Khadr - Court rules he must be Repatriated

[Radsickle]

Either way, I'm not too hurt by the likes of you both telling me I need to improve my comprehension.

Edited May 1, 2009 by Radsickle

[benny]

"Khadr was only 15 years old in July 2002, when U.S. authorities allege he threw the grenade that fatally wounded a U.S. medic in eastern Afghanistan." His brainwash has begun earlier. A child is not responsible for having been the instrument of his father.

It's all about child welfare protection. Omar was destined by his father to become a sociopath. The Canadian society has a responsibility toward children growing up in hateful (new) Canadian families.

An adult soldier who killed, in combat, another adult is no big deal unless there was, among them, a soldier recruited while still minor. The whole idea of differentiating adult and infant soldiers is to prevent/break the formation of a vicious cycle of violence.

[Keepitsimple]

"Khadr was only 15 years old in July 2002, when U.S. authorities allege he threw the grenade that fatally wounded a U.S. medic in eastern Afghanistan." His brainwash has begun earlier. A child is not responsible for having been the instrument of his father.

It's all about child welfare protection. Omar was destined by his father to become a sociopath. The Canadian society has a responsibility toward children growing up in hateful (new) Canadian families.

An adult soldier who killed, in combat, another adult is no big deal unless there was, among them, a soldier recruited while still minor. The whole idea of differentiating adult and infant soldiers is to prevent/break the formation of a vicious cycle of violence.

The "optional protocol to the convention on the rights of the child" which was put into effect in February 2002, defined a child soldier as someone under 18. Until then, it was under 15. The Protocol was put in place in reaction to the armies of child soldiers that were used in Africa - specifically Sierra Leone. Khadr was captured a few months later and at that time, the US was not a signatory to the agreement. Having said that, the US says that the protocol does not really apply to Khadr and when you see the articles, it's easy to understand why. One has to keep in context the motivating factor behind the protocol - the mass "conscription" of child soldiers in Africa. The Protocol is certainly ambiguous because it DOES allow soldiers under 18. Here are some of the articles with my bolding:

Article 1

States Parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that members of their armed forces who have not attained the age of 18 years do not take a direct part in hostilities.

Article 2

States Parties shall ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 18 years are not compulsorily recruited into their armed forces.

Article 3

1. States Parties shall raise the minimum age for the voluntary recruitment of persons into their national armed forces from that set out in article 38, paragraph 3, of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, taking account of the principles contained in that article and recognizing that under the Convention persons under the age of 18 years are entitled to special protection.

2. Each State Party shall deposit a binding declaration upon ratification of or accession to the present Protocol that sets forth the minimum age at which it will permit voluntary recruitment into its national armed forces and a description of the safeguards it has adopted to ensure that such recruitment is not forced or coerced.

3. States Parties that permit voluntary recruitment into their national armed forces under the age of 18 years shall maintain safeguards to ensure, as a minimum, that:

a. Such recruitment is genuinely voluntary;

b. Such recruitment is carried out with the informed consent of the person's parents or legal guardians;

c. Such persons are fully informed of the duties involved in such military service;

d. Such persons provide reliable proof of age prior to acceptance into national military service.

4. Each State Party may strengthen its declaration at any time by notification to that effect addressed to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall inform all States Parties. Such notification shall take effect on the date on which it is received by the Secretary-General.

5. The requirement to raise the age in paragraph 1 of the present article does not apply to schools operated by or under the control of the armed forces of the States Parties, in keeping with articles 28 and 29 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Article 4

1. Armed groups that are distinct from the armed forces of a State should not, under any circumstances, recruit or use in hostilities persons under the age of 18 years.

2. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to prevent such recruitment and use, including the adoption of legal measures necessary to prohibit and criminalize such practices.

3. The application of the present article shall not affect the legal status of any party to an armed conflict.

Link: http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/6/protocolchild.htm

Edited May 1, 2009 by Keepitsimple

[M.Dancer]

So you're not part of the recently misinformed who think this trial's just beginning and that Khadr hasn't been humiliated by the American's show trial for years already?

Your reading comprehension problems are just the start...writing in a fashion that is comprehensible also seems to challenge you.

Before, when Carl Rove controlled it, the trial would be halted while they fired a judge they disagreed with

Tinfoil

For you to sum it up as an `ongoing' trial makes me think you don't really care.

I believe that your reading problems inhibit your ability to think lucidly...I also believe anyone who calls these 'Show trials" is a fruitloop. If they were show trials they would operate like show trials...just goes to show how out of touch with reality the fruitloop crew are....

[M.Dancer]

or maybe it was this post

Maybe you would prefer they sawed his head off like Mr Pearl?

