Abortion Reform Poll

[Mr.Canada]

Well given the amount of heated discussion we've been having on the topic. I thought it acceptable and interesting to hold a poll on the subject.

Posting a comment isn't necessary but it would be nice if everyone voted. So we can see how MLW as a whole stands on the issue.

[madmax]

I see that there is no term limit on Incest, Rape, or Danger to the mother. So, a perfectly healthy fetus can be terminated up to 9months according to the current two people who choose this answer.

Sounds like a Choice Question that ends up being left between a Women and her Medical Practitioner. Much as it is today.

That said, there is nothing here about changes to the criminal code.

Edited January 14, 2009 by Charles Anthony
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[Mr.Canada]

Are you feeling ok? A woman would be given the choice if she were raped or conceived through incest or if the Mother could die. These are the only ways to get an abortion is what the question states. As it is a rape victim is given the morning after pill now. I think everyone else understands the question just fine.

I know what you're trying to do. You're just trying to cheapen my poll.

Thanks for the bump and helping to keep this on top of the page!

Edited January 14, 2009 by Charles Anthony
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[trooper]

This poll is useless as it will not happen in the US, let alone in Canada. The truth is, abortion will continue even when it is banned much to the pro-lifers chagrin.

An even more important issue would be how much of an opportunity these kids get who are born in low-income families get. Being pro-life just doesn't end after birth but should be until the death which unfortunately many pro-life activists forget.

The anti-poor wealthy ultra-right wing who supports the pro-life activists should also understand that it's not a cut and dry issue.

[madmax]

A woman would be given the choice if she were raped or conceived through incest or if the Mother could die. These are the only ways to get an abortion is what the question states.

I know what you're trying to do. You're just trying to cheapen my poll.

I am clarifying that your polls allows for the woman the Choice to terminate a pregnancy but under conditions that only you agree to. The choice to continue the pregnancy to term, still belongs with the woman. The reasons and rational to give her that choice belong to you.

Not only do the criteria of right and wrong belong to you, but you have decided that 9 months is ok.

I could not cheapen this poll.

But you have left the final decision to the woman who is pregnant. That is still choice.

[Mr.Canada]

I am clarifying that your polls allows for the woman the Choice to terminate a pregnancy but under conditions that only you agree to. The choice to continue the pregnancy to term, still belongs with the woman. The reasons and rational to give her that choice belong to you.

Not only do the criteria of right and wrong belong to you, but you have decided that 9 months is ok.

I could not cheapen this poll.

But you have left the final decision to the woman who is pregnant. That is still choice.

Alright sure but only under specific conditions. Canada is the only country that will abort a pregnancy at 9 months. That is insane.

Rape and Incest are usually caught pretty quickly so it's a non issue. The only one that could potentially take longer is the danger to the Mother but this happens much less frequently so the number of abortions would be greatly reduced. In turn reducing the number of babies murdered.

Edited January 3, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[madmax]

The anti-poor wealthy ultra-right wing who supports the pro-life activists should also understand that it's not a cut and dry issue.

Are you suggesting that centres with pro life activists who talk young women into having the baby over the abortion, then ignore and abandon the single mom on welfare, or ostracise her?

In my area, young girls having babies is exploding at a pace we haven't seen. Many of these groups have been very effective and now the government has built child care centers for girls with babies/toddlers at the highschool and who live on their own on welfare after classes.

Edited January 3, 2009 by madmax

[madmax]

Alright sure but only under specific conditions. Canada is the only country that will abort a pregnancy at 9 months. That is insane.

You put it in your poll and two people who agree to the conditional abortion in your poll are insane that it allows for up to 9 months?

And I don't know how insane it would be, but if you could have a child and at 9 months you were denied an abortion because your life was endanger, I would miss you...... just like in LOVE STORY

Rape and Incest are usually caught pretty quickly so it's a non issue.

And if they are not?

The only one that could potentially take longer is the danger to the Mother but this happens much less frequently so the number of abortions would be greatly reduced. In turn reducing the number of babies murdered.

So is it murder or not? If you are allowing it but still calling it murder, it is a crime.

So where are the changes to the criminal code? What are the penalties?

[Mr.Canada]

You put it in your poll and two people who agree to the conditional abortion in your poll are insane that it allows for up to 9 months?

And I don't know how insane it would be, but if you could have a child and at 9 months you were denied an abortion because your life was endanger, I would miss you...... just like in LOVE STORY

And if they are not?

