Canadian Political Polls

Cuzzin E · August 20, 2009

As a former NDP supporter, I will not come back until Layton is gone. I know many people, myself included, are not pleased how easily he shed this principles in attempt to form a coalition gov't. One day he's demanding troops come home now, and now he's willing to accept the war? His move to the 'centre' is a sell out.

punked · August 20, 2009

I think you are letting your hopes get in the way of your objectivity. Yes, you have a record number of seats in Ontario. You also took those seats away from the Liberals when they had that loser Dion as leader!
You don't have that advantage anymore. Neither does Harper, for that matter. I know in my own riding the NDP candidate only squeaked by, in a riding that was very strong Liberal for years.

It's true that Ontario folks have a bad impression of the NDP brand. Instead of accepting windfall benefits from Liberals screwing up perhaps they could make more gains by showing a face that's new and different! Provincially, Andrea Horvath is a nice lady but when she makes a speech it sounds like something cut and pasted from 1965.

I've been saying it for years that the NDP seems to be rabidly against moving with the times. Unio membership is far lower today than in 1965 yet their campaign speeches make it perfectly obvious that they are only for unions and those on government assistance. They pay lip service to small business 'cuz they would love to get their support but so far they've not come up with a blessed thing in their platform to appeal to them!

They desperately need to re-invent themselves. Layton is no Tony Blair, by a long shot. Laxer tried to tell them but they shot the messenger.

If my granny had wheels she wouldn't bump her ass when she hopped. Or some such platitude!

The NDP is a good example of how when you run only on dreams you rarely actually accomplish anything.

I think you are making up your own impression of the NDP from your past stereotypes. The NDP only took 5 seats in Ontario form the Liberals meaning there is 12 seats which are all their own winning them from the Conservatives or taking them from Paul Martin.

As for being in it only for the Unions I think the NDP is moving to be in it for the little guy a sort of populous party. What has been their two newest bills which they introduce next sitting? One bill to make it so small town mechanics and car hobbiest are given the specs of a Car from the big time car cooperations who make it hard for anyone but a dealership to fix a car. The other big bill they are introducing is a Manitoba NDP bill taken to widen it to all of Canada. That is to take most of the tax off of small bisuness. These are Union bills how so?

Honestly we will run hard next election and I think we see gains in our vote, if that transfers to seats we will see. Our MPs have been working hard introducing 60% of all private member bills, and I think we have put our selves in a good place.

benny · August 20, 2009

I think you are making up your own impression of the NDP from your past stereotypes. The NDP only took 5 seats in Ontario form the Liberals meaning there is 12 seats which are all their own winning them from the Conservatives or taking them from Paul Martin.
As for being in it only for the Unions I think the NDP is moving to be in it for the little guy a sort of populous party. What has been their two newest bills which they introduce next sitting? One bill to make it so small town mechanics and car hobbiest are given the specs of a Car from the big time car cooperations who make it hard for anyone but a dealership to fix a car. The other big bill they are introducing is a Manitoba NDP bill taken to widen it to all of Canada. That is to take most of the tax off of small bisuness. These are Union bills how so?

Honestly we will run hard next election and I think we see gains in our vote, if that transfers to seats we will see. Our MPs have been working hard introducing 60% of all private member bills, and I think we have put our selves in a good place.

You are extrapolating from polls results a lot!

punked · August 20, 2009

You are extrapolating from polls results a lot!

This is more talking to the issues raised the poll results mean a stale mate, the Liberals will grab from the Cons, some from the NDP and we will be in the same place as always.

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

Good luck wasting money. Like I said we aren't scared of you.
If the Liberals think they are about to become government like they were saying last election, they are mistaken.

They were saying that they were the only Opposition party capable of taking over for the Tories. That remains true now as well.

benny · August 20, 2009

This is more talking to the issues

It's off-topic anyway.

Dave_ON · August 20, 2009

We would never try to replace the LPC becuase our party tries to do what it says it will do. However we do run against both the LPC and CPC and because of that we often point out how we are different. As for the first this you said you know we have a record number of seats in Ontario right?

It's difficult to say what the NDP would actually do if they ever took power. It's one thing to promise the world during an election but when you finally sit down and open the books, reality comes crashing down. I'm sure the NDP are well intentioned but heretofore they are untested in the position of Government of Canada.

As for the NDP's current Ontario seat count, it remains to be seen if they can manage to hold onto those seats much less make gains on them.

benny · August 20, 2009

It's difficult to say what the NDP would actually do if they ever took power. It's one thing to promise the world during an election but when you finally sit down and open the books, reality comes crashing down. I'm sure the NDP are well intentioned but heretofore they are untested in the position of Government of Canada.
As for the NDP's current Ontario seat count, it remains to be seen if they can manage to hold onto those seats much less make gains on them.

This is a thread about media polls.

punked · August 20, 2009

They were saying that they were the only Opposition party capable of taking over for the Tories. That remains true now as well.

It is a false arguement. They will say it time, and time again as long as people believe it, it will true. Problem is poll numbers tell us they aren't going to do it. So why not through your support behind a party that at least is ready to stand up to the Conservatives, 79 straight votes, if you want the Cons to do whatever they want sure vote for the Liberals. Otherwise there is another party.

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

It is a false arguement. They will say it time, and time again as long as people believe it, it will true. Problem is poll numbers tell us they aren't going to do it. So why not through your support behind a party that at least is ready to stand up to the Conservatives, 79 straight votes, if you want the Cons to do whatever they want sure vote for the Liberals. Otherwise there is another party.

