Bonam Posted July 1, 2009 Report Posted July 1, 2009 I think the 80 Billion deficit or whatever it'll ended by election time should get EVERY young person out and vote because they are ones who will be paying the longest! We can always leave instead of sitting here and paying for the next 60+ years Also I don't what relevance it would have to vote if one is unhappy about the deficit - it would only have been even bigger under the liberals or, god forbid, the NDP. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted July 1, 2009 Report Posted July 1, 2009 We can always leave instead of sitting here and paying for the next 60+ years Also I don't what relevance it would have to vote if one is unhappy about the deficit - it would only have been even bigger under the liberals or, god forbid, the NDP. Really... I think Paul Martin would have a completely different opinion. Quote
tango Posted July 1, 2009 Report Posted July 1, 2009 I think that we should abolish the mail-in voting system.If citizens are not resident in Canada, or not prepared to travel to Canada to vote, then they shouldn't have the right to vote. Do people marry by mail? Well, you've just taken the vote away from all of our soldiers overseas, and the diplomatic corps too. As to people unable physically to go to a polling station, then we should organize polling booths more conveniently. But I think voters, even those with severe physical difficulty, should make the effort to go to vote.We can pay our taxes in private but we should vote in public, so that we all know that we have done so. I know if I have done so, but I don't give a damn about you, nor is it any of your business if I did. -----For those who don't understand my point (or have no experience with authoritarian regimes), take a look at the youtubes of Iranian protesters. IMHO, Canadians behind a curtain or booth in private should dip their own finger in purple ink and then show the world that they voted. Even people in a wheelchair can do that. It's symbolic, but it matters. The right to vote includes the right not to vote, and it's none of anybody's business. Stick your own damn finger in the ink, though, if it makes you feel good. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
CAMP Posted July 1, 2009 Report Posted July 1, 2009 Well, you've just taken the vote away from all of our soldiers overseas, and the diplomatic corps too. I know if I have done so, but I don't give a damn about you, nor is it any of your business if I did. The right to vote includes the right not to vote, and it's none of anybody's business. Stick your own damn finger in the ink, though, if it makes you feel good. Elections Canada had a representative on a talk radio show today 570 am in southern Ontario. Did you know that 32000 overseas mail in votes were disqualified due to arriving late to Elections Canada. Also a number of people said they didn't receive there ballots to even vote. Online voting would solve this problem Quote www.centralparty.ca (The Central Party of Canada) real democracy in action!
Datastream Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 The only ballot I trust is a hand marked paper ballot. Electronic ballotting allows too many opportunities for fraud. Quote
CAMP Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 The only ballot I trust is a hand marked paper ballot. Electronic ballotting allows too many opportunities for fraud. Really, so I guess all those people who do their taxes online and do online banking should really be scared of all the fraud going on. NOT... the internet can be made very secure. The American system has flaws because they allow it. There are good companies out there that can set up very secure online voting so that people don't have to be in their riding to vote on the election day. Quote www.centralparty.ca (The Central Party of Canada) real democracy in action!
M.Dancer Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Really, so I guess all those people who do their taxes online and do online banking should really be scared of all the fraud going on. Yes they should. Hence the plethora of news items concerning hacked financial web sites. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
benny Posted July 22, 2009 Report Posted July 22, 2009 Yes they should. Hence the plethora of news items concerning hacked financial web sites. The "plethora of news items" is there to make online operations stronger not scarier. Quote
madmax Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Really, so I guess all those people who do their taxes online and do online banking should really be scared of all the fraud going on. You're damn right. While they shouldn't be scared, they should be concerned and informed about the risks of using online services. Banking's data security crisis During the past year, banks have lost more of their customers' personal data than ever before By Andy Greenberg, ForbesNovember 26, 2008 Identity Theft Continues Upward ClimbPosted on 22 July 2009 By Brady Delander, METRO NORTH NEWSPAPERS The first time was a hassle. The second time Chris and Carey Chapin had their identities stolen was more than frustrating. The Northglenn couple keeps a watchful eye on their finances, but some unknown people had other plans about what to do with the Chapin’s money. That included two charges totaling $2,450 at an athletic store while the husband and wife were vacationing in Mexico. “Discover Card called us to confirm some charges that we put on the card in Mexico, which we had,” Chris Chapin, 45, said Monday. “Then they said two $1,228 payments went through back-to-back at some college athletic store. I told them that wasn’t us.” That was the second time in a little more than a month that the Chapins had fallen victim to what Colorado Attorney General John Suthers called the fastest-growing crime in America. In early June, a debit card belonging to the Chapins was used to purchase $300 in goods from a store in Aurora, mere minutes after Chris Chapin had used the same card for a purchase in Northglenn. Are College Students Putting Their Parents at Risk for Identity Theft? Survey uncovers student behaviors that could threaten parents' financial security OAK BROOK, Ill., July 23 /PRNewswire/ -- College students are indifferent when it comes to their personal security. That's among the findings of a new Campus Security Survey(1) of 1,000 college students which found most co-eds routinely turn a blind eye to a variety of common-sense safety precautions. Quote
benny Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 Banking's data security crisis Electronic banking can only be a stepping stone to electronic voting because one can transfer his money to who he wants but one cannot transfer his one vote to anyone. Quote
Moonbox Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 This really shouldn't even be up for debate as far as I'm concerned. If people as it stands can't bother themselves to spend an hour or so voting in a Federal election, then clearly they can't be bothered to inform themselves of the issues and hence will make a stupid and uninformed decision. We're better off without these idiots voting anyways. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
benny Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 We're better off without these idiots voting anyways. The economy and military have become very technologically advanced. To tackle recessions and wars, politicians have to know the latest technologies. Sticking to old electoral methods will not give us this kind of politicians. Quote
ToadBrother Posted July 23, 2009 Report Posted July 23, 2009 This really shouldn't even be up for debate as far as I'm concerned. If people as it stands can't bother themselves to spend an hour or so voting in a Federal election, then clearly they can't be bothered to inform themselves of the issues and hence will make a stupid and uninformed decision. We're better off without these idiots voting anyways. Amen Quote
CAMP Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 This really shouldn't even be up for debate as far as I'm concerned. If people as it stands can't bother themselves to spend an hour or so voting in a Federal election, then clearly they can't be bothered to inform themselves of the issues and hence will make a stupid and uninformed decision. We're better off without these idiots voting anyways. Wrong Wrong Wrong, we should gently push those that prefer to live in the 1900's into the 20th century. I'm sure once online voting is installed you'll all be using it and wondering what all the fuss was about. It's just new technology that can be made totally safe and reliable as a method of voting that will change the way we vote in the near future. Quote www.centralparty.ca (The Central Party of Canada) real democracy in action!
