August1991 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) Canada: Total sales were down 15 per cent nationally last month compared with March 2008, according to a tally released Wednesday by DesRosiers Automotive Consultants. CPUS: All major carmakers reported steep declines compared with a year ago, with General Motors down 45 per cent, Ford 41 per cent, and Toyota and Chrysler each down 39 per cent.Total sales dropped to an annual rate of 9.9m units from 15.1m in March 2008... FT---- There are three points to make: 1. We in Canada are possibly doing better than Americans. 2. We in Canada are possibly a trailing indicator of American events. (Look to California and you can see the future.) 3. Americans are eternal optimists. Even when sales are down 45% and the company is on the verge of bankruptcy, some American will find a way to spin this decline: Sales of new cars and trucks in March continued to be dismal, but there was a silver lining in the 36.8% drop in sales compared to the same month a year ago:The typical seasonal increase in sales between February and March was the strongest it’s been in three years. Detroit Free Press Edited April 2, 2009 by August1991 Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Do those numbers incluse the car we accepted delivery on on Monday? It;s important cause it's the first car we have bought in 10 years... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
August1991 Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Posted April 2, 2009 Do those numbers incluse the car we accepted delivery on on Monday?It;s important cause it's the first car we have bought in 10 years... I don't even know if the stats include Hummers, motorcycles or trucks.However the numbers are tabulated, it seems clear that Canada's sales are higher (have fallen less) than US sales. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 However the numbers are tabulated, it seems clear that Canada's sales are higher (have fallen less) than US sales. Canada has a slower fleet turnover rate, as Ford Canada reported on Monday. There is even a modest "scrappage" credit to encourage more turnover. I take this to mean that Canadian sales are less volatile even in the best of times. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Posted April 2, 2009 Canada has a slower fleet turnover rate, as Ford Canada reported on Monday. There is even a modest "scrappage" credit to encourage more turnover. I take this to mean that Canadian sales are less volatile even in the best of times.More spin.I admire American optimists. "With all this sh*t, there must be a pony somewhere!" Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 More spin.I admire American optimists. "With all this sh*t, there must be a pony somewhere!" There is.....current sales volume would mean nearly a 25 year fleet turnover rate, depending on platform and market segment. Annual sales will return to some level well above 9 million units, but probably not return to 16 million. Split the difference.....12.5 million. Hell, I'm in the market for a new car right now...incentives are good....as is the reason for optimism. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
August1991 Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) There is.....current sales volume would mean nearly a 25 year fleet turnover rate...And that's a question of reaching bottom, or maybe American families won't have four cars. They'll spend their money elsewhere.Annual sales will return to some level well above 9 million units, but probably not return to 16 million. Split the difference.....12.5 million. Hell, I'm in the market for a new car right now...incentives are good....as is the reason for optimism. More spin.US car (vehicle) sales have fallen more than Canadian car (vehicle) sales. Draw whatever conclusion you want from this fact but please don't pretend that this is good for the US aut (vehicle) market. True, auto inventories make it a buyers market - but maybe the deals will get better if you wait a month or two. Moreover, I'm inclined to believe that some Canadian buyers are behind the curve. Edited April 2, 2009 by August1991 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 More spin.US car (vehicle) sales have fallen more than Canadian car (vehicle) sales. Draw whatever conclusion you want from this fact but please don't pretend that this is good for the US aut (vehicle) market. Nobody said it was good.....you'll need to look elsewhere for a fight. True, auto inventories make it a buyers market - but maybe the deals will get better if you wait a month or two. Moreover, I'm inclined to believe that some Canadian buyers are behind the curve. I just want to buy a new car...not steal one. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Hell, I'm in the market for a new car right now...incentives are good....as is the reason for optimism. Still looking at the 370Z? Great looking car styled by a young guy from Surrey BC working for Nissan in San Diego I understand. Apparently a Z guy since a toddler, his dad having one of the first 240Z's. Hard not to right now, the incentives are amazing. Was quite taken by the Saab 9-3 Combi at the auto show the other day and the deals they are offering are fantastic but I'm a little leery of Saab's future even though they are still a part of GM. Fuel mileage isn't quite what I would like and the nearest dealer is 50 miles away. Too bad. Will probably go with another oil burner even though the deals aren't as good. Audi has an A3 diesel coming out in a few months. Maybe have a look at that if the premium over the VW isn't too high and it is available with quattro, might lean that way. Once the economy recovers fuel prices will likely go through the roof again as hardly anyone is drilling or exploring these days. Anyone buying a gas guzzler because of todays low fuel prices is taking a big risk IMO. What did you buy MD? