Republicans

[jdobbin]

The debate seems to be on right now, some of it prodded by the Democrats but some Republicans are taking up the cause and writing about it. In the last days, Megahn McCain has written about Anne Coulter. David Frum has written about Rush Limbaugh. Both have been brutally attacked and told to take a hike basically.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29635270/

Meghan McCain calls Coulter a '''train wreck'' who can bring ''disaster'' to the Republican Party. The 24-year-old senator's daughter says Coulter is ''offensive, radical, insulting and confusing all at the same time.''

McCain called Coulter the ''poster woman'' for the most extreme side of the Republican Party. Referring to Coulter's record of making controversial statements, she asked: ''Does she really believe all Jewish people should be 'perfected' and become Christians?''

Some Republicans are saying they need to turn more to the right, notably Huckabee. Pawlenty concurred that this is what needs to be done. That might be true if they were referring to fiscal conservativism but it seems they mean more to the right everywhere.

[Shady]

Some Republicans are saying they need to turn more to the right, notably Huckabee. Pawlenty concurred that this is what needs to be done. That might be true if they were referring to fiscal conservativism but it seems they mean more to the right everywhere.

My feeling is that they're absolutely referring to fiscal conservativism. As for Meghan McCain, who is she to be saying anything? She's the daughter of a Senator, who's what, 20 years old? What kind of weight does she carry on any issue? If Meghan McCain is considered a Republican, then is Sasha Obama considered a Democrat?

[jdobbin]

My feeling is that they're absolutely referring to fiscal conservativism.

Your feeling is or you know? I ask because the recent conservative conference was talking about all things right including abortion, death penalty, torture, birth control, religion and other social conservative ideas.

As for Meghan McCain, who is she to be saying anything? She's the daughter of a Senator, who's what, 20 years old? What kind of weight does she carry on any issue? If Meghan McCain is considered a Republican, then is Sasha Obama considered a Democrat?

I assume 24 year olds can vote and be party members. She was a convert from the Democrats to the Republicans and expresses misgivings about people who think Jews should be converted to Christianity.

As for the Obama kids, they are not old enough to vote or be party members from what my understanding is.

Edited March 12, 2009 by jdobbin

[Shady]

I assume 24 year olds can vote and be party members

Yep, at 24, one can vote, and be a party member. I'm still trying to figure out how she's a Republican authority on anything. But I think I know the reason. She criticized Ann Coulter. If she had criticized Barack Obama, she wouldn't be taken seriously.

Your feeling is or you know? I ask because the recent conservative conference was talking about all things right including abortion, death penalty, torture, birth control, religion and other social conservative ideas.

A recent conference call attended by whom? And I disagree with your entire preimse. It's not "extremist" to be pro-life, pro-death penalty in certain cases, etc. In fact, your characterization of it being extremist, is extremist.

[eyeball]

Some Republicans are saying they need to turn more to the right, notably Huckabee. Pawlenty concurred that this is what needs to be done. That might be true if they were referring to fiscal conservativism but it seems they mean more to the right everywhere.

Whatever they mean I think they'll end up steering more towards authoritarianism myself.

They probably stand a pretty good chance that Obama will fail to do anything to turn the economy around and in four or five years people will be ready for...change.

That's not a political pendulum that's been swinging back and forth over our heads its a wrecking ball and its picking up more momentum with each and every swing.

[jdobbin]

Yep, at 24, one can vote, and be a party member. I'm still trying to figure out how she's a Republican authority on anything. But I think I know the reason. She criticized Ann Coulter. If she had criticized Barack Obama, she wouldn't be taken seriously.

Actually, she was followed throughout the campaign and was taken seriously and did criticize Obama.

A recent conference call attended by whom? And I disagree with your entire preimse. It's not "extremist" to be pro-life, pro-death penalty in certain cases, etc. In fact, your characterization of it being extremist, is extremist.

I am referring to the CPAC conference on February 26 to 28 attended by Rush Limbaugh, John Bolton, Tucker Carlson, Mike Huckabee and various House reps.

And the one who categorized what he was seeing was extreme was David Frum who was told to go back to Canada by Mark Levin acolytes. That is pretty extreme since he is a U.S. citizen.

[bush_cheney2004]

...That's not a political pendulum that's been swinging back and forth over our heads its a wrecking ball and its picking up more momentum with each and every swing.

...wrong pendulum....different country.

[Oleg Bach]

...wrong pendulum....different country.

Don't confuse them...now stop with the cryptic stuff...see you later B C ---- if you were in the overly politically correct Canada your initials would not mean before Christ - the would mean Before The Common Era....How well do you expect a nation to thrive when one of the founders of civilization is tossed into the garbage - and replaced by a poitically correct turn that makes old bearded hippy acedemics feel important?

[WIP]

Yep, at 24, one can vote, and be a party member. I'm still trying to figure out how she's a Republican authority on anything. But I think I know the reason. She criticized Ann Coulter. If she had criticized Barack Obama, she wouldn't be taken seriously.

