Job Seekers overwhelm Federal Website.

[madmax]

"Unfortunately, we have unprecedented numbers of people looking to the job bank," Ms. Finley said.

It's not just the Job bank its everything EI handles, it is overwhelmed.

Ottawa is using the same argument to explain increasing lineups at Service Canada offices and delays to process employment insurance claims.

"It's a convenient excuse for government," he said. "We hear this over and over again with respect to servicing unemployed workers, that they're not equipped to handle the volume."

Finley is not a competent Minister. She is a party hack. It would be better if they put her on the backbench. There are competent people in the current government who actually do try to do a good job and take being in cabinet seriously.

[Molly]

Hear, hear.

[neutralguy]

Embarassing.

[Michael Hardner]

But when has government ever done better than this ?

We need to revisit the idea of 'running government like a business'. That fight died out 10 years ago, but services didn't improve as a result of that discussion. The public needs to apply persistent pressure on government to provide adequate services, not just in times of crisis and breakdown.

[madmax]

But when has government ever done better than this ?

We need to revisit the idea of 'running government like a business'. That fight died out 10 years ago, but services didn't improve as a result of that discussion. The public needs to apply persistent pressure on government to provide adequate services, not just in times of crisis and breakdown.

I understand what you mean. But if the business concept is used, we have a Supply and Demand issue happening. High Demand for Service Canada Services.... and not enough supply of services to meet the increase. This has been a trend for 3 years but it has picked up alot of steam since August 08. If the Federal Government is making budgets and cannot grasp after seeing 120,000 people thrown out of work in January alone, that they have to be ready for the next big waves, then they need to resign whoever is in charge and put someone competent in.

This is NOT a surprise to anyone.

So.... what would you suggest be done?

[jdobbin]

So.... what would you suggest be done?

Privatize it and sell it to Monster?

[Alta4ever]

Privatize it and sell it to Monster?

Wow

[jdobbin]

Wow

Isn't that what real conservatives want?

[Alta4ever]

Isn't that what real conservatives want?

And here I thought that was what you wanted.

[Smallc]

Actually, I would be quite ok with privatizing something like that.

[Molly]

I just figure it's worth remembering come election time: EI was very, very badly managed. We might wish to replace the manager.

[jdobbin]

And here I thought that was what you wanted.

I do want the job postings privatized.

[Alta4ever]

I just figure it's worth remembering come election time: EI was very, very badly managed. We might wish to replace the manager.

Because of website trouble? Have these laid off workers been getting their cheques? Have they ben getting service when they go into an EI office. Has the core service suffered? Can y ou get all of that because of server troubles?

[madmax]

Because of website trouble? Have these laid off workers been getting their cheques?

Yes, and No. Many are not getting cheques of anykind, because they do not qualify. But the JOB BANK has SFA with regards to getting a cheque. That said, it was Dianne Finley who said she wouldn't pay people to stay home. She is making good on her word. 2,100 people in her riding just lost their job and have not been able to apply for 5 days.

Have they ben getting service when they go into an EI office.

You have EI offices? It is the keyboard today. However, yes their are EI offices with 2 or 3 people that could try to handle the volume. However, it still is done on computer at EI regardless of whether you have an EI office or not. They may or may not help you with the keystrokes. The EI office can no more provide the Missing JOB BANK then can logging onto Service Canada from your home. Companies cannot post JOBS to a site that is DOWN. People cannot retrieve Resumes or forward from a site that is DOWN.

Has the core service suffered? Can y ou get all of that because of server troubles?

Virtually everything is tied to the server. What is interesting is that these MIA days with Service Canada are a regular feature. It just so happens to be that the servers are now going down when more people need them, as opposed to when fewer people needed them.

The people in the EI offices are competent. But what is the point in phoning them.... oh the phone lines had wait times exceeding 4 hours, when they say, "there is nothing we can do, our systems are down, we know about the problem and are working on it.

Stop trying to blame the people looking for a job.

Finley needs to get her act together, but that won't happen. Someone competent needs to take over. This is going to be one of the most important ministries in the next year or two, and we rely on a party hack who's only talent is warming a seat and chicken nodding in question period.

[Alta4ever]

Stop trying to blame the people looking for a job.

Who was blaming them, but their are other services they can use who post many many more jobs, like monster and workopolis, and various other job boards.

I found my current job posted on an industry related online job board, I sure wasn't utilizing "government service" something that is in it self an oxymoron.

Edited March 11, 2009 by Alta4ever

[Alta4ever]

People need to stop reling on the government to solve their problems, do like you parents and their parents had to sovle it yourself.

Their are two benefits to doing it this way 1. it is a much much quicker solution 2. To do it you have to drop the victim mentality, and when this leaves, you tend to live a much more happy and rewarding life.

Edited March 11, 2009 by Alta4ever

[OddSox]

Someone competent needs to take over.

I know, let's get the people who set up the gun registry!

[Michael Hardner]

madmax,

I understand what you mean. But if the business concept is used, we have a Supply and Demand issue happening. High Demand for Service Canada Services.... and not enough supply of services to meet the increase. This has been a trend for 3 years but it has picked up alot of steam since August 08. If the Federal Government is making budgets and cannot grasp after seeing 120,000 people thrown out of work in January alone, that they have to be ready for the next big waves, then they need to resign whoever is in charge and put someone competent in.

This is NOT a surprise to anyone.

So.... what would you suggest be done?

I suggest that EI be set up as a separate entity. It funds itself, I understand, so it would likely be providing funds to the government rather than the other way around. A board of directors would govern how it would operate, although overall policy would be still be set by government ministries.

There needs to be a stronger direct connection between this service and the people who use it and fund it. Right now, there are surrogates, delegates, appointees and interlopers in between me and the person in the EI office that weigh down the system, and make it unresponsive and expensive.

I suspect that similar approaches can be taken with other government departments.

[madmax]

Who was blaming them,

You were, are don't try to pretend you weren't. You were taking a poke at those people using the service rather then those who are to provide the service.

[madmax]

I found my current job posted on an industry related online job board, I sure wasn't utilizing "government service" something that is in it self an oxymoron.

Pat yourself on the back. 95% of people find their jobs through networking, friends, family and previous job aquaintances.

I still expect government to do its job and not come up with feeble excuses.

[Alta4ever]

Pat yourself on the back. 95% of people find their jobs through networking, friends, family and previous job aquaintances.

I still expect government to do its job and not come up with feeble excuses.

Finding me employment is not one of the jobs government is ment to do. That is a personal responsiblity.....I know its something that the leftists, feel good liberals, and socialist don't beleive in, to them everything should just be handed to you because since you were born you are entitled to it.

Edited March 11, 2009 by Alta4ever

[guyser]

.....I know its something that the leftists, feel good liberals, and socialist don't beleive in,

Ah....only about 5 % of the pop. so nothing to worry about.

[madmax]

Finding me employment is not one of the jobs government is ment to do. That is a personal responsiblity.....I know its something that the leftists, feel good liberals, and socialist don't beleive in, to them everything should just be handed to you because since you were born you are entitled to it.

hmm.

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[madmax]

I know, let's get the people who set up the gun registry!

ROTFLMAO

[Smallc]

Finding me employment is not one of the jobs government is meant to do.

In your opinion of course. I know of nowhere that it says that the government can't provide such services.