the hospital administrator who then rectify it with say ............. a 1978 live birth certificate and, something like that may well be what is in the vault rather than an origional circ 1961 document signed by the doctor who delivered him or whatever.

Edited April 30, 2009 by KrustyKidd