Time to stop racial profiling?

[krazy kanuck]

How do you feel about the racial profiling that goes on in the media?

Do you think that it really helps us or clouds our judgement to know the truth?

Do you think we can finally think of ourselves as Canadians or Americans rather than putting in a hyphen??

Does it really matter in news reports whether a criminal is black or white or yellow or green or red or blue?

If a man is arrested his colour really does not matter. Only if he is being hunted would his colour be of value to searchers.

[Smallc]

I agree with you to a point. On the other hand, if there are certain problems within one ethnic group, it would be helpful to know about them so that steps can be taken to address the problem. Ignoring that, for example, aboriginal people make up a far greater percentage of the prison population than the general population doesn't serve anyone interest. Finding out why the problem exists and taking steps to fix it only does good. The truth and statistics aren't racist.

[Griz]

I agree with you to a point. On the other hand, if there are certain problems within one ethnic group, it would be helpful to know about them so that steps can be taken to address the problem. Ignoring that, for example, aboriginal people make up a far greater percentage of the prison population than the general population doesn't serve anyone interest. Finding out why the problem exists and taking steps to fix it only does good. The truth and statistics aren't racist.

The aboriginal prison population is interesting but I believe it's partially because the cops focus on indians while making the caucasians look good. What about the ugly incident in Winnepeg a couple weeks ago with the White Street Racers and police? Apparently, the cops just laughed. There are some races linked to certain crimes then others. For example, why are most serial killers white? Are there any Scott Peterson types amongst other races?

[Mr.Canada]

The aboriginal prison population is interesting but I believe it's partially because the cops focus on indians while making the caucasians look good. What about the ugly incident in Winnepeg a couple weeks ago with the White Street Racers and police? Apparently, the cops just laughed. There are some races linked to certain crimes then others. For example, why are most serial killers white? Are there any Scott Peterson types amongst other races?

Yeah, it couldn't be that the majority of crimes are committed by certain ethnic groups in certain areas? This is the facts of life. Whites aren't the group selling crack and killing people in Toronto by and large per capita. Just like whites aren't the ones stealing cars and dealing drugs in Saskatoon or Regina per capita. It's simple and easy. I like to deal with reality not PC madness.

[Muddy]

If we are not allowed to recognize problems within certain racial groups,how do we address their problems? From strickly a WASP standard? Multiculturism is sometimes a hinderance to solving problems?

[M.Dancer]

When did we start racial profilling?

[Mr.Canada]

When did we start racial profilling?

Ah yes. Don't forget guys if it doesn't have a cite it doesn't exist. According to M.Dancer if no one has said it or their isn't some official policy someplace then this doesn't happen. Careful folks.

[krazy kanuck]

Would anyone out there in cyberspace deny the fact that most of the problems stem from white peoples not giving either the black or aboriginal people a fair chance at bettering themselves??

We have kept them from earning a decent living by ostracizing them according to race and colour.

Most lose their self respect and turn to crime to augment their meager income.

[M.Dancer]

Would anyone out there in cyberspace deny the fact that most of the problems stem from white peoples not giving either the black or aboriginal people a fair chance at bettering themselves??

Umm...no. I don't know more than a few handfuls of black men and women but each and everyone one I know is a professional who probably makes more money than me. They are teachers, doctors, senior financial executives, salespeople....

We have kept them from earning a decent living by ostracizing them according to race and colour.

Actually no. They have exactly the same opportunities as everyone else. They can go to school. university, get jobs....

Most lose their self respect and turn to crime to augment their meager income.

That is an extrememly racist sentiment.

[kimmy]

Does it really matter in news reports whether a criminal is black or white or yellow or green or red or blue?

If a gang of blue people robs a liquor store, the fact that it was a gang of blue people might help considerably in locating them.

If a man is arrested his colour really does not matter. Only if he is being hunted would his colour be of value to searchers.

To what extent should the identity of people who have been arrested and charged be hidden from the public?

If the suspect is named "Tranh Nguyen" or "Joe Eaglefeather", should that be supressed?

Should photographs of suspects be supressed?

If there's an element of the crime (say, cross-boarder smuggling at a reservation) that makes the race of the defendant obvious, should those elements of the story be hidden?

How far would you take this philosophy?

