Bio fuels a sin?

[Topaz]

I came across this article that the Middle-east is telling its students over seas NOT to use bio-fuels because they contain alcohol and alcohol is a sin with Islam. http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/02/19/66803.html

[scorpio]

Of course that article would come from a Saudi scholar. I could see it being a sin if they drank the bloody stuff.

Edited February 28, 2009 by scorpio

[ironstone]

So I guess in hospitals in the Middle East they don't use rubbing alcohol at all?

[Oleg Bach]

So I guess in hospitals in the Middle East they don't use rubbing alcohol at all?

We in the west have bionic shells - additions to our bodies called CARS - to start feeding this thing this machined corn...while flesh and blood humans starve to death is a sin - and as sinister as it gets...we don't need a car strapped to our backs to live - but we do need food. For every bit of corn that is fermented to alcohol...if that bit of grain that took you down to the liquior store via your car - caused some poor person to die because you were to lazy to walk or bike..then you stand convicted...It's bad enough that we use fossil fuel...Imagine feeding your dog a steak every evening while your children surive on bread and water?

[Yorkness]

We in the west have bionic shells - additions to our bodies called CARS - to start feeding this thing this machined corn...while flesh and blood humans starve to death is a sin - and as sinister as it gets...we don't need a car strapped to our backs to live - but we do need food. For every bit of corn that is fermented to alcohol...if that bit of grain that took you down to the liquior store via your car - caused some poor person to die because you were to lazy to walk or bike..then you stand convicted...It's bad enough that we use fossil fuel...Imagine feeding your dog a steak every evening while your children surive on bread and water?

I do imagine that we compensate for our evil lifestyles with our various NGO's, government funding, political/military support, private charity, to countries in need more than enough to avoid such moral hazards. It would be interesting also to study the economics of the affect an increased demand for such products as corn by the alternative fuel culture has affected the supply. Maybe the supply has increased sufficiently to support the demand and there is still plenty of corn to ship to countries in need. We, in Canada, have always sought to help those in need. Whether it be our fellow european colonists. The Afghanis, Rwanda, The Balkans, etc... And I believe that this willingness has come largely in part to the ability we have in doing so due to the fantastic quality of life we have here, in Canada.

[jbg]

Of course that article would come from a Saudi scholar. I could see it being a sin if they drank the bloody stuff.

Would they feel that way if they could drill for and sell alchohol?

[blueblood]

Would they feel that way if they could drill for and sell alchohol?

I would say it's a sin because its the Americans way of bending them over and them getting screwed double. One, there is less need of Saudi oil, and two it is more expensive for them to eat.

[JB Globe]

Ugh.

What he SHOULD have said is:

"Biofuels are a sin because they contribute to world hunger"

[Oleg Bach]

Ugh.

What he SHOULD have said is:

"Biofuels are a sin because they contribute to world hunger"

Don't think it is that - no need to put it on some global scale and attatch some lable and create a cause - The way I see it - you do not feed a washing machine a steak..you feed it electricity - You do not feed a horse some grain - but you do not feed a car grain after fermentation...You feed a car either electricity - or fossil fuels. Being the child of parents who were old orthodox Christains - and who had endured famine and war...we were taught one thing as far as food - It was a sin to let life giving bread fall to the floor..you respected what it was - LIFE....and we were taught to be aware of the basic needs of all others. It still irks me when I see the typical spoiled westerner push a plate into the garbage with food on it...I guess with this mentality bio fuel is a good idea. Here is what we refuse to acknowledge - if we ignore the hungry - in time our turn will come to be ignored. Goes around comes around.

[WIP]

Would they feel that way if they could drill for and sell alchohol?

Definitely not, since alcohol would have been the fuel that provides the cash cow which allows the building of Wahabbi mosques and madrassahs all over the world. This idiotic statement may be the first indication that the Saudis are getting nervous that declining oil reserves and high prices have finally provided the motivation for the Western industrialized nations to get serious about ending dependence on oil and move to renewable energy.

Ever since the collapse of oil prices during the 80's, the Saudis have tried to keep prices low enough to kill off alternative energy developments. If the Bush Administration had spent the money devoted to securing access to oil in the MiddleEast and Central Asia instead on a Marshall Plan to end oil dependence, it would have drained the swamp figuratively speaking, since MidEast oil provides the money for terrorist groups and the promotion of Islamism around the world.

[Oleg Bach]

Would they feel that way if they could drill for and sell alchohol?

Saudi elitists believe that everything that is poor is sinful - and everything that does not give them money is sinful - banging boys for sport and chopping off hands for stealing the hubcap off of one of their Mercedes - well that is VERY SINFUL. As if they care about feeding cars human food - humans unless they are part of the extended royal family of 70 thousand - are NOT human - chop chop chop---torture and chop - why that's not a sin

[dub]

does anyone else here take the word of a religious fanatic as the word for a whole country, race or religion?

kind of like what hagee said about katrina happening because of its sins.