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 Still looking at the 370Z? Great looking car styled by a young guy from Surrey BC working for Nissan in San Diego I understand. Apparently a Z guy since a toddler, his dad having one of the first 240Z's. Then he did a fine job, and fixed the unibody flex problem that required that awful space wasting brace in the rear hatch area. Now it has a semi usable deck, just like my old 240 Z's (1971 and 1972). Now you really know why I don't care about the GT-R. .... Once the economy recovers fuel prices will likely go through the roof again as hardly anyone is drilling or exploring these days. Anyone buying a gas guzzler because of todays low fuel prices is taking a big risk IMO. I wanted to see a Prius wagon this year, but it probably won't show up until at least 2011, but they did have the 3rd Gen Prius on display at 51 MPG. I liked the new Hyundai Elantra Touring hatchback as well for a grocery getter and utility vehicle. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted April 2, 2009 Report Posted April 2, 2009 I wanted to see a Prius wagon this year, but it probably won't show up until at least 2011, but they did have the 3rd Gen Prius on display at 51 MPG. I liked the new Hyundai Elantra Touring hatchback as well for a grocery getter and utility vehicle. My driving is mostly rural, town and highway. Not much city driving that's why I will likely stick with diesel. I like the Elantra Touring as well, much better looking than the sedan. I'm partial to hatches and wagons anyway. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 Then he did a fine job, and fixed the unibody flex problem that required that awful space wasting brace in the rear hatch area. Now it has a semi usable deck, just like my old 240 Z's (1971 and 1972). Now you really know why I don't care about the GT-R. I can, a buddy of mine bought a 240Z when they first came out. It was so far ahead of anything in its price range I couldn't believe it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
M.Dancer Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 What did you buy MD? Mazda 5. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Wilber Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 Mazda 5. Nice little car. Enjoy. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 I can, a buddy of mine bought a 240Z when they first came out. It was so far ahead of anything in its price range I couldn't believe it. Yea...too bad that they rusted away so quickly in northern climes from the salt. I totaled my '71 240Z into a ravine cinder block retaining wall near Baudette, MN...not far from the Canadian border (pilot error). I walked away with only a head wound from my unrestrained Escort radar detector! Sold my replacement Z because it was not compatible with infant car seats or associated "lifestyle". But now is a good time for a mid-life upgrade to a 370Z.....and I would carefully drive it past that wall this time. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 (edited) Mazda 5. Do all those commuter seats come out for lots of cargo space? Or do they just fold down / collapse into the floor? I bring a tape measure to the shows and dealers because they don't publish the width of the liftgate opening. Edited April 3, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted April 3, 2009 Report Posted April 3, 2009 Do all those commuter seats come out for lots of cargo space? Or do they just fold down / collapse into the floor?I bring a tape measure to the shows and dealers because they don't publish the width of the liftgate opening. the two rear seatsa fold perfectly into the floor, the middle seats fold down and the cargo space gate to front seats is 5' Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
August1991 Posted April 4, 2009 Author Report Posted April 4, 2009 Do all those commuter seats come out for lots of cargo space? Or do they just fold down / collapse into the floor?This thread is hilarious. Do all those commuter seats come out?In my case, I'm comfortable with the seats in my BMW. Bus, metro, walk. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4, 2009 Report Posted April 4, 2009 This thread is hilarious. Do all those commuter seats come out?In my case, I'm comfortable with the seats in my BMW. Bus, metro, walk. Interior seating for a Mazda 5: http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/...ry_MZ5_int2.jpg Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted April 4, 2009 Report Posted April 4, 2009 Interior seating for a Mazda 5:http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/...ry_MZ5_int2.jpg Mine didn't come with as many women... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
August1991 Posted April 5, 2009 Author Report Posted April 5, 2009 http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/images/...ry_MZ5_int2.jpgThat picture looks like an airplane or colleagues going to a retreat. I thought that such cars were built for large families. Quote
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