And yet, we see no signs that the NDP are about to make the jump to Official Opposition or Government. Or are you indicating that this is what will happen in the coming election? The polls indicate the NDP has not been able to go over 20%.

In fact, most of the polls shows the NDP have been down since the last election.

Edited August 20, 2009 by jdobbin

punked · August 20, 2009

And yet, we see no signs that the NDP are about to make the jump to Official Opposition or Government. Or are you indicating that this is what will happen in the coming election? The polls indicate the NDP has not been able to go over 20%.
In fact, most of the polls shows the NDP have been down since the last election.

Whenever the NDP has taken over we haven't seen much indication until we got into the election, we started the last election at 14% of the vote. When we won in Ontario it came from no where. That doesn't mean anything Dobbin, I am tired of the Liberals scaring people into voting for them run on a record, run on policy please I am tire of this.

benny · August 20, 2009

Whenever the NDP has taken over we haven't seen much indication until we got into the election, we started the last election at 14% of the vote. When we won in Ontario it came from no where. That doesn't mean anything Dobbin, I am tired of the Liberals scaring people into voting for them run on a record, run on policy please I am tire of this.

If you don't believe the media polls, what are you doing on this thread!?

Edited August 20, 2009 by benny

punked · August 20, 2009

If you don't believe the media polls, what are you doing on this thread!?

I never said I didn't believe them they were spot on last election, I said as an election was called last election the NDP positioned strengthened. I have taken issue from time to time with push polls but I am not one to see they can worth some value.

Now here is my question on the LAst day of EKOS polling the NDP pulled in a 25% number would Dobbin believe that?

Edited August 20, 2009 by punked

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

Whenever the NDP has taken over we haven't seen much indication until we got into the election, we started the last election at 14% of the vote. When we won in Ontario it came from no where. That doesn't mean anything Dobbin, I am tired of the Liberals scaring people into voting for them run on a record, run on policy please I am tire of this.

I'm not scaring anyone. I'm just saying I'm not seeing victory coming out of nowhere.

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

I never said I didn't believe them they were spot on last election, I said as an election was called last election the NDP positioned strengthened. I have taken issue from time to time with push polls but I am not one to see they can worth some value.
Now here is my question on the LAst day of EKOS polling the NDP pulled in a 25% number would Dobbin believe that?

I generally look at the range of a number of polls. If you look at the last week's average, it was almost exactly what the NDP scored in the election.

punked · August 20, 2009

I'm not scaring anyone. I'm just saying I'm not seeing victory coming out of nowhere.

Good thing they are only a 4 point swing from last election to over taken the Liberals then eh? Quit the fear mongering, your party should be better then that.

punked · August 20, 2009

I generally look at the range of a number of polls. If you look at the last week's average, it was almost exactly what the NDP scored in the election.

I agree we are sitting where we were last election, but last election we gained a lot of support during the election, if we can fallow that the same way we can break through 20% and make it a three way race.

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

Good thing they are only a 4 point swing from last election to over taken the Liberals then eh? Quit the fear mongering, your party should be better then that.

And your predictions of taking over should be looked at with a grain of salt. It was rather ridiculous last election when Layton tried pushing the idea that he was headed for government. It fell as flat as the Tories talking about their majority government in 2004.

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

I agree we are sitting where we were last election, but last election we gained a lot of support during the election, if we can fallow that the same way we can break through 20% and make it a three way race.

And if you don't? What do you think might be the cause?

punked · August 20, 2009

And your predictions of taking over should be looked at with a grain of salt. It was rather ridiculous last election when Layton tried pushing the idea that he was headed for government. It fell as flat as the Tories talking about their majority government in 2004.

I think the samething of the Liberals last election. I think all parties need to run more on policy and what they will do. Too bad the NDP are the only ones who are talking about policy and vision though.

punked · August 20, 2009

And if you don't? What do you think might be the cause?

I will have to speak to that after the election occurs wouldn't I becuase right now I am focused on helping make that break though happen? There is no reason why it shouldn't besides Liberal fear mongering, we have great policy which has worked in the provinces, we are working to make that policy happen, and we aren't just campaigning 24/7. It will be a hard fought election no doubt about it and it can go anyway from where I stand.

benny · August 20, 2009

I never said I didn't believe them

You doubt about media polls' predicting power though!

jdobbin · August 20, 2009

I will have to speak to that after the election occurs wouldn't I becuase right now I am focused on helping make that break though happen? There is no reason why it shouldn't besides Liberal fear mongering, we have great policy which has worked in the provinces, we are working to make that policy happen, and we aren't just campaigning 24/7. It will be a hard fought election no doubt about it and it can go anyway from where I stand.

So, you are already saying Liberal fearmongering will be to blame. Maybe you'll blame the ethnic vote as well. Yeesh.

punked · August 20, 2009

You doubt about media polls' predicting power though!

No I have never said that, near the end the Polls predicted a Rea win, I am saying Polls can not see the future they are a snap shot of the present. I studied stats I know polls are often true give or take depending on what is asked and how it is asked. I have been one of the people here who really looks at polls. Do I think a party should live and die by the poll no, but they do show you a snapshot of the nation.

punked · August 20, 2009

So, you are already saying Liberal fearmongering will be to blame. Maybe you'll blame the ethnic vote as well. Yeesh.

No I am saying it has been to blame, along with a poor message, and crappy moves from with in the central party. I can't speak to the future Dobbin I am sorry I am not a Liberal I can not see the future, I can see is happening right now and I think you guys are doing well but it is not at the NDP's expense. I also see in an election the NDP often out performs the polls going into it.