DFCaper Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 I think this is ridiculous. CBC Article Why would someone be offended... And more importantly, why would we care? I guess this is what happens when somebody from the Green Party is put in charge. My one time vote for the party will always be the only time... Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
madmax Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 I think this is ridiculous. I guess this is what happens when somebody from the Green Party is put in charge. My one time vote for the party will always be the only time... I completely agree with everything you said. Quote
Wilber Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Can't tell you why for privacy reasons. Ya right, it's because they have no balls. Millet is a wanker. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
LesterDC Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 You cannot take less than 2 minutes out of your mornings to honour those who worked, toiled and died for this country? I guess lunch plans are more important now; society is truly forgetting its past. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 This is something we can all agree on. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
noahbody Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 The easy solution would be to remove "God" from the anthem and replace it with "Stephen Harper." Quote
Huston Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Meh, if you want to sing Oh Canada, sing it to yourself. Quote
eyeball Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 The Boyd sisters have been raised singing the national anthem every day, but a New Brunswick school has silenced their morning ritual. What's stopping them from singing it anyway what's the school going to do, expel them? You're right, this is ridiculous. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
guyser Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Two more minutes to learn. Good. I have never understood the importance of singing it everyday. Never understood the reason why sporting events must have it sung. Keep it for important things, such as the monthly rally in the school. Teach it them as part of civics class, for sure, but everyday.....yawn. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 This is something we can all agree on. Now Mr. C, did you really think I would agree with everyone? It's not in my DNA. However, all kidding aside, I think there are two sides to this story. It would appear that the singing of the anthem (my grandson's school only does it at assemblies anyway. Never part of a morning routine) for this school, with such finite interpretation of the lyrics, could be seen as supporting the War. A picture of the fallen soldier, or a special ceremony would be more appropriate. However, if the class is being told everyday that they should never question any war, would have me at the school too. I prefer the War Vets 'Never Again' message, to a daily dose of Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Alta4ever Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Meh, if you want to sing Oh Canada, sing it to yourself. Do you not care about your country, should we not show appreciation to our country or veterans, our history and culture? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
madmax Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 :lol: The easy solution would be to remove "God" from the anthem and replace it with "Stephen Harper." STOP IT , You are killing me. Quote
Alta4ever Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Now Mr. C, did you really think I would agree with everyone? It's not in my DNA.However, all kidding aside, I think there are two sides to this story. It would appear that the singing of the anthem (my grandson's school only does it at assemblies anyway. Never part of a morning routine) for this school, with such finite interpretation of the lyrics, could be seen as supporting the War. A picture of the fallen soldier, or a special ceremony would be more appropriate. However, if the class is being told everyday that they should never question any war, would have me at the school too. I prefer the War Vets 'Never Again' message, to a daily dose of Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. The national anthem is not about war, its about pride, respect and appreacation. These people are teaching another generation to ignore these thre virtues, and we are going to see more and more entitled brats who will give nothing back and expect the world to revovle around them. Edited January 29, 2009 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
madmax Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Two more minutes to learn. Good. It was the only 2 minutes that I stood in one spot. Get head up off desk, open eyes, stand for anthem, go back to desk, put head down, close eyes. I used to hold the Union Jack .... uh oh... too far back. Quote
