Afghanistan war un-winnable?

[Canadian Blue]

There was a difference between going and not going too.

Well, I'm certain that the United States wouldn't have thought fondly of us if we didn't commit ourselves to the NATO alliance.

The reasons for not going have remained the same but the reasons for going and staying look more like a bag of old disposable diapers than anything.

So what you're saying is that when the two planes hit the towers the United States should have sat around and done nothing about it? This might be a surprise to you but usually if a nation is attacked sometimes that nation will react. I have no problem with the mission as long as it got Al Qeida out of Iraq and then establishes security forces that can effectively deal with the Taliban after we leave.

The reason why we're in Afghanistan is once again because of the attacks on 9/11, if you don't know what happened on that day I'll be more than happy to provide you with more information.

By the way, where's Bin Waldo? Is "who cares" still the stock answer or has that changed again too?By the way, where's Bin Waldo? Is "who cares" still the stock answer or has that changed again too?

He's probably in Pakistan, or he might be dead.

Edited March 7, 2009 by Canadian Blue

[M.Dancer]

And American arms can't take out the taliban/al queda because.....?

Ummmm you may have missed the news item....but the Taliban were taken out.

The level of violence today is a shadow of what they did against the soviets....if the soviets had to face so little activity as NATO does, the soviets would still be there.....

[scorpio]

Ummmm you may have missed the news item....but the Taliban were taken out.

I guess except for these few. Now they're being called insurgents. Well a rose by any other name, they're still there killing our soldiers. Like Harper said you "can't defeat the taliban." Care to refute our fearless leader?

[eyeball]

The reason why we're in Afghanistan is once again because of the attacks on 9/11, if you don't know what happened on that day I'll be more than happy to provide you with more information.

You mean the counter-attacks on 9/11? I'm pretty sure I know more about what happened on that day than you'd like to hear.

[bush_cheney2004]

You mean the counter-attacks on 9/11? I'm pretty sure I know more about what happened on that day than you'd like to hear.

Yes..by all means...do share what you know. We haven't had that kind of 9/11 fun for a long time....right PolyNewbie ?

[Canadian Blue]

You mean the counter-attacks on 9/11? I'm pretty sure I know more about what happened on that day than you'd like to hear.

Let me guess, you think a giant phaser built on the moon took out the two towers.

That's the reason why you're so irrational.

[eyeball]

Let me guess, you think a giant phaser built on the moon took out the two towers.

Not at all, it was blow-back from years of questionable American foreign policy practices that finally blew-back is all. There's nothing mysterious about what happened or why.

It was two planes from the US that took out the towers actually, not phasers on the moon. Where'd you get that idea?

[Canadian Blue]

Not at all, it was blow-back from years of questionable American foreign policy practices that finally blew-back is all. There's nothing mysterious about what happened or why.

It was two planes from the US that took out the towers actually, not phasers on the moon. Where'd you get that idea?

You seem like the irrational screaming conspiracy theorist type.

So let me get this straight, you see thousands of people incinerated on 9/11 and your first thought is to shrug, right?

But please, tell me more about how the enlightened Osama Bin Laden was justified in attacking the World Trade Centre.

Does anyone else notice that eyeball can't even come up with a single decent position about what the United States should have done after September 11th.

Edited March 7, 2009 by Canadian Blue

[bush_cheney2004]

Not at all, it was blow-back from years of questionable American foreign policy practices that finally blew-back is all. There's nothing mysterious about what happened or why.

Questionable by whom....unelected terrorists? It's so cute when people use American / CIA terms like "blow-back".

[eyeball]

So what you're saying is that when the two planes hit the towers the United States should have sat around and done nothing about it?

Its not my business to tell the United States what it should have done, but its every nation's business to tell the US what it shouldn't have done, which is bomb and invade Afghanistan. I don't think there is anything it could have done other than clean up the mess unless you count cleaning up its act as part of that.

I mean, if the people who did this had somehow survived they certainly should have gone after them but they were all dead so...

[bush_cheney2004]

Its not my business to tell the United States what it should have done, but its every nation's business to tell the US what it shouldn't have done, which is bomb and invade Afghanistan. I don't think there is anything it could have done other than clean up the mess unless you count cleaning up its act as part of that.

They did...see UN and NATO Charters.

I mean, if the people who did this had somehow survived they certainly should have gone after them but they were all dead so...

So......what? Just call the insurance agent and move on?

[eyeball]

You seem like the irrational screaming conspiracy theorist type.

So let me get this straight, you see thousands of people incinerated on 9/11 and your first thought is to shrug, right?

Actually no, within 20 minutres or so I do recall asking myself "why would anyone attack a country that was so kind and gentle"? The answer was pretty clear within a matter of hours. Blowback

Blowback is the espionage term for the violent, unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the civil population of the aggressor government. To the civilians suffering it, the blowback typically manifests itself as “random” acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public — in whose name the intelligence agency acted — are ignorant of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.

Please note this article is not in dispute.

But please, tell me more about how the enlightened Osama Bin Laden was justified in attacking the World Trade Centre.

I never said he was.

Does anyone else notice that eyeball can't even come up with a single decent position about what the United States should have done after September 11th.

As I said that's not my business.

[eyeball]

They did...see UN and NATO Charters.

I know, they blew it too.

So......what? Just call the insurance agent and move on?

You probably should have gone after the elements in your government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.. or you as it turned out.

[Canadian Blue]

Its not my business to tell the United States what it should have done, but its every nation's business to tell the US what it shouldn't have done, which is bomb and invade Afghanistan. I don't think there is anything it could have done other than clean up the mess unless you count cleaning up its act as part of that.

