Stephen Harper can't win the election being Stephe

[maplesyrup]

In the first week of the 2000 election campaign, the Canadian Alliance, led by Stockwell Day, was at 29 per cent in the polls. Joe Clark's old Tories were at about 11 per cent. Total: 40. Today, the two parties have combined their forces, the Liberal government is reeling from a searing scandal and the new Harper Conservatives, despite all the fanfare, are trudging along at a sluggish 27 per cent. Stock minus two.

Stephen Harper can't win the election being Stephen Harper

I thought this guy Harper was a dud from day one.

Totally void of charisma.

Conservatives by their choice of leader have assured the Liberals of another majority government.

It is all up to to Jack Layton and the NDP now.

[August1991]

Totally void of charisma.

It is all up to to Jack Layton and the NDP now.

You don't know English Canada. Bland works. When was the last time Canada had a charismatic leader? Trudeau? Diefenbaker? What happened?

Now, think Davis, King, Romanow.

Now think stats:

Ipsos-Reid 26 March 2004

38 Lib

27 CPC

15 NDP

10 Bloc

5 Green

4 Other

2000 Election Results

41 Lib

38 (CA 26/PC 12)

11 Bloc

9 NDP

2 Other

Ipsos-Reid 3 Nov 2000

42 Lib

37 (CA 29/PC 8)

9 NDP

10 Bloc

2 Other

Interesting? I certainly get your point, MapleSyrup. But Canadian Federal elections are all in the regional breakdown.

[mackie]

Has anyone seen any reliable polls that indicate that Harper can lead his party to any wins east of the Ottawa River?

[maplesyrup]

This is an analysis of the recent Leger Marketing survey in late March, 2004.

I believe it was put through the UBC election forecaster.

The seat forecast may not be that sccurate.

Nationally

LPC: 38%

CPC: 26%

NDP: 16%

BQ: 13%

Other: 6%

Atlantic

LPC 36%: 13 seats (gain of 2)

CPC 39%: 15 seats

NDP 18%: 4 seats

Quebec

LPC 36% (22 seats)

BQ 45% (53 seats)

CPC, NDP 8%

Ontario

LPC 47% (95 seats)

CPC 28% (7 seats)

NDP 19% (4 seats - assuming win in Ottawa Centre and Toronto-Danforth, based on candidate strength)

Sask/Manitoba

LPC: 25% (6 seats)

CPC: 40% (14 seats)

NDP: 25% (8 seats)

Alberta

LPC: 27% (1 seat - Kilgour lives)

CPC: 49% (27 seats)

NDP: 17% (CLOSE second in Edmonton Strathcona and Edmonton Southeast)

BC

LPC: 31% (8 seats)

NDP: 22% (2 seats)

CPC: 37% (26 seats)

Seat total (not including territories)

LPC: 145 seats (Liberal minority)

NDP: 18 seats

CPC: 89 seats

BQ: 52 seats

From FriedmanForever at another discussion board

[maplesyrup]

Will the real Stephen Harper stand up?

Ever since he re-entered politics, he's been trying to distance himself from what his opponents call his extremism. So just how conservative is the new leader of the new Conservative party? To Harper, regional development is akin to a plot - an attempt by federal politicians to reward their corporate friends in the name of industrial development, even if these actions ultimately impoverish those they are supposed to help.

But, like all theories, it is strangely divorced from actual experience.

In the case of Atlantic Canada, it ignores the fact that the most vigorous proponents of regional development were not faceless Ottawa bureaucrats but Atlantic Canadian politicians elected by their voters with a mandate to get as much federal money as they could.

That won't stop Harper, though. He has firm ideas on where the country should go. So far, his progress has been stymied only by the voters.

This is the dilemma for the Conservatives.

[Cruze]

Harper has INTEGRITY,something you can't find in a Liberal candidate.

There's 3 classes of Liberal voters:

Those that have been sucking out of the trough.

Those that are great brown nosers.

Those that are just naive and are not aware of the BILLIONS of dollars that's been wasted and stolen from the Canadian taxpayer.

For almost 10 years that closet separatist from Shawinigan has destroyed the integrity and international relations Canada once had.

THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME A JOKE!!!!!!!!.

What kind of MORON insults and destroy's the relationship of there best customer(USA).

THANK GOD FOR THE PC PARTY.

[Black Dog]

There's 3 classes of Liberal voters:

Those that have been sucking out of the trough.

Those that are great brown nosers.

Those that are just naive and are not aware of the BILLIONS of dollars that's been wasted and stolen from the Canadian taxpayer

You also forget:

"Those who vote Liberal because, as crappy and corrupt as they are, it's still better then giving Harper's Republican-lites the reins."

These are probably the largest group of Liberal supporters out there.

[Cruze]

"I thought this guy Harper was a dud from day one.

Totally void of charisma.

Conservatives by their choice of leader have assured the Liberals of another majority government."

Just curious what's so bad about Harper,he hasn't had the chance to be good or bad as a Prime Minister.

What are you so afraid of?(Maple Syrup)

[maplesyrup]

THANK GOD FOR THE PC PARTY.

Why are you shouting about the PC, the Progressive Canadian party?

Only 50 candidates.

[Cruze]

Ok The "CONSERVATIVE PARTY" LOL

Typical socialist(NDP),always avoid the question.

Here's an idea,bring back BOB RAE as your new messiah.

Rae managed to alienate and betray just about everybody during his time in power. He wasn’t sufficiently “progressive” in his legislation or deferential to unions in his policies, so his hard left support melted away, and the unions felt so burned by his betrayal of them that the provincial NDP still hasn’t fully recovered their support. In the depth of one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression, and in what can only be described as a manifestation of jaw-dropping hubris and stupidity, Rae’s primary policy initiatives consisted of raising taxes, cutting services and increasing welfare benefits. To the surprise of precisely no one, unemployment and residency on the welfare rolls exploded, tax revenues plummeted and the deficit and debt spiraled out of control. Well, the surprise of no one expect the NDP government, that is; they furrowed their brows, muttered something about how their Socialist Economics 101 textbook sure didn’t predict this result. Then they went and did it again.But hey you still have good ole "ED back from the Dead"to continue the NDP logic of STUPIDITY.

Canadians have had enough of your Socialist make work projects which create nothing and cost everything.

The most IRONIC thing about a Socialist (NDP)is that most of it's followers are spoiled youth who never worked a hard day in there lives.

BTW I believe BOB has raised himself quite a little fortune,I guess his Socialist days are over now that he hangs out with the rich and travels around the world with that other thief Adrienne Clarkson.

As for those self-righteous champions of the poor, downtrodden, disadvantaged, lower-income Canadians, also known as the NDP, not a critical peep has come from top dog Jack Layton’s mouth about this offensive expense. Instead, his media comments indicate support for this junket.

Ah yes, Jacuzzi socialism is alive and well on Canada’s left flank. Federal NDP leader in his own words seems wholeheartedly supportive blowing $1 million of taxpayer cash on a junket for Canada’s rich and famous while millions of Canadians work to make ends meet. It’s enough to make a taxpayers sick to their stomachs.

"It is all up to to Jack Layton and the NDP now".

(Maplesyrup)

THE ONLY PARTY LEFT TO BRING BACK THE DIGNITY TO CANADA IS "THE NEW CONSERVATIVE PARTY".

[Kiraly]

Cruze,

It appears more and more Canadians are turning around to your way of thinking and turning away from our socialist friend's way.

Rumour has it that the Conservatives trail the Lieberals by only 6 percentage points now.

Lieberal Freefall

Tis only a matter of time, my friend.

[August1991]

Kanada Dry, I agree. If the PM PM goes for a Spring election - and all indications are that he will - then we may indeed watch a meltdown of tremendous proportions.

(Major caveat! My political predictions are usually bad. Example? I was certain Gore would win.)

First, when Ontario voters realize that the Liberals no longer represent French Quebec, many will choose something else. The West will not vote Liberal. The Maritimes will accept Harper and vote traditionally.

Second, Martin is too emphatic, too "very, very important", too peripatetic for Canadians.

Third, ordinary, English-Canadians will not discover that they like Harper in this campaign (they are too edgy about him for that) but they will think that he can represent them.

This will be an interesting election. Hard to predict.

[NDP Newbie]

Example? I was certain Gore would win.

He did.

Incidentally, I think Cruze would be interested in 1994, a year more prosperour for Ontario than any of the Harris-Eves yers.

[August1991]

Example? I was certain Gore would win.

He did.

No, Gore lost. (Duh.)

The rules of the game. What are they? (In the US, for President, it's a majority in the Electoral College.)

The remarkable thing is how Americans argue to decide important rules but accept quickly the obvious rules. (I think this impulse comes from their wise constitution - and English common law.)

Too many people in too many societies waste efforts on such questions.