Does it only apply to criminals, or should race and ethnicity be hidden in all situations? If, say, an Asian immigrant makes some academic achievement, should it be hidden that he came from Hong Kong 3 years ago?

-k

[Yorkness]

If a gang of blue people robs a liquor store, the fact that it was a gang of blue people might help considerably in locating them.

To what extent should the identity of people who have been arrested and charged be hidden from the public?

If the suspect is named "Tranh Nguyen" or "Joe Eaglefeather", should that be supressed?

Should photographs of suspects be supressed?

If there's an element of the crime (say, cross-boarder smuggling at a reservation) that makes the race of the defendant obvious, should those elements of the story be hidden?

How far would you take this philosophy?

Does it only apply to criminals, or should race and ethnicity be hidden in all situations? If, say, an Asian immigrant makes some academic achievement, should it be hidden that he came from Hong Kong 3 years ago?

-k

Very good questions. In dealing with issues of public security the utmost transparency of information must be shared unless of course it could possibly negatively affect the public peace of mind or promote vigilancy. I think in dealing with crime perpetrators should be referred to as criminals and their ethnicity should not devaluate that condition.

[Mr.Canada]

Umm...no. I don't know more than a few handfuls of black men and women but each and everyone one I know is a professional who probably makes more money than me. They are teachers, doctors, senior financial executives, salespeople....

Actually no. They have exactly the same opportunities as everyone else. They can go to school. university, get jobs....

That is an extrememly racist sentiment.

I fully agree. I speak to many many people everyday of all races and creeds. Many people of colour are professionals and are otherwise gainfully employed and many make more money than I do as well. Everyone has the same opportunity to better themselves, this isn't the 1950's anymore so those arguments won't work.

The problem comes in when people as a whole attach themselves to this gansta lifestyle and form their lives to identify with this. This gangsta lifestyle today is portrayed by blacks for the most part. Some make this choice and some don't but the majority that do live this lifestyle are coloureds. This is where the stigma comes in. Any "bad area" in the city of TO is a black area with the latinos starting to emerge this is adding to the problem. There are no "bad areas" that are predominately white with white street gangs. This is an uncomfortable fact for many but doesn't make it any less true.

Racial profiling, no matter how wrong is a valuable tool in combating drugs and gangs. I'm sure many cops off the record would agree as would many professional coloured people.

[blueblood]

I fully agree. I speak to many many people everyday of all races and creeds. Many people of colour are professionals and are otherwise gainfully employed and many make more money than I do as well. Everyone has the same opportunity to better themselves, this isn't the 1950's anymore so those arguments won't work.

The problem comes in when people as a whole attach themselves to this gansta lifestyle and form their lives to identify with this. This gangsta lifestyle today is portrayed by blacks for the most part. Some make this choice and some don't but the majority that do live this lifestyle are coloureds. This is where the stigma comes in. Any "bad area" in the city of TO is a black area with the latinos starting to emerge this is adding to the problem. There are no "bad areas" that are predominately white with white street gangs. This is an uncomfortable fact for many but doesn't make it any less true.

Racial profiling, no matter how wrong is a valuable tool in combating drugs and gangs. I'm sure many cops off the record would agree as would many professional coloured people.

What a load of nonsense. Skids come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Racial profiling has nothing to do with it, it's skid spotting. If a skid is a certain color, well that's just coincidence.

There are also white criminal organizations as well as "colored" ones. Biker gangs and the mafia come to mind. Sorry, skids come in all shapes and sizes.

[Mr.Canada]

What a load of nonsense. Skids come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Racial profiling has nothing to do with it, it's skid spotting. If a skid is a certain color, well that's just coincidence.

There are also white criminal organizations as well as "colored" ones. Biker gangs and the mafia come to mind. Sorry, skids come in all shapes and sizes.

I feel we are both right, I'll explain.

In T.O it's predominantly young black people who are dealing the crack street level. So that's what the public and cops see the most as it's right outside their doors much of the time. I don't think many people would argue this point.

Quick, name the worst areas of the city...what's the demographic breakdown in those areas that came to mind? See my point.

However, where do you think the black people get the coke to cook into crack? From the white bikers and mafioso of coarse. Bikers and mafia work together a lot, this is a known fact.

See we're both right.

Edited January 20, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[blueblood]

I feel we are both right, I'll explain.

