Harper The Albertan Oilman

[cgarrett]

harper on kyoto:

"It is a terrible deal for the country," he told reporters. "It's the worst international agreement this country has ever signed."

bush is from texas.. harper from alberta! global warming isn't happening? alternative energy sources don't exist? the exon led... i mean u.s. led slaughter of 8 million iraqis was necessary (10 billion barrels of crude estimated in kurdish iraq alone)?

[sir_springer]

harper on kyoto:

"It is a terrible deal for the country," he told reporters. "It's the worst international agreement this country has ever signed."

bush is from texas.. harper from alberta! global warming isn't happening? alternative energy sources don't exist? the exon led... i mean u.s. led slaughter of 8 million iraqis was necessary (10 billion barrels of crude estimated in kurdish iraq alone)?

Where did you dream up such utter crap as that one?

Good grief.

US led slaughter of 8 million Iraqis???

What? Can't make a case on facts, so just make it up as you go along or what?

You know why Harper is against Kyoto?

Because it's a ludicrous bunch of garbage, and will contribute dick to solving air polution. However, it will transfer a ton of cash out of our country to others. Great idea.

Do your homework. Anyone can be a parrot.

[cgarrett]

i believed this number to be posted in the globe and mail... if i am incorrect then please post the correct number of iraqi men, women and children killed because i cannot currently justify it... i guess you are implying that some number of iraqi non-combatant deaths is justified.

while we are on the subject of facts... please state "facts" regarding why kyoto is a "bunch of garbage". i'm also interested in how it will transfer wealth out of our country.

and if you are concerned about wealth transfer from our country, then you should be concerned about harpers policies on free trade, globalization and the continued selling of canadian industry to foreign entities... britain and the united states entertain 2-3% foreign ownership as do most european countries. japan almost 0%. canada has 30% foreign ownership. these figures i am sure of and will produce evidence to support it.

[Kiraly]

... please state "facts" regarding why kyoto is a "bunch of garbage". i'm also interested in how it will transfer wealth out of our country.

Doesn't sound like you have read the Kyoto Protocols, n'est pas?

[willy]

Cgarrett, if you need to have an example of why Kyoto is not practical I can give you a few. Let’s just start with one.

We have no way of meeting our current power needs and still meeting the targets set by Kyoto. Example: Saskatchewan has no hydro and they must burn coal. Solar and wind are fine concepts but they do not produce the power needed. Unless we start building more nuclear there is no other option but to turn out the lights and shut down the factories.

My guess is the Liberal didn’t care to meet the targets. There is no stick if you don’t meet the Kyoto targets. It was just good politics for them to sign on.

I would trust Harper on economic policy more than you as he is an economist.

What concept of trade do you hold?

We have a massive trade surplus with the states. We sell more than we buy. Free trade as a big picture thing has been good. If we can convince our American friends to play by the rules (i.e. softwood lumber) it would be even better.

Let me guess you would have voted for David Orchard.

[maplesyrup]

Kyoto.......apparently there is overwhelming support for Kyoto in Canada, and in the business community as well.

A recent analysis suggested that the business community's opposition to Canada's position was being driven by a very small but vocal group within the business community.

There is both overwhelming support and scientific evidence to suggest Canada needs to do even more that live up to its Kyoto committments. Sometimes Canada needs to demonstrate healthy leadership on issues. Kyoto is a case in point.

Poll says top execs backed Kyoto

By CP

OTTAWA -- Business lobby groups that fought ratification of the Kyoto protocol were not reflecting the view of most executives in Canada, suggests a poll done at the height of the debate. Almost three-quarters of senior corporate executives, interviewed in November and December 2002, supported Canada's commitment to the agreement, according to a Compas survey.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/N.../21/390107.html

Does this not confirm how the private media works in collusion with powerful wealthy business interests to distort reality in an attempt to malipulate our society?

Thank goodness for the CBC

[Goldie]

I hate to chime in mostly because springer don't need help.

However, I was completely astounded that anyone on this planet could believe 8 million anything was slaughtered in Iraq over the past year.