I mean, if the people who did this had somehow survived they certainly should have gone after them but they were all dead so...

Really, so what you're saying is that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with September 11th. Funny that you think that we should have allowed the group that committed the attacks to be unfettered and allowed to do their thing.

By the way, how exactly were the 9/11 hijackers wronged. The majority of them grew up in middle class families, none of them were targeted by the United States military.

If I may ask, since you know so much about blowback why aren't we seeing any South American's flying planes into skyscrapers?

[bush_cheney2004]

I know, they blew it too.

So everybody else is dumb and you are smart? Remarkable!

You probably should have gone after the elements in your government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.. or you as it turned out.

So when can we expect such attacks on Canada?

[Canadian Blue]

You probably should have gone after the elements in your government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.. or you as it turned out.

Which policies exactly? Yes, the Iran-Iraq War was a massive f%$k up, however the United States also helped the Afghans fight against the Soviets.

Are you saying that Iraq should have been given complete control over the region when Kuwait was invaded?

Stop being subtle damnit, be more specific eyeball. I'm still waiting to hear why you think Osama Bin Laden was justified in attacking the twin towers.

[eyeball]

Really, so what you're saying is that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with September 11th.

Nope, I didn't say that.

Funny that you think that we should have allowed the group that committed the attacks to be unfettered and allowed to do their thing.

I don't think its funny at all that the elements in the US government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge should be unfettered and allowed to do their thing at all.

By the way, how exactly were the 9/11 hijackers wronged. The majority of them grew up in middle class families, none of them were targeted by the United States military.

I suspect the same could be said about the agents of the elements in the US government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge.

If I may ask, since you know so much about blowback why aren't we seeing any South American's flying planes into skyscrapers?

They don't seem to have incorporated revenge into the fabric of their culture the way other people the US have attacked do.

[eyeball]

Which policies exactly? Yes, the Iran-Iraq War was a massive f%$k up, however the United States also helped the Afghans fight against the Soviets.

Did you read the link I provided?

Are you saying that Iraq should have been given complete control over the region when Kuwait was invaded?

No.

Stop being subtle damnit, be more specific eyeball. I'm still waiting to hear why you think Osama Bin Laden was justified in attacking the twin towers.

I didn't say he was. How could I possibly be more specific than that?

[Canadian Blue]

Nope, I didn't say that.

No, you're just saying that the United States had it coming. Which in a way is saying that it's justified.

I don't think its funny at all that the elements in the US government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge should be unfettered and allowed to do their thing at all.

Provide examples eyeball, please awe us with your intellect.

I suspect the same could be said about the agents of the elements in the US government that effected secret attacks that provoked revenge.

I like to use italics because it makes my points more subtle, hopefully nobody will call me on my arguments

They don't seem to have incorporated revenge into the fabric of their culture the way other people the US have attacked do.

Yes, I agree Islamic extremism is a great danger to the world. Thank you for agreeing with me, now if only you could get the balls and not grovel to Osama Bin Laden whenever a bomb goes off in London or a plane flies into a skyscraper.

[Canadian Blue]

Does anyone notice that eyeball can't even state what he believes.

He talks about how Kuwait shouldn't have been invaded by Iraq and intervention was warranted, then he goes on to state that the US intervention in Iraq resulted in September 11th.

I didn't say he was. How could I possibly be more specific than that?

Actually you did, you stated it was revenge, therefore it's justifiable. If you're sympathetic with Osama Bin Laden's hatred of the west and if you simply see his attacks as revenge then you should tell us why he hates us so much.

Edited March 7, 2009 by Canadian Blue

[eyeball]

I like to use italics because it makes my points more subtle, hopefully nobody will call me on my arguments

I also like using them to quote passages from the sources I link to.

[bush_cheney2004]

Does anyone notice that eyeball can't even state what he believes.

I think he has been very clear...he wants his fish and eat them too. US foreign policy....revenge....blowback.....

[Canadian Blue]

I also like using them to quote passages from the sources I link to.

Let me guess, you get them from a Lyndon Larouche site.

Eyeball, read a goddamn history book before you start spouting off about blowback. The fact you can't even tell us why Osama Bin Laden hates us is laughable.

Edited March 7, 2009 by Canadian Blue

[eyeball]

Does anyone notice that eyeball can't even state what he believes.

He talks about how Kuwait shouldn't have been invaded by Iraq and intervention was warranted, then he goes on to state that the US intervention in Iraq resulted in September 11th.

Cite, and verbatim if you please. If you don't know what verbatim means I can provide you with a link, providing you know what that means.

[Canadian Blue]

Cite, and verbatim if you please. If you don't know what verbatim means I can provide you with a link, providing you know what that means.

You do realize that many proponents of blowback argue that one of the reasons the United States is hated is because of it's participation in the first Gulf War. What you're basically saying is that you blame the United States government for 9/11, however at the same time you state that you would have supported fighting Hussein in Kuwait, which happened to piss off many Islamic radicals.

Eyeball, you have stated before that the US government is responsible for 9.11, you are then absolving Osama Bin Laden of guilt and arguing that he was justified in attacked the trade towers. You've stated that the United States shouldn't have even reacted to such an attack.

I am still amazed at how people like Eyeball can see people burned alive in the WTC, buses being blown up in London, train stations attacked in Madrid, tourists being killed in Bali, and Mumbai under attack, while arguing we shouldn't defend ourselves against such actions.

Edited March 7, 2009 by Canadian Blue