bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 ahahahaha you cynical clown! canadian illegals! who ? Jim Carrey? For some reason, Canadian illegals in the US think they are superior to the Mexican variety.....just because they can play hockey. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 For some reason, Canadian illegals in the US think they are superior to the Mexican variety.....just because they can play hockey. play hockey, speak english, share a common ancestry, have a common culture and are looking towards a are common destiny... no wonder you guys hate us so much! Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 play hockey, speak english, share a common ancestry, have a common culture and are looking towards a are common destiny... no wonder you guys hate us so much! Grown up American and Canadian children also plays with the same toys: Chrysler cars and trucks. Quote
Wilber Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Indeed...but why never a Canadian make? Even tiny Sweden has managed to do that. The car divisions of Saab and Volvo are now owned by GM and Ford respectively. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 absolutely, i'd totally get behind that! Australia's got Holden (well which is sorta like GM) but I do wonder why we never got around to making our own! We had Bricklin I think at one time... but like the Avro project got scrapped by american intervention. Holden is GM Australia, not sorta like. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Holden is GM Australia, not sorta like. ZENN (Zero Emission, No Noise) Motor Company (stock symbol ZNNMF) is a Canadian-based company that develops small, purely electric vehicles. Edited March 22, 2009 by benny Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 The car divisions of Saab and Volvo are now owned by GM and Ford respectively. Of course, but this was not always the case (for many years). Volvo Cars goes back to the 1920's and grew out of a ball bearing manufacturer. Integrating the engineering, design, manufacturing, and supply chain for automtoive production is the hallmark of advanced industrial capability. That this did not happen in Canada on a large scale without foreign investment is not explained by close proximity to the USA, as there are other examples in Europe. It should have happened, just as it did in Italy, France, UK, Sweden, Germany, Japan, India, etc. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) play hockey, speak english, share a common ancestry, have a common culture and are looking towards a are common destiny... Not so common ancestry or destiny.....also, America's development included a significant Hispanic element that continues to this day. We also don't fight with Quebec (anymore). Edited March 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Not so common ancestry or destiny.....also, America's development included a significant Hispanic element that continues to this day. We also don't fight with Quebec. Humanity as a whole has a common ancestry and destiny. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Humanity as a whole has a common ancestry and destiny. Really? Then what happened to Homo floresiensis (pygmy humans). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Really? Then what happened to Homo floresiensis (pygmy humans). They didn't die in a car crash for sure. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 They didn't die in a car crash for sure. ....and didn't share a common "destiny". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 ....and didn't share a common "destiny". Death is our common destiny. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Death is our common destiny. ....as it is for dogs and cats.....so are we all brothers and sisters? Woof! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) ....as it is for dogs and cats.....so are we all brothers and sisters? Woof! Let's face it; humans have a very unique relationship to their deaths. Edited March 22, 2009 by benny Quote
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Not so common ancestry or destiny.....also, America's development included a significant Hispanic element that continues to this day. We also don't fight with Quebec (anymore). spanish element? who would dream to even think that america was a european/latino country? ever in its history? well actually perhaps it has been for the past 15-20 years... but never before that... america was by and for European expatriates.... as was canada. and there were LAWS to keep it that way. That america was lost in the 60's... but you cannot seriously claim Hispanics as a significant founding stock... they formed no part of polite society and indeed no part of any framework of race, nation or country and nearly 100% of america's history. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 spanish element? who would dream to even think that america was a european/latino country? ever in its history? well actually perhaps it has been for the past 15-20 years... but never before that... america was by and for European expatriates.... as was canada. and there were LAWS to keep it that way. That america was lost in the 60's... but you cannot seriously claim Hispanics as a significant founding stock... they formed no part of polite society and indeed no part of any framework of race, nation or country and nearly 100% of america's history. I don't like to see threads going off topic. Quote