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Wrong Wrong Wrong, we should gently push those that prefer to live in the 1900's into the 20th century. I'm sure once online voting is installed you'll all be using it and wondering what all the fuss was about. It's just new technology that can be made totally safe and reliable as a method of voting that will change the way we vote in the near future. I perceive a lot of wishful thinking in your selling pitch. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Wrong Wrong Wrong, we should gently push those that prefer to live in the 1900's into the 20th century. I'm sure once online voting is installed you'll all be using it and wondering what all the fuss was about. It's just new technology that can be made totally safe and reliable as a method of voting that will change the way we vote in the near future. You can't trust electronic communication because you really don't know who is who and what is what - so why would you trust electronic voting - or democracy via the net - How do we know if the voter has found some way to cast a Canadian vote from say China - no ----to may variables - and to many brilliant and unsavory characters highly skilled in electronic deception..no way - In person - paper in hand - show ID - see a real human - cast real ballot - end of story. Just because we have electronic tools does not mean you have to use them - Just like having a nuke does not mean you have to use is....paper and pencil - high tech low tech...dependable. Quote
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 You can't trust electronic communication because you really don't know who is who and what is what - so why would you trust electronic voting - or democracy via the net - How do we know if the voter has found some way to cast a Canadian vote from say China - no ----to may variables - and to many brilliant and unsavory characters highly skilled in electronic deception..no way - In person - paper in hand - show ID - see a real human - cast real ballot - end of story. Just because we have electronic tools does not mean you have to use them - Just like having a nuke does not mean you have to use is....paper and pencil - high tech low tech...dependable. Just like nukes, we have to be ready to use the most sophisticated voting devices in order to elect representatives able to resist international pressures. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Just like nukes, we have to be ready to use the most sophisticated voting devices in order to elect representatives able to resist international pressures. I'm fine with that but what will the internal policy be and who if it's a good policy will police this policy to make sure that it is fully implimented and stays true? Will the public have full access and knowledge to the inner workings of this technology? Technology is moving so quickly by the time we create a way to vote on mass with great accuracy - a technology will be created to thwart the system - this will happen in tandum. I refuse to trust who I can not see..not fully. Quote
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I'm fine with that but what will the internal policy be and who if it's a good policy will police this policy to make sure that it is fully implimented and stays true? Will the public have full access and knowledge to the inner workings of this technology? Technology is moving so quickly by the time we create a way to vote on mass with great accuracy - a technology will be created to thwart the system - this will happen in tandum. I refuse to trust who I can not see..not fully. Bottom line: If you stick to a backward political system, a foreign military technology may well be created to thwart the system on which your life depends. Quote
CAMP Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I'm fine with that but what will the internal policy be and who if it's a good policy will police this policy to make sure that it is fully implimented and stays true? Will the public have full access and knowledge to the inner workings of this technology? Technology is moving so quickly by the time we create a way to vote on mass with great accuracy - a technology will be created to thwart the system - this will happen in tandum. I refuse to trust who I can not see..not fully. There is technology that presently thwarts the system in use if one wants to. An online voting system would be as secure or more than the present one. Quote www.centralparty.ca (The Central Party of Canada) real democracy in action!
benny Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 There is technology that presently thwarts the system in use if one wants to. An online voting system would be as secure or more than the present one. This sound like a very repetitive selling pitch to me. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 There is technology that presently thwarts the system in use if one wants to. An online voting system would be as secure or more than the present one. Absolutely untrue. http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10311336-245.html Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Topaz Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 Isn't the reason for online or computer voting because some people have to have an "instant" results? Quote
benny Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 Isn't the reason for online or computer voting because some people have to have an "instant" results? Who has time to lose!? Quote
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