I'm surprised you can't figure out why Megan McCain's blog entries get so much attention -- well, actually her looks provide an opportunity to post her pictures, but that's the 2nd reason -- there is an obvious assumption by media pundits that daughter Meghan is a sock puppet for John McCain, and voices the things he wants said, but doesn't want his own name attached to.

Any sane Republican who wants to keep his job or run for higher office as a Republican has a vested interest in weakening the power that know-nothing pundits - Limbaugh and Coulter have over angry, bitter, racist, sexist, xenophobic rank and file Republicans. These two keep raising the level of bombast to appeal to their audience, but they are poison outside of the Republican Party, and combined, they are walking billboards of greed, gluttony, ignorance, hypocrisy and every other vice that non-Republicans see in the GOP....it shouldn't be surprising that moderates and Neocons like David Frum want these two bozos off the main stage.

A recent conference call attended by whom? And I disagree with your entire preimse. It's not "extremist" to be pro-life, pro-death penalty in certain cases, etc. In fact, your characterization of it being extremist, is extremist.

In the past, before the Bush Era, most Republicans would claim to be tough on crime and pro life, but had the good sense not antagonize the middleground by fighting for aggressive legislation to restrict abortion and hire private contractors to build more prisons. Abortion is only a winning Republican issue when it is in the rhetorical stage -- once they start persecuting women seeking abortion services, people start to realize that this is a complicated, real life issue and support for the pro life cause plummets.

On the death penalty, a large segment of the public is starting to clue in to the fact that the states with the most executions, also have the highest violent crime rates. The death penalty is only a deterent to normal, rational thinking people; it doesn't deter psychopaths and others who are too slow-witted to think through the consequences if they get caught. If the new government has the stones to end the War on Drugs, they could fire all of the private prison contractors and save Mexico from being completely overrun by drug gangs.

[bush_cheney2004]

Don't confuse them...now stop with the cryptic stuff...see you later B C ---- if you were in the overly politically correct Canada your initials would not mean before Christ - the would mean Before The Common Era....

Right...even J.C. was a republican....

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's

The Americans have Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Communists, etc....and all are seemingly of more interest than domestic offerings (or pendulums).

Fear not......that long winter is almost over.

[Oleg Bach]

Right...even J.C. was a republican....

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's

The Americans have Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Communists, etc....and all are seemingly of more interest than domestic offerings (or pendulums).

Fear not......that long winter is almost over.

This above to thine own self be true, thou canst not then be false to any other man" - there you go faney pants-- Translate the Caesar bit and to me it is saying - as far as taxes and paying tribute in the form of bail outs etc.. Give to the powers that be what truely belongs to them and give to God what is Gods' - seeing God supposedly owns the whole thing - that would leave nothing for the state! Especially if the current STATE of affairs is and has not taken proper care of the state - which is us - in other words - don't reward lazy stupid and greedy people with retirement funds and call it national bailouts.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... If the new government has the stones to end the War on Drugs, they could fire all of the private prison contractors and save Mexico from being completely overrun by drug gangs.

But apparently...not Canada !

[Oleg Bach]

Right...even J.C. was a republican....

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's

The Americans have Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Communists, etc....and all are seemingly of more interest than domestic offerings (or pendulums).

Fear not......that long winter is almost over.

JC was actually the first corporate leader - He had a board of directors and new that they would never regain the Judaic kingdom without funds - so they started merging with the towns folk - a kind of quiet finacial rebellion..They pooled their resourses - and created a network that quickly stretch to the far reaches of the Roman empire - The so-called authorities did not really care about idealogy - They cared about the money and the control of the money supply - J Cs great error was when he interfered with the banking community and took a whip an kicked over the bank counter - well that got Caesars attention - and that was the begining of the end - don't mess with the empires cash - religion sure - but not the lucre --- when my brother and I were about to launch litigation - We stood in a parking lot and I asked my brother "What is their God?" - he replied "money" - I said how can we hurt them -------through what they loved most - MONEY - we did not win but they sure bled a lot defending their bank.

It cost them more to defend than what they would have paid in head ache and damages - They attacked what we loved most - our children - so we went after their little green backs... I will admit it here - That we stuck to the truth and let them lie their way into a corner..I used the old Christian doctrines and they did not have a clue what was going on or what to do...It was dangerous - but two brothers back to back with swords in hand - fighting at the castle gates - I do admit - waging war against the man was a thrill -- and you know me I love to talk and write - but I would never do it again - all it did was teach nasty people how good people think - just made them stronger - but gained their respect - The system only abuses the unaware (like kicking a dog because it does not know it is being abused and if it did it could not articulate the abuse) - First thing I had to do was shake off the fear - Once the fear was gone they were in serious trouble - the tables turned - all are controled though emotion and fear - and all systems attack at the weakest point - but to attack children was where I drew the line..

"If you harm on of these little ones you will wish you were never born and a mill stone should be tied to your neck an YOU will be tossed into the ocean" That was my credo for over 5 years......okay - yes it was fun and driving out of town with cop escorts as we cracked open the gin and cooler mixers - we were pirates and the cops just loved us.. Because they are also abuse buy corruption..no cops no standing army - you must respect your cops - and the system did not -