[Oleg Bach]

does anyone else here take the word of a religious fanatic as the word for a whole country, race or religion?

kind of like what hagee said about katrina happening because of its sins.

I have a friend down in New Orleans as we speak - and he is the king of sinners - apparently God was not interested in punishing New Orleans..maybe it was just some rich white folks that punished the area by not offering quick and effeicent relief? Personally any time some one says that God is going to punish you - it is usually that person who would like to punish you but has not got the guts to do it - so wishful thinking has to sufice. Have you ever noticed how demonic those TV evangelists all look...maybe God is trying to tell us something..if it walks like a duck.....

[blueblood]

Don't think it is that - no need to put it on some global scale and attatch some lable and create a cause - The way I see it - you do not feed a washing machine a steak..you feed it electricity - You do not feed a horse some grain - but you do not feed a car grain after fermentation...You feed a car either electricity - or fossil fuels. Being the child of parents who were old orthodox Christains - and who had endured famine and war...we were taught one thing as far as food - It was a sin to let life giving bread fall to the floor..you respected what it was - LIFE....and we were taught to be aware of the basic needs of all others. It still irks me when I see the typical spoiled westerner push a plate into the garbage with food on it...I guess with this mentality bio fuel is a good idea. Here is what we refuse to acknowledge - if we ignore the hungry - in time our turn will come to be ignored. Goes around comes around.

Nuts to that, my grain and oilseeds go to the highest bidder. I have no obligation to give my grain away to trash from half way around the world, when big business will give me a good price.

[Borg]

Nuts to that, my grain and oilseeds go to the highest bidder. I have no obligation to give my grain away to trash from half way around the world, when big business will give me a good price.

Hear! Hear!

Of course, you could just donate it to Zimbabwe.

Maybe Bono would give you a few bucks for it?

Borg

[Oleg Bach]

Nuts to that, my grain and oilseeds go to the highest bidder. I have no obligation to give my grain away to trash from half way around the world, when big business will give me a good price.

Cold hearted capitalist.. You sound like a furnature manufacturer who tosses out an old broken chair then chases the cultprit down the street with a stick who takes it from your carbage...damned those poor people having the nerve to not buy a new chair - and damned them for wanting to fix the broken chair you were to lazy to repair...and damn them for having the nerve to want to sit when they should stand and be hungry for eternity. So once big buisness gives you a "good price" - what do you do with that good price once you have it - and after it has accumulated to the point you are buried in cash ---- give it to the Darwinist Party Of Eugenic Genocide.....come on - You are putting us on - no one is that tough and mean spirited...You are bluffing.

[blueblood]

So once big buisness gives you a "good price" - what do you do with that good price once you have it - and after it has accumulated to the point you are buried in cash ---- give it to the Darwinist Party Of Eugenic Genocide.....come on - You are putting us on - no one is that tough and mean spirited...You are bluffing.

I do what most people do with money they earn, it either goes into the bank or gets spent. When I spend money, it helps out other store owners and the like. This is how a backbone of an economy works. Same goes for oil, forestry products, and other things we export.

[kimmy]

Of course that article would come from a Saudi scholar. I could see it being a sin if they drank the bloody stuff.

Is it wrong for me to wonder if a "Saudi scholar" is kind of like a "Tibetan rodeo star", a "Moroccan ice-sculptor", a "Kalahari sumo master", and so-forth?

Ugh.

What he SHOULD have said is:

"Biofuels are a sin because they contribute to world hunger"

That's what I assumed the thread would be about when I read the title... and that is an interesting topic.

-k

[blueblood]

Is it wrong for me to wonder if a "Saudi scholar" is kind of like a "Tibetan rodeo star", a "Moroccan ice-sculptor", a "Kalahari sumo master", and so-forth?

That's what I assumed the thread would be about when I read the title... and that is an interesting topic.

-k

What, no opinion?

[Oleg Bach]

What, no opinion?

He might have a theory (opinion) but I an austerist..black and white - rules - machines can have electricty and fossil fuels and sun power - but keep the damned things from eating human food - people first - machines - well - they don't count...cars are like bio-mechancal shell that modern humans wear - they can live without them. Now get the hybred monster out of my corn patch or I am going to toss a rock at it!

[blueblood]

He might have a theory (opinion) but I an austerist..black and white - rules - machines can have electricty and fossil fuels and sun power - but keep the damned things from eating human food - people first - machines - well - they don't count...cars are like bio-mechancal shell that modern humans wear - they can live without them. Now get the hybred monster out of my corn patch or I am going to toss a rock at it!

But it is our people first, food is still in abundant supply and cheap. If people want free food, then I want a nice fat subsidy on par with Europeans and Americans. Since that isn't going to happen, time to cut back on the supply, create jobs, reduce GHG's, improve share values, and start up a new industry.

It's not human food, it's grain, and I can sell it to whoever I want to. I hope your a vegetarian, because the amount of grain that goes into meat production makes biofuels look like a drop in the bucket.