[benny]

The "optional protocol to the convention on the rights of the child" which was put into effect in February 2002, defined a child soldier as someone under 18. Until then, it was under 15. The Protocol was put in place in reaction to the armies of child soldiers that were used in Africa - specifically Sierra Leone. Khadr was captured a few months later and at that time, the US was not a signatory to the agreement. Having said that, the US says that the protocol does not really apply to Khadr and when you see the articles, it's easy to understand why. One has to keep in context the motivating factor behind the protocol - the mass "conscription" of child soldiers in Africa. The Protocol is certainly ambiguous because it DOES allow soldiers under 18.

Pitiful is a country that doesn't do and know better than the bare minimum written in a UN protocol.

[Sir Bandelot]

Today-

Gates got a hostile reception from several lawmakers over the idea of sending any high-security Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. mainland and the defense chief said he anticipated strong opposition to such a move.

"I fully expect to have 535 pieces of legislation before this is over saying: 'Not in my district. Not in my state.' And we'll just have to deal with that when the time comes," Gates told the Senate Appropriations Committee. "The president has made the decision to close Guantanamo. It's something that his predecessor should have done, something that I said should be done over a year ago," said Gates, who was also President George W. Bush's defense chief.

The cases of all 241 detainees held at Guantanamo are being reviewed and Gates expected 50-100 inmates would not go to other countries, be tried or released.

In preparation for this, Gates said the defense department had asked for $50 million "as a hedge" to allow building to begin to accommodate those detainees.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/090430/...bama_guantanamo

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Maybe they could build a new prison, on the island of Madagascar... some other guys thought it was a good solution once

Edited May 1, 2009 by Sir Bandelot

[benny]

Today-

Gates got a hostile reception from several lawmakers over the idea of sending any high-security Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. mainland and the defense chief said he anticipated strong opposition to such a move.

"I fully expect to have 535 pieces of legislation before this is over..."

Pitiful are countries crumbling over "legislative inflation".

[Radsickle]

Your reading comprehension problems are just the start...writing in a fashion that is comprehensible also seems to challenge you.

What's the problem, did I forget a comma? What part of the sentence you quoted couldn't you comprehend?

On May 29, 2008, Chief Judge Marine Col. Ralph Kohlmann unexpectedly dismissed Judge Brownback from Khadr’s case, replacing him with Army Col. Patrick Parrish.

The judge was dismissed because of his repeated rulings against the government.

[benny]

The judge was dismissed because of his repeated rulings against the government.

Under Bush, you could forget about the independence of the judiciary and the executive branches of power. Just remember Alberto Gonzales firing US attorneys for not being Republican enough!

[bush_cheney2004]

Under Bush, you could forget about the independence of the judiciary and the executive branches of power. Just remember Alberto Gonzales firing US attorneys for not being Republican enough!

Guess again.....US DoJ is part of the Executive Branch, not the Judiciary.

[Radsickle]

Under Bush, you could forget about the independence of the judiciary and the executive branches of power. Just remember Alberto Gonzales firing US attorneys for not being Republican enough!

Gonzales was hand-picked by the Bush gang for his fascist tendencies.

[benny]

Guess again.....US DoJ is part of the Executive Branch, not the Judiciary.

If Gonzales would not have been forced to resign, he would have continued to constrain Americans judges to try to tarnish the reputations of Democrat politicians.

[bush_cheney2004]

If Gonzales would not have been forced to resign, he would have continued to constrain Americans judges to try to tarnish the reputations of Democrat politicians.

And if pigs had wings they could fly.

[bush_cheney2004]

Gonzales was hand-picked by the Bush gang for his fascist tendencies.

I sure hope so...Gonzales was confirmed by an elected Senate 60 - 36......you don't get to pick.

[noahbody]

And if pigs had wings they could fly.

That would be a pandemic.

[Oleg Bach]

I sure hope so...Gonzales was confirmed by an elected Senate 60 - 36......you don't get to pick.

He was a shifty mafia like character unless I am mistaken..If you look like a hood - you usually are..

[benny]

And if pigs had wings they could fly.

Gonzales should try to find a magician job, he has some difficulties finding a new law-related job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/washingt...amp;oref=slogin

Edited May 2, 2009 by benny

[bush_cheney2004]

He was a shifty mafia like character unless I am mistaken..If you look like a hood - you usually are..

Of course....just look at the Liberals and Adscam!

[bush_cheney2004]

Gonzales should try to find a magician job, he has some difficulties finding a new law-related job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/washingt...amp;oref=slogin

That's what Bill Clinton did after being disbarred.....he is doing OK.

[benny]

Of course....just look at the Liberals and Adscam!

No relationship.

[bush_cheney2004]

No relationship.

The voters disagreed!

[benny]

The voters disagreed!

Votes don't cross borders.

[bush_cheney2004]

Votes don't cross borders.

Yes they do.....just ask Khadr.

[benny]

Yes they do.....just ask Khadr.

If votes could cross borders, Cubans would have closed Guantanamo.