Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Oh, get a grip! Not agreeing is not an option, Alta! THAT answer from a science (or education) minister-- that there might be any serious doubt about evolution-- is not only unacceptable, but deeply, deeply embarrassing to us all. Fine don't agree with this man personal beleis but his stance on evolution does not mean that he is incapable of doing his job. Their is a lot more to science and research then wether or not evolution, creationism, or intellegent design is how we got to be what we are. Its funny how you people focus in on one little aspect when it is a conservative, i doubt this ever would have made the papers had this been a catholic liberal. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 So?They can believe the moon is made out of freaking cheese if they want to. There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs and being able to do your job. The funny thing among leftists is that discrimination is bad, but we're allowed to discriminate against Christians. There are laws that are in place that combat discrimination against religion. Christianity is also a religion, they get the same perks as all the rest. Another stupid thread created by a leftist tinfoil hatist. There's something very wrong with someone being in charge of science funding who thinks one of the major areas of science is false because of their religious beliefs. It's rather like putting a mobster in charge of the Ministry of Justice. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Fine don't agree with this man personal beleis but his stance on evolution does not mean that he is incapable of doing his job. Their is a lot more to science and research then wether or not evolution, creationism, or intellegent design is how we got to be what we are. Its funny how you people focus in on one little aspect when it is a conservative, i doubt this ever would have made the papers had this been a catholic liberal. Funny thing about Catholics, the Vatican has put some effort recently into its support evolutionary biology, and rejections of Creationism. The reason it wouldn't be an issue is because it would be much harder to find Catholic Creationists. The Church, unlike some Protestant sects, doesn't insist on literal interpretations of the Bible. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Those that believe this is a huge accident and are waiting for a miracle when the miracle is life itself are fools - of course there is an intelligent force on earth and in the limitless universe - You can not have this without intelligence - although some prefere a non-intelligent force - seeing they are not intelligent and resent God which is intelligence. Which has exactly what to do with evolution? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Funny thing about Catholics, the Vatican has put some effort recently into its support evolutionary biology, and rejections of Creationism. The reason it wouldn't be an issue is because it would be much harder to find Catholic Creationists. The Church, unlike some Protestant sects, doesn't insist on literal interpretations of the Bible. The Vatican is nuts - now they say that it's just fine if we believe in alien life forms - THERE ARE NO FLYING SAUCERS OR PEOPLE OUT THERE - I GUARENTEE IT - WE ARE ALONE. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Obviously he is, and one of those particularly ignorant and obnoxious kinds that assumes that Christianity is somehow opposed to particular brands of science.Yet another reason to reject the Tories. What other party would put a Creationist in charge of science funding. What a pathetic mockery this party is making this country. "So I'm not fussy on this business that we already know everything. … I think we need to recognize that we don't know.” From your artical, sounds like he wants to find out more and support scientific study. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 The Vatican is nuts - now they say that it's just fine if we believe in alien life forms - THERE ARE NO FLYING SAUCERS OR PEOPLE OUT THERE - I GUARENTEE IT - WE ARE ALONE. Quite frankly, I don't really take the pronouncements of someone as mentally disturbed as you to seriously. At any rate, one of the first lessons of science and basic logic is that you can't prove a negative. At any rate, this doesn't have anything to do with evolution either. The point here is that evolution is not incompatible with theism. Evolution is not about disproving God, atheism or anything else along those lines. It's a simple statement; the genetic makeup of a population changes over time. If you want to believe that God gives it a helping hand, as a lot of Christians and other theistic evolutionists believe, then so be it. It's not incompatible with the theory, it's just that that belief is not itself science. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 "So I'm not fussy on this business that we already know everything. … I think we need to recognize that we don't know.”From your artical, sounds like he wants to find out more and support scientific study. The guy basically asserted that evolution is incompatible with Christianity. That is false, it is incompatible with certain Christian churches. Christianity, if we take that to mean the major Churches like Catholicism, Episcopalianism and the like, really does not assert that evolution is contrary to Christian beliefs, mainly because such churches don't rely on ludicrous literalistic interpretations of the Bible. If I were a scientist in this country, I'd be pretty damned nervous. Evolution is hardly the only branch of science that an anti-intellectual twit like this would have problems with. Geology, astronomy and cosmology all come to mind as branches of science that falsify literal interpretations of Genesis. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Funny thing about Catholics, the Vatican has put some effort recently into its support evolutionary biology, and rejections of Creationism. The reason it wouldn't be an issue is because it would be much harder to find Catholic Creationists. The Church, unlike some Protestant sects, doesn't insist on literal interpretations of the Bible. So much wrong here I don't even know where to begin..... What funding was cut by the government do we know that, does it relate to this debate? Has someone with creationist beleifs held this post before? Do we know what church this man belongs to? Did we ask these questions when a person who beleived in communist and facist ideals, and the science of eugenics ran this country.....no why because he was a liberal, like i said this iartical is a drive by smear. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 The guy basically asserted that evolution is incompatible with Christianity. That is false, it is incompatible with certain Christian churches. Christianity, if we take that to mean the major Churches like Catholicism, Episcopalianism and the like, really does not assert that evolution is contrary to Christian beliefs, mainly because such churches don't rely on ludicrous literalistic interpretations of the Bible. Do you have quote to back this up? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 So much wrong here I don't even know where to begin..... What funding was cut by the government do we know that, does it relate to this debate? Has someone with creationist beleifs held this post before? Do we know what church this man belongs to? Did we ask these questions when a person who beleived in communist and facist ideals, and the science of eugenics ran this country.....no why because he was a liberal, like i said this iartical is a drive by smear. Does it matter? He asserted that a question on evolution is somehow a religious question. Do you think asking someone if they accept biological evolution is a religious question? What sort of theology would you think someone would have to have to consider the question a religious one? We're not retards. It's fairly obvious the guy's a Creationist, because only Creationists consider the question a religious one. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Do you have quote to back this up? From http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03...-evolution.html "I'm not going to answer that question," Goodyear, federal minister of state for science and technology, told the Globe and Mail in an article published Tuesday morning. "I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate." Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Does it matter? He asserted that a question on evolution is somehow a religious question. Do you think asking someone if they accept biological evolution is a religious question? What sort of theology would you think someone would have to have to consider the question a religious one? We're not retards. It's fairly obvious the guy's a Creationist, because only Creationists consider the question a religious one. NO they don't I beleive in itellegent design, I beleive the question is a religious one. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
capricorn Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I don't think its possible for him to do his job and believe what he believes. It's rather unacceptable. I'm sure someone else could fill this ministerial position. It's looking like only the appointment of an atheist to this job would satisfy the critics. Or again, someone who would publicly disavow his/her religion. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 From http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/03...-evolution.html"I'm not going to answer that question," Goodyear, federal minister of state for science and technology, told the Globe and Mail in an article published Tuesday morning. "I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate." You are making an assumption here, going to have to better then this. i want a quote were Mr. goodyear states that evolution is incompatible with christianity. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 NO they don't I beleive in itellegent design, I beleive the question is a religious one. Now what sort of ID is it that you believe in? Do you mean Intelligent Design, as in the dishonest attempt by the Discovery Institute down in the US to sneak past the First Amendment by removing the words Creationism and God and replacing it with Designer, or is this just some sort of generalistic "I think God had something to do with it"? Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 You are making an assumption here, going to have to better then this. i want a quote were Mr. goodyear states that evolution is incompatible with christianity. The quote is clear enough, as is your dishonestly attempting to cast into doubt what they guy actually said. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 It's looking like only the appointment of an atheist to this job would satisfy the critics. Or again, someone who would publicly disavow his/her religion. That's an outright lie. There are plenty of Christians who accept evolution. Having someone who clearly does not responsible for science funding in this country is inappropriate. Quote
guyser Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Is he a creationist or a beleiver of intellegent design? Might as well ask is he dumb or dumber? Beside you mention the face of fact, I have seen no factual evidence about how man came to be just competing theories. The article said it is accepted as fact . One is science , the other is faith. Never the twain shall meet. You just don't like this guy because he is a conservative and you are lookign for something to discredit this person. First off, I dont know this man and had never heard of him before now. Dont care that he is a Con , obviously in more ways than one. Do you have any proof that this fellow can't do the job he has been asigned, or is all you have is his faith and religion? Yes, he wont answer the question. Enough for me. I dont know nor would I ask his religion.It is against the law. Same way as in an interview someone asks if you are bondable. They certainly are not allowed to ask if you have a police record. Quote
guyser Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Its funny how you people focus in on one little aspect when it is a conservative, i doubt this ever would have made the papers had this been a catholic liberal. I dont think anyone gives two figs what his religion is. And if it were a Lib, I would be just as dumbfounded. Stupidity knows no political affiliation...obviously. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I dont think anyone gives two figs what his religion is. And if it were a Lib, I would be just as dumbfounded.Stupidity knows no political affiliation...obviously. It's hardly helpful for the Tories, who have expended so much effort on being middle of the road, only to reveal the guy who decides who gets what in science funding is a Creationist who thinks a major branch of science is a matter of religious belief. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 The quote is clear enough, as is your dishonestly attempting to cast into doubt what they guy actually said. You are the one putting words in his mouth, as I said find me that quote. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 It's hardly helpful for the Tories, who have expended so much effort on being middle of the road, only to reveal the guy who decides who gets what in science funding is a Creationist who thinks a major branch of science is a matter of religious belief. A major branch of science? What major banch is that? you are playing parsian politics. You have yet to proveide a link to anything that the Mr. Goodyear has stated that which supports your arguement. All you have a small snipits that you have editorialized with the hopes for smearing this man. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Might as well ask is he dumb or dumber? So you know how life started on this planet you of course have scientific experiments to back this up that have been duplicated by other scientists. The article said it is accepted as fact . One is science , the other is faith. Never the twain shall meet. Science and theories are continually evovling, and what was accepted as scientific facts (held by consensus) have been disproven continuously throughout history, what makes you think that all the theroies that the main stream holds are correct? First off, I dont know this man and had never heard of him before now. Dont care that he is a Con , obviously in more ways than one.Yes, he wont answer the question. Enough for me. I dont know nor would I ask his religion.It is against the law. Same way as in an interview someone asks if you are bondable. They certainly are not allowed to ask if you have a police record. So until you have some proof that he will stop all scintific research you have nothing to say about hi appointment. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 In other news.... there are no old order Amish aspiring to be ministers of technology... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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