dub Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) from 2005, but it shows the hypocrisy and the double speak used by israel. The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said. Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added. BBC News Edited February 19, 2009 by dub Quote
Argus Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 from 2005, but it shows the hypocrisy and the double speak used by israel.The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said. Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added. BBC News You find it worthy of condemnation that the Israeli Supreme Court has ordered them not to do this? Can you cite the number of times the courts in Muslim nations have ordered their police or soldiers to stop abusing and endangering civilians? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Must be a slow Israeli smear day to drag up non news that's 4 years old. Now for the bonus round q. What's the difference between human shields used by arab terrorists and the since banned tactic of using arab individuals to coax terrorists out of their houses by Israeli police? A. One to save lives.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) You find it worthy of condemnation that the Israeli Supreme Court has ordered them not to do this? the fact that the israeli army is not only requesting continue to use civilians as human shields says a lot about where the israeli military stands. they've not only shown a total disregard for international law, but they've also continued to break their own law by going against their own court just after the ruling and also during the recent gaza attack. Can you cite the number of times the courts in Muslim nations have ordered their police or soldiers to stop abusing and endangering civilians? can you cite the number of times muslim nations' soldiers used civilians as human shields? UAE? iran? saudi? egypt? indonesia? morocco? can you cite muslim nations occupying another country? syria? saudi? qatar? iraq? a few muslim nations are pretty crappy when it comes to human rights, but israel seems to be doing worse than they are. are you going to continue to try to justify and make excuses for israel? how low can you sink? Edited February 20, 2009 by dub Quote
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 q. What's the difference between human shields used by arab terrorists and the since banned tactic of using arab individuals to coax terrorists out of their houses by Israeli police? you're not going to like the answer to that one dancing man. from amnesty international: “Our sources in Gaza report that Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position,” said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Programme. “This clearly increases the risk to the Palestinian families concerned and means they are effectively being used as human shields.” they acknowledge that both sides are doing it. well there you go! hamas and the israeli military are on equal grounds! Both Israeli soldiers and Palestinian gunmen are continuing to fire at each other from areas close to civilian homes, endangering their inhabitants. and then they bomb the civilians and use the same shrugging argument that you and other use for their justification: Israeli forces have bombed civilian homes and other buildings, arguing that they had been used as cover by gunmen firing at Israeli targets but uh oh, wait: although Palestinian fighters usually vacate the areas as soon as they have fired. SO?! the israeli army is not aware that they're leaving after shooting! “The Israeli army is well-aware that Palestinian gunmen usually leave the area after having fired and that any reprisal attack against these homes will in most cases cause harm to civilians -- not gunmen.” oh no. but wait... amnesty international is a terrorist organization which is clearly anti-semite and wants to push israel into the sea. did i cover it right? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 can you cite muslim nations occupying another country? Ummmm....all of them...lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests ---------------------------- It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing. ---General George S. Patton: 1943 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 Ummmm....all of them...lol.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests hey listen wikipedia boy, i'm talking about right now. you dumb fuck. next time i'm in this thread i will probably think adding "you dumb fuck" was a tad bit too much. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 hey listen wikipedia boy, i'm talking about right now. you dumb fuck.next time i'm in this thread i will probably think adding "you dumb fuck" was a tad bit too much. Personal attacks are oh so mature. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 the fact that the israeli army is not only requesting continue to use civilians as human shields says a lot about where the israeli military stands. And yet, you didn't criticise the Israeli military, you criticised Israel itself - which includes its supreme court and the laws that independant court upholds. can you cite the number of times muslim nations' soldiers used civilians as human shields? UAE? iran? saudi? egypt? indonesia? morocco? What do we call this, willful ignorance? Are you going to attempt to suggest that virtually every Muslim nation doesn't use its military and internal police to brutally supress human rights? That torture and state killing aren't commonplace? Are you going to attempt to suggest there are independant courts in any of them? What "country" is Israel occupying?can you cite muslim nations occupying another country? syria? saudi? qatar? iraq? a few muslim nations are pretty crappy when it comes to human rights, but israel seems to be doing worse than they are. No, actually ALL Muslim nations are pretty crappy when it comes to human rights. The fact they are the leading cheerleaders for anti-Israreli action at the UN, and that people like you then cite those anti-Israeli motions as moral justification is patently absurd. And, in fact, Israel is doing quite a bit better than them by a very wide margin in that, for example, they have a free press, they have an independant judicial system, they have genuinely free elections, and they have a constitution which they obey, which does not allow them to use people as they choose. are you going to continue to try to justify and make excuses for israel? how low can you sink? I'm not making excuses for Israeli misbehaviour but questioning why so many people, like you, do their best to exaggerate it while downlplaying and dismissing the much worse behaviour by other states and groups involved in the mess. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 my apologies for calling you that dogonporch. i don't really think you're dumb. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 ....can you cite muslim nations occupying another country? syria? saudi? qatar? iraq? This an odd question given that I can name many "Christian" nations doing so. Oh...I forgot...we are only critical of "Jews". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 And yet, you didn't criticise the Israeli military, you criticised Israel itself - which includes its supreme court and the laws that independant court upholds. the israeli army represents israel. the israeli army did not listen to its court and since the ruling, they've used civilians as human shields. so the use of the israeli army as a representative of israel is justified. What do we call this, willful ignorance? Are you going to attempt to suggest that virtually every Muslim nation doesn't use its military and internal police to brutally supress human rights? That torture and state killing aren't commonplace? Are you going to attempt to suggest there are independant courts in any of them? you're trying to divert. we've gone from using civilians as human shields to the rest of the things you've listed. the reality is that muslim nations are not occupying other people and they're not using civilians as human shields. so your blanket statement about muslim nations is ignorant and does not prove anything. No, actually ALL Muslim nations are pretty crappy when it comes to human rights. The fact they are the leading cheerleaders for anti-Israreli action at the UN, and that people like you then cite those anti-Israeli motions as moral justification is patently absurd. And, in fact, Israel is doing quite a bit better than them by a very wide margin in that, for example, they have a free press, they have an independant judicial system, they have genuinely free elections, and they have a constitution which they obey, which does not allow them to use people as they choose. its not just the muslim nations who find the occupation illegal. even canada sees the settlements as illegal and finds violating international which includes using civilians as human shields, as wrong. this is not israel vs muslim nations. it's israel vs human rights. I'm not making excuses for Israeli misbehaviour but questioning why so many people, like you, do their best to exaggerate it while downlplaying and dismissing the much worse behaviour by other states and groups involved in the mess. i don't think anyone here is excusing other nations for their wrong behaviour and violation of human rights law. i like to point out where someone has excused violation of international law and i will gladly join you in condemning it. Quote
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 This an odd question given that I can name many "Christian" nations doing so. Oh...I forgot...we are only critical of "Jews". which christian nation has created an apartheid state? which christian nation is taking away basic human rights from its native people? if you can name some, i will gladly condemn them. Quote
M.Dancer Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 which christian nation has created an apartheid state? South Africa which christian nation is taking away basic human rights from its native people? if you can name some, i will gladly condemn them. Nicaragua....Brazil....plenty of examples...condemn away then ask yourself, why do you feind Iserael so special? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 South AfricaNicaragua....Brazil....plenty of examples...condemn away then ask yourself, why do you feind Iserael so special? Palistinians are the native people of the area - the new arrivals have only been there for sixty years..before that all they had were tales written down in ancient books from 4000 years ago. Stories and myths and revisionisms that were the foundation for the justification of taking land - and calling it a homeland - Even if there is direct proof that the average European of American or Russian Jew is a direct decendant of some original indigenous tribe that once inhabited the region - So much time has passed that it is of no consequence...we pushed the natives in our own nation aside with cunning brutality...and took their home...Israel did the same - so we approve of this evil deed because we committed the same sin. Quote
Argus Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 its not just the muslim nations who find the occupation illegal. even canada sees the settlements as illegal and finds violating international which includes using civilians as human shields, as wrong. I don't like the settlements either, but there is a lot wrong in the world, and people like you who get so incensed over Israel - repeatedly - never seem to notice any of it. this is not israel vs muslim nations. it's israel vs human rights. No, to a certain extent is IS Israel vs Muslm nations. i don't think anyone here is excusing other nations for their wrong behaviour and violation of human rights law. i like to point out where someone has excused violation of international law and i will gladly join you in condemning it. Sure you will, but I'm willing to bet you have never and will never start a topic on the cruelties of Muslim nations, or Sudan, or North Kora, or China, or condemning Hamas for routinely committing extra-judicial executions and torture. No, every thread is on Isreal - for some reason... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 South Africa by not responding to my previous post to you, i'm assuming you've learned something. as for south africa. it's interesting you mentioned it. it's a very good comparison. south africa was an apartheid state, much like israel is now. in fact, israel and south africa were both very close during that time. however, due to internal and external pressure, south africa is no longer violating international law. good to see justice prevailing. wouldn't you like to see justice prevailing again? Nicaragua....Brazil....plenty of examples...condemn away then ask yourself, why do you feind Iserael so special? perhaps you can tell me about nicaragua and brazil human rights violations that parallel israel's. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 which christian nation has created an apartheid state? which christian nation is taking away basic human rights from its native people? if you can name some, i will gladly condemn them. Ummmm......Canada and the United State of America. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 Sure you will, but I'm willing to bet you have never and will never start a topic on the cruelties of Muslim nations, or Sudan, or North Kora, or China, or condemning Hamas for routinely committing extra-judicial executions and torture. No, every thread is on Isreal - for some reason... that's because we don't have anyone coming in here trying to justify those actions. if anyone did, i'd speak against them. also, our present federal government has gone against canada's tradition of condemning those who violate international law, and they've failed to condemn israel for doing so. i don't see stephen harper condoning other violations around the world. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 ....i don't see stephen harper condoning other violations around the world. Actions speak louder than words....see Canadian actions for Iraq, Eastern Europe, East Timor, Haiti, and Afghanistan. Israel has actually been attacked...imagine that. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) my apologies for calling you that dogonporch.i don't really think you're dumb. Apology accepted. You're alright...I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to spar...so just keep it civil. Cheers. Edited February 20, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 Ummmm......Canada and the United State of America. how are canada and united states, at the present time, violating the native population's human rights? are they apartheid states? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 how are canada and united states, at the present time, violating the native population's human rights? are they apartheid states? No need to violate their human rights at present anyway - The natives are past being violated..They are a broken down mentally ill group...it's done...we were successful and now we can pretend that they were always crazy and we are so kind to them - we made them nuts! Quote
dub Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Posted February 20, 2009 Actions speak louder than words....see Canadian actions for Iraq, Eastern Europe, East Timor, Haiti, and Afghanistan. Israel has actually been attacked...imagine that. even though i don't agree with the iraq invasion and the occupation of afghanistan, especially with the way it is being handled, i don't see the occupying forces creating settlements, creating cantons, much like south africa's apartheid state and taking away the human rights of the people. they're also not, deliberately stalling for over 60 years and annexing their land in favour of other people. you see how the comparison is useless? the situation is much different. the best comparison you can make here in recent history is with the former south african apartheid state and you know how that turned out. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 how are canada and united states, at the present time, violating the native population's human rights? are they apartheid states? Whatever shred of credibility you thought you possessed has just been shredded. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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