M.Dancer Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 this is why i'm here. i'm here to teach you.israel violated the requirement under international humanitarian law the 1949 Geneva Protocol, which has a section on "General protection against effects of hostilities": (ii) take all feasible precautions in the choice of means and methods of attack with a view to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects; you can dance around it all you want, but israel violated another international law... again. you're here, being an apologist for a group the breaks international law, again. you guys are no better than those who are apologists for palestinian rocket launchers. It has already been adequaetlty demonstrated you are quite ill informed if not comletely ignorant. The only thing you are equipped is how to turn on your computer. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
lost&outofcontrol Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) We don't have to answer to your version of God or morality. I am pretty sure that all the major Christian denomination (or religions for that matter) hold morality to an absolute standard (God) and not your own. Did you really think your "discussion" had any more value or import? What is the point of having a discussion if everybody agrees? The original topic of discussion had no value since all (most) posters shared the same opinion. Once eyeball and I arrived, all posters (including yourself) agreed that Israel did use 'WP' making further discussion of no value. As a consequence, the topic of discussion was quickly changed to the morality of using 'WP' by DogOnPorch and yourself. See on that works? The most obvious truths becomes obviously false once we dare not look at them for fear of change. Edited January 17, 2009 by lost&outofcontrol Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 I am pretty sure that all the major Christian denomination hold morality to an absolute standard (God) and not your own. For Kristsakes, this has little to do with Christianity. What an ironic point to make. What is the point of having a discussion if everybody agrees? The original topic of discussion had no value since all (most) posters shared the same opinion. Once eyeball and I arrived, all posters (including yourself) agreed that Israel did use 'WP' making further discussion of no value. As a consequence, the topic of discussion was quickly changed to the morality of using 'WP' by DogOnPorch and yourself. See on that works? But it's always fun to get the tear jerkers involved. Oh the humanity! (sobbing) The most obvious truths becomes obviously false once we dare not look at them for fear of change. There is no such thing as truth....but there is plenty of change. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lost&outofcontrol Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 For Kristsakes, this has little to do with Christianity. What an ironic point to make. It really i not that hard to follow. You made the comment that you do not answer to my version of God. To which I replied that my version is probably the same as your. The only difference is that you chose to ignore the areas where you disagree with Him and I do not. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 It really i not that hard to follow. You made the comment that you do not answer to my version of God. To which I replied that my version is probably the same as your. The only difference is that you chose to ignore the areas where you disagree with Him and I do not. WTF? Your "God"....Hell, anyone's "God" doesn't mean squat to me. This is not a religious issue, but it does involve belief systems grounded in far more relevant bedrock. I worship Applied Physics. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
lost&outofcontrol Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 WTF? Your "God"....Hell, anyone's "God" doesn't mean squat to me. This is not a religious issue, but it does involve belief systems grounded in far more relevant bedrock.I worship Applied Physics. To paraphrase Wolfgang Goethe's Faust : Physics calls it "The handling of nature" It fools itself and knows not how. It has the parts right in its hand, But it lacks, alas just the spiritual bond. I will leave you and your kind alone and let you get back to your justification of war crimes with which you were all so preoccupied with. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 ...I will leave you and your kind alone and let you get back to your justification of war crimes with which you were all so preoccupied with. Of course.....thank you for playing our game with the physics of doped semiconductors, thin film resistors, thermoplastics, and fiber optics. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dub Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 It has already been adequaetlty demonstrated you are quite ill informed if not comletely ignorant. The only thing you are equipped is how to turn on your computer. that's your response to the geneva protocal? i didn't expect anything more. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2009 Report Posted January 17, 2009 Because history forgets about individual deaths we should ignore them as they happen in the present?! Your mighty logic has easily prevailed over me. That's you putting words in my mouth. I'm merely predicting the future. I bow to your greatness. Well you can stop. Like BC-2004, I ain't a particularly God-fearin' fellow. ---------------------------------------- Holy crap here comes Jesus...and he doesn't look too happy. ---Peter: Family Guy Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted January 18, 2009 Report Posted January 18, 2009 I'm still laughing at the fake outrage over the use of legal weapons.... What's tomorrows anto israel outrage? ISRAEL DENIES USING PROJECTILES Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dub Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 I'm still laughing at the fake outrage over the use of legal weapons.... the matter in which the weapons were used is illegal. you seem to keep either missing that point or purposely avoiding to deal with it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) the matter in which the weapons were used is illegal. you seem to keep either missing that point or purposely avoiding to deal with it. It has been dealt with and I still laugh.... The International Red Cross...has declared that Israel's use of WP not in violation. So who are you going to believe? The Red Cross or some half wits who neither understand the Geneva Convention or the uses of WP? Edited January 19, 2009 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
BigAl Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Oh really? How did this situation come to be in the first place? Do we go back to the First World War? The Crusades? The Byzantines? The Islamic Invasions? The Romans? The Greeks? The Assyrians? The Egyptians?---------------------------------- Ugh... See, that's the big problem, right? It's very easy for any or all of us to get up in arms about the situation in the Middle East, and clearly it's something that should be discussed and measured etc. because otherwise we'll never get to any kind of solution. But placing blame -- original blame -- is as tenuous as it is pointless. The fact of the matter is people on both sides are dying by the scores, both sides have serious crimes to answer to, and frankly I don't think there's a one among you -- myself included -- who can stand in judgment over anyone. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 See, that's the big problem, right? It's very easy for any or all of us to get up in arms about the situation in the Middle East, and clearly it's something that should be discussed and measured etc. because otherwise we'll never get to any kind of solution. But placing blame -- original blame -- is as tenuous as it is pointless. The fact of the matter is people on both sides are dying by the scores, both sides have serious crimes to answer to, and frankly I don't think there's a one among you -- myself included -- who can stand in judgment over anyone. We can discuss but we can't judge? ---------------------------------- Back in those days, we used to call 'em "walking birds" (turkeys). ---Abe Simpson Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BigAl Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 We can discuss but we can't judge? ---------------------------------- Back in those days, we used to call 'em "walking birds" (turkeys). ---Abe Simpson Yeah, that's about the size of it. Discussion is great -- standing on a soapbox isn't so much. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Yeah, that's about the size of it. Discussion is great -- standing on a soapbox isn't so much. And who would be deciding what is 'discussion' and what is 'soap-box'? You? -------------------------------- Do I know what rhetorical means?? ---Home Simpson Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BigAl Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 And who would be deciding what is 'discussion' and what is 'soap-box'? You? -------------------------------- Do I know what rhetorical means?? ---Home Simpson Being as I'm promoting neutral discussion of the facts as opposed to emotionally-charged biased rhetoric, I guess you could say I'm standing on a soap-box...but it sort of goes against the traditional definition, no? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Being as I'm promoting neutral discussion of the facts as opposed to emotionally-charged biased rhetoric, I guess you could say I'm standing on a soap-box...but it sort of goes against the traditional definition, no? Neutral according to who? Seriously. We already have mods here. Want to be one? Apply. ------------------------------------------ It's a Daisy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Higgly Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Let's all step back a momo and consider who might accuse Israel of burning babies to a deathly cinder by using white P. It must be a.. oh wait.. a global... And then we have cluster bombs. Torture. The Geneva Conventions. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. Damn. Israel. Come and see the Church of the Nativity! Oops. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
KeyStone Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hmmm let's see. We have Palestinians saying that Israel is using white phosphorous in their bombs. We have Israel saying that they are only using it for smokescreens and to mark their targets. Can we at least agree that using white phosphorous against people (military, terrorist, or civilian) is wrong. Having people burn to death in horrible pain is wrong. Can we agree on that? Otherwise there is no point in having this discussion. Let's establish that before moving on to debate how Israel is using it. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hmmm let's see. We have Palestinians saying that Israel is using white phosphorous in their bombs. We have Israel saying that they are only using it for smokescreens and to mark their targets. Can we at least agree that using white phosphorous against people (military, terrorist, or civilian) is wrong. Having people burn to death in horrible pain is wrong. Can we agree on that? Otherwise there is no point in having this discussion. Let's establish that before moving on to debate how Israel is using it. Let's put it this way. If you had to choose between a 155mm HE shell or a 155mm WP shell exploding above your head...which would you prefer? ---------------------------------- Up is down. Left is right. In is out. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Can we at least agree that using white phosphorous against people (military, terrorist, or civilian) is wrong. Having people burn to death in horrible pain is wrong. Can we agree on that? Gosh no! Horrible way to die? Sure...wrong to use it against combatants..no. Inefficient, probably...seeing that WP is not a incendiary weapon Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Let's put it this way. If you had to choose between a 155mm HE shell or a 155mm WP shell exploding above your head...which would you prefer?---------------------------------- Up is down. Left is right. In is out. Can I be under a 4'x8' sheet of plywood? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hey...you can wear steel skivies if you think it'll help. Here's a wee reminder what HE does... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDUFrLcc2E -------------------------------------- Owwwwwwwwwww! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hey...you can wear steel skivies if you think it'll help. Here's a wee reminder what HE does... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDUFrLcc2E -------------------------------------- Owwwwwwwwwww! Yep, but if i can have the sheet of plywood I'll take the WP over the HE... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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