roof_top_eagle Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Yeah lets all go spit on the tombstone of the unknown soldier, or what about Nichola Goddard? Let's ban the selling of support our troops merchandise! Lets get real, people fight for this country then the stupid officials take the national anthem out of the school? What does it take, two minutes? I think our kids can spare the time! I know lets go down to the VA and give out little pamphlets telling Vets that we think they are a waste of two minutes! Or or we could start burning flags in school gymnasiums... oh man I could have fun with all the stupid things we could do if we stop honoring our country. OH Oh let's put Gille Duceppe into the PMs seat! what a pile of trash, Oh by the way, let's just start burning our dead soldiers bodies instead of wasting fuel to fly them home. Hey I bet the green party would love that! less carbon footprint right? Quote The great themes of Canadian history are as follows: Keeping the Americans out, keeping the French in, and trying to get the Natives to somehow disappear. - Will Ferguson *roof_top_eagle*
Progressive Tory Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Do you not care about your country, should we not show appreciation to our country or veterans, our history and culture? My father was a wounded veteran. Using the money from what was our version of the GI bill, he went back to school and took an accounting course. Funny thing is when he walked into a job interview on crutches, they wanted nothing to do with him. Sing 'Oh, Canada' and then shut up. Most kids don't pay much attention to the words anyway so the 'Oh, Canada' is enough to invoke pride, without reminding them of the horrors of war. Very inappropriate. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 The national anthem is not about war, its about pride, respect and appreacation. These people are teaching another generation to ignore these thre virtues, and we are going to see more and more entitled brats who will give nothing back and expect the world to revovle around them. Except if your read the article it is very much about war, since they bring up the fallen soldier. Maybe, it's what the article didn't say. How exactly was the teacher interpreting it? Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Alta4ever Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 My father was a wounded veteran. Using the money from what was our version of the GI bill, he went back to school and took an accounting course. Funny thing is when he walked into a job interview on crutches, they wanted nothing to do with him.Sing 'Oh, Canada' and then shut up. Most kids don't pay much attention to the words anyway so the 'Oh, Canada' is enough to invoke pride, without reminding them of the horrors of war. Very inappropriate. Are you confusing our National Anthem with the Americans, because our is not about war. It is not a story of war. Oh Canada O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy sons command. With glowing hearts we see thee rise, The True North strong and free! From far and wide, O Canada, We stand on guard for thee. God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. Please point out how this is about war? here is the orginal poem please point out how this is about war? O Canada! Where pines and maples grow. Great prairies spread and lordly rivers flow. How dear to us thy broad domain, From East to Western sea. Thou land of hope for all who toil! Thou True North, strong and free! God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada! Beneath thy shining skies May stalwart sons, and gentle maidens rise, To keep thee steadfast through the years From East to Western sea. Our own beloved native land! Our True North, strong and free! God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. Ruler supreme, who hearest humble prayer, Hold our dominion within thy loving care; Help us to find, O God, in thee A lasting, rich reward, As waiting for the Better day, We ever stand on guard. God keep our land glorious and free! O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) You cannot take less than 2 minutes out of your mornings to honour those who worked, toiled and died for this country?"O Canada" has only been our national anthem officially since 1980. Like the Charter and Constitution, it is nothing more than an attempt to build an artificial homogeneous national identity. It is ideological by nature, which makes it much more insidious than the simple ode to civic heroes that you claim it is. After all of the abuses that the Acadien French and Native Canadians have had to endure, is it any wonder that NB is the province that ends up rejecting the "national" anthem? Edited January 29, 2009 by cybercoma Quote
roof_top_eagle Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Now Mr. C, did you really think I would agree with everyone? It's not in my DNA.However, all kidding aside, I think there are two sides to this story. It would appear that the singing of the anthem (my grandson's school only does it at assemblies anyway. Never part of a morning routine) for this school, with such finite interpretation of the lyrics, could be seen as supporting the War. A picture of the fallen soldier, or a special ceremony would be more appropriate. However, if the class is being told everyday that they should never question any war, would have me at the school too. I prefer the War Vets 'Never Again' message, to a daily dose of Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Yeah praise the Lord and pass the ammunition would be a bad thing, however we are talking our national anthem not some silly war song! Maybe teaching them the true history of our Nation instead of leaving out honoring our forefathers. I attended public school. I didn't have any trouble finding my own point of view and we did sing Oh Canada every morning. I think the true problem is not that Oh Canada promotes war, (I never got that from the song but