Wilber Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Of course, but this was not always the case (for many years). Volvo Cars goes back to the 1920's and grew out of a ball bearing manufacturer. Integrating the engineering, design, manufacturing, and supply chain for automtoive production is the hallmark of advanced industrial capability. That this did not happen in Canada on a large scale without foreign investment is not explained by close proximity to the USA, as there are other examples in Europe. It should have happened, just as it did in Italy, France, UK, Sweden, Germany, Japan, India, etc. Saab and Volvo are not just car companies, Saab is heavily involved in aerospace and armaments. Volvo has a large marine division as well as being a major truck and heavy equipment manufacturer. Both these companies shed their car divisions because of the costs involved in developing new vehicles for the international market. The cost of developing the technology to remain competitive plus meet today's emissions and safety standards is prohibitive except for the largest companies these days unless you build exotics that people are willing to pay megabucks for. Look at how many formerly independent European manufacturers have either gone out of business or been absorbed in the past 30 years. Canada did at one time have independent manufacturers but they either died or like McLaughlin were taken over by one of the big three, just as many smaller American manufacturers were take over the same way. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
benny Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Saab and Volvo are not just car companies, Saab is heavily involved in aerospace and armaments. Volvo has a large marine division as well as being a major truck and heavy equipment manufacturer. Both these companies shed their car divisions because of the costs involved in developing new vehicles for the international market. The cost of developing the technology to remain competitive plus meet today's emissions and safety standards is prohibitive except for the largest companies these days unless you build exotics that people are willing to pay megabucks for. Look at how many formerly independent European manufacturers have either gone out of business or been absorbed in the past 30 years.Canada did at one time have independent manufacturers but they either died or like McLaughlin were taken over by one of the big three, just as many smaller American manufacturers were take over the same way. I think you are in a false debate since Bombardier has everything needed to build cars. Quote
Topaz Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 If companies and certain governments succeed of wiping out the unions in this country then you will see the middle-income class die. There will be only the rich and the poor and there will be more poor than rich. You will see more unemployment because the worker will not have any protection from the company that can fire them on the spot! Now I would think a government would help protect the middle-income earner , after, we are the most taxpayers in this country and the rich always bitch about paying more taxes! You see more dishonesty in the managment level of a company then the unions. Our area, the CAW, collected 3 truck loads of food for the food bank which was very low plus they all threw money in about $2000.00. If you don't like unions, then that's your choice but some areas benefit from what unions give BACK to the community! Quote
Wilber Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 I think you are in a false debate since Bombardier has everything needed to build cars. So did Volvo and Saab but they got out of the car business. Skoda could be looked at as the Czech equivalent of Bombardier. It divested its car division to VW in the early nineties. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 I think you are in a false debate since Bombardier has everything needed to build cars. Agreed....Canada did develop a domestic aerospace capability, with some help from the UK and nationalizations in the past. For some reason, a Canadian automotive make did not survive the leap. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 If companies and certain governments succeed of wiping out the unions in this country then you will see the middle-income class die. There will be only the rich and the poor and there will be more poor than rich. You will see more unemployment because the worker will not have any protection from the company that can fire them on the spot! Now I would think a government would help protect the middle-income earner , after, we are the most taxpayers in this country and the rich always bitch about paying more taxes! You see more dishonesty in the managment level of a company then the unions. Our area, the CAW, collected 3 truck loads of food for the food bank which was very low plus they all threw money in about $2000.00. If you don't like unions, then that's your choice but some areas benefit from what unions give BACK to the community! actually trade unions are what makes us loose jobs to more competitive countries. Unions run the cost of business high and squander far too much time on industrial relations... If we want a truly "MADE IN CANADA" car- we'd have to do it without unions... Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) spanish element? who would dream to even think that america was a european/latino country? ever in its history? well actually perhaps it has been for the past 15-20 years... but never before that... america was by and for European expatriates.... as was canada. and there were LAWS to keep it that way. This is off topic, but you are not expected to know US history. Start with Spain and Mexico. That america was lost in the 60's... but you cannot seriously claim Hispanics as a significant founding stock... they formed no part of polite society and indeed no part of any framework of race, nation or country and nearly 100% of america's history. You are sadly mistaken.....America is more diverse than Canada, and always has been. Edited March 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lictor616 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 This is off topic, but you are not expected to know US history. Start with Spain and Mexico.You are sadly mistaken.....America is more diverse than Canada, and always has been. Did I doubt that America was more "diverse" (whatever that weasel word means) then canada? If you want that lamentable prize ... go ahead. but please show me when the forefathers we're planning 1776 with chicanos and "essays" - ... Hispanics always were seen as alien and brutish ... and again NEVER FORMED ANY PART OF AMERICAN SOCIETY. Quote -Magna Europa Est Patria Nostra-
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