No loss of life is worth oil, but that war was not about oil. At least not like the left thinks. You see the US could have signed all the contracts for oil they wanted with little effort, like France. So why spend Billions, suffer a loss of life, not to mention Bush's political life getting something they could have gotten with the cost of a couple of Bic pens? Really think about that, how will Bush benefit from the oil? Do you people think he'll keep it in Crawford and sell it to the highest bidder? Now lets suppose he took out Saddam to provide North America with cheap oil by increasing production in Iraq. Being from Texas wouldn't the drop in prices hurt the Texas economy and his rich buddies.

Maybe Bush invaded Iraq to stifle oil production and make his rich buddies richer? Except the sanctions were already doing that.

Now I don't know how Stephen Harper is connected to oil but maybe it is enough that he lives in Alberta to be labled oil friendly. While I don't accept the weak assumption that you stated you should be aware that the oil patches in Alberta help pay for health care in Quebec. The fact Mr. Harper would want to protect that resource from undue hardship makes him the true champion of free health care.

[theWatcher]

Kyoto is more of a wealth transfer tax then an environmental cleanup.

Few questions for you Kyoto'ers.

1. Why are the countries (India, China, Russia?) that produce the most pollution exempt from the tax? China and India have THIRTY TIMES our population, they create more CO2 just simpy by breathing.

2. Why is a country that produces less than a tenth of the pollution of the countries from point 1 forced to pay them money in the form of transfer points or what not?

3. Scientists have found global warming on Mars. How can this be? Could it be the fact that the sun is just getting hotter? Perhaps in some form of cycle?

3. Why is it ok to exempt central Canadian manufacturing (example car manufacturers) from the tax? Cars make the pollution too, why is it that the oil companies are being singled out?

4. Isn't it possible to have Canada reduce its CO2 output without paying out money to other companies? Couldn't that same money be used to help our industries reduce the output even more?

[sir_springer]

Read Ezra Levant's book on the Kyoto Accord. It's very enlightening.

Will give you a tad bit of insight into Paul Martin's mentor, Maruice Strong, as well.

If...and this is a huge IF...Canada can actually live up to its commitments on Kyoto, the net cut in CO2 emmissions worldwide will be .2%, two tenths of one percent.

The cost to the Canadian economy will be astronomical.

CO2 has nothing to do with smog, and the particulate matter therein that hovers over our major urban centers like Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal. It is that pollution that is responsible for health problems, acid rain, polluted waters, and defoliation of forests.

Kyoto does absolutely SFA to address air pollution.

Harper announced as a major part of his policy platform intentions to bring down tough new standards to address all forms of pollution, reaching far beyond anything Kyoto could possibly achieve.

Kyoto is to air pollution what the gun registry is to crime control: a bunch of fluff to con the masses into thinking something substantial is being done by politicians.

IOW, it's a scam that, far as actual results, isn't worth the paper on which it is written.

[Kiraly]

Kyoto is to air pollution what the gun registry is to crime control: a bunch of fluff to con the masses into thinking something substantial is being done by politicians.

That is a great analogy.

[maplesyrup]

I wonder how Canadian voters are going to appreciate harper supporting the war on Iraq.

I have a feeling that issue is going to come back and slap him hard during the election campaign.

Before the war it was it 50 or 60% opposed?

Now it is probably 80% opposed.

Mind you the Liberals have a problem in this area as well.

[maplesyrup]

Stephen Harper's victory? Bof! It's different in Quebec

Only fight is Bloc vs. Liberals: experts. Conservative leader's past with Alliance makes him 'devil incarnate,' pollster says 

HUBERT BAUCH

The Gazette

Monday, March 22, 2004

Bof!

It's Québécois slang for big deal or so what?

In a single word, it sums up the general reaction to Stephen Harper's coming as leader of the united-right Conservative Party of Canada.

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgaz...CB-17201F947F76

So much for the Cons in Quebec.

I wonder what percentage of the ROC feel the same way. Liberals are lucky.

[August1991]

I have a suspicion that those national numbers, 60% against the war, are boosted by Quebec where the Tories will get nothing anyway.

The key question is the number of Ontarians who are pro-war or more important, pro-US - and who will factor this is in when voting.

But you have a point, MapleSyrup, Trudeau's criticism of Mulroney was that he was a "pleutre" (a poltroon) and that he kowtowed ("faisait la courbette") to the Americans.

Chretien followed Trudeau's advice. Canadians (both English and French) like a PM who stands up to the Yanks.

We're childish in that way but Harper isn't going to change us.