whatever) but the fact that schools teach so little of our Nations true history. I got out of school and learned so much more than they taught me out of pure hunger for knowledge of my nations past. Schools have long since abandoned actual history books and started letting kids cite wikipedia and other crappy resources. How many kids these days can say they read an actual book? I'm 24 years old and I remember not having the internet at school so we had to research in our pathetic school library. Now kids get their papers online and dig for the exact hit on what the teacher wants instead of looking at a whole book to find the bits and pieces of what they needed. Ask any kid today what book they read last and you'll get "twilight" or "Harry Potter" or "I unno". I wont claim to have read 'war and peace' but I to this day go to my local library despite the fact that it's a pile of crap and read history books. Kids no longer have a hunger for knowledge they just want to be handed everything on a silver platter. Kids expect everything right out of the gate these days. None of them want to work for what they want in life, much less hunger for knowledge. I guess I'm a dying breed. However my point is that if we taught kids the true history of our great Nation we wouldn't have to worry that they will "never question any war". We are teaching kids a dumbed down version of what really happened. In essence we are raising a bunch of college grads who wouldn't have the knowledge of a kid fresh out of high school in the 50s. We aren't raising intellectuals or even kids with decent understanding of the world. We are raising a bunch of computer jockeys who wouldn't know truth if it was to jump out of their computer screen and yell out "THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED". I think the real sad thing is that even to this day after all my reading and all my attempts to dig into my nations past I can still tell you more about the USA than I can about Canada. Even the CBC is dominated by American headlines. Quote The great themes of Canadian history are as follows: Keeping the Americans out, keeping the French in, and trying to get the Natives to somehow disappear. - Will Ferguson *roof_top_eagle*
roof_top_eagle Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Except if your read the article it is very much about war, since they bring up the fallen soldier. Maybe, it's what the article didn't say. How exactly was the teacher interpreting it? Yeah and if you look into it the fallen soldier was their COUSIN! Quote The great themes of Canadian history are as follows: Keeping the Americans out, keeping the French in, and trying to get the Natives to somehow disappear. - Will Ferguson *roof_top_eagle*
roof_top_eagle Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Two more minutes to learn. Good.I have never understood the importance of singing it everyday. Never understood the reason why sporting events must have it sung. Keep it for important things, such as the monthly rally in the school. Teach it them as part of civics class, for sure, but everyday.....yawn. In the USA they have a flag at the front of every classroom, they state the pledge of elegance every day and have actual pride in their country. Canada however can't seem to get any pride into a day heck we teach 'American history in school, the USA couldn't give a rats tail about Canadian history so why do we bother?....Pathetic Quote The great themes of Canadian history are as follows: Keeping the Americans out, keeping the French in, and trying to get the Natives to somehow disappear. - Will Ferguson *roof_top_eagle*
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Do you not care about your country, should we not show appreciation to our country or veterans, our history and culture?Firstly, "O Canada" is a song. It does not follow that someone doesn't care about their country, the veterans, or our history and culture because they do not care for the song being sung everyday in school. Secondly, what is our "culture" here in Canada? I'll tell you what our culture is; it's that we have no culture. The national anthem is a symbol used to promote nationalist pride, in an attempt to create a single national identity that transcends cultural boundaries. Finally, our veterans and history did not officially have the national anthem as their anthem. "God Save the Queen" was our national anthem officially until 1980. Does it mean that no one cares about our history or "culture" (which is a figment of your imagination if you think there is a single national culture that is not constructed) if they do not sing that anthem? Quote
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 The national anthem is not about war, its about pride, respect and appreacation. These people are teaching another generation to ignore these thre virtues, and we are going to see more and more entitled brats who will give nothing back and expect the world to revovle around them.Pride is not a virtue. It's one of the seven deadly sins and was called hubris by the ancient Greeks. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 29, 2009 Report Posted January 29, 2009 Those that support the playing of the national anthem every day in grade schools, let me ask you a question. Would you support a law requiring all offices and manufacturers to require their employees to stand for the national anthem at the beginning of each shift? Quote
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