In T.O it's predominantly young black people who are dealing the crack street level. So that's what the public and cops see the most as it's right outside their doors much of the time. I don't think many people would argue this point.

Quick, name the worst areas of the city...what's the demographic breakdown in those areas that came to mind? See my point.

However, where do you think the black people get the coke to cook into crack? From the white bikers and mafioso of coarse. Bikers and mafia work together a lot, this is a known fact.

See we're both right.

White trash deals crack at street level the same as everyone else, one episode of cops or to serve and protect will put that myth to rest.

Then there is the Southern US, plenty of white trash there...

[Mr.Canada]

White trash deals crack at street level the same as everyone else, one episode of cops or to serve and protect will put that myth to rest.

Then there is the Southern US, plenty of white trash there...

I don't know why I'm even doing this as no matter what I say you're going to say it isn't true. Even though it is.

The most dangerous areas of Toronto. Also all predominantly black neighborhoods with gang and drug problems.

Jane and Finch, Regent Park, Moss Park, Keele and Lawrence(The Jungle), Flemingdon Park( Don Mills and Eg), Weston Rd + Rogers, Oakwood and St.clair, Willowridge, John Garland and Mount Olive(Rexdale).

I could go on and on but I won't, that's enough. Now find me as many areas in Toronto that have all white gangs who are dealing crack on the street please. You can't because they don't exist.

EDIT- Until the black community admits there is a serious problem in the black community it will never get better. As long as our politicians avoid the issue it will never get better. It's sad, everyone is more concerned about the optics than solving problems.

Edited January 21, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[guyser]

Now find me as many areas in Toronto that have all white gangs who are dealing crack

Ok, here ya go....

Jane and Finch, Regent Park, Moss Park, Keele and Lawrence(The Jungle), Flemingdon Park( Don Mills and Eg), Weston Rd + Rogers, Oakwood and St.clair, Willowridge, John Garland and Mount Olive(Rexdale).

Your welcome.

[Mr.Canada]

Ok, here ya go....

Your welcome.

There are no all white gangs in those areas sorry.

[guyser]

There are no all white gangs in those areas sorry.

So says the guy that doesnt live anywhere near there.

Who do you think is selling all the crap to the street level dealers? Yup, whitey.

Damn, shot another of yours huh?

[Muddy]

Yep the report goes out that a shooting has occured at Jane and Finch. Because of racial sensitivitys we can not tell you a discription of the two occupants left leaving the scene in a grey Honda. Cops stop the next Honda they see with two silver haired ladys inside with guns frawn. I mean you don`t want jump to any judgements now do we.

[guyser]

Yep the report goes out that a shooting has occured at Jane and Finch. Because of racial sensitivitys we can not tell you a discription of the two occupants left leaving the scene in a grey Honda.

If you think that is the way it happens, well, I feel sorry for you.

[Mr.Canada]

Yep the report goes out that a shooting has occured at Jane and Finch. Because of racial sensitivitys we can not tell you a discription of the two occupants left leaving the scene in a grey Honda. Cops stop the next Honda they see with two silver haired ladys inside with guns frawn. I mean you don`t want jump to any judgements now do we.

Yep and until our politicians stop worrying about being pc it won't get any better. The socialists need the blacks to be gangsters so they have a cause for white liberal guilt.

[Oleg Bach]

You have to profile crimmals by their decription...recently there was a shooting near the Toronto courts at the Osgoode subway station ---- Finally instead of giving a description of the clothing - they are saying - he was black - now that is helpful - before we profiled racially - the public did not have a clue of what the crimminal looked like...besides - It's 98% - that use street handguns...that are black - and that is reality.

[guyser]

The socialists need the blacks to be gangsters so they have a cause for white liberal guilt.

You being an uber socialist makes me worry. Why would you want gangsters?

[Oleg Bach]

You being an uber socialist makes me worry. Why would you want gangsters?

Nawh ---- It's the ultra rich boy conservatives who need and use the liberals to create gangsters so conservative judges and spoiled boy lawyer sons can earn a living - repeatedly with there catch and release system of justice...not to mention the possiblity that the nasty gangsters called the CIA like to send weapons to all sorts of nations to keep them social destablized - why should the American intelligence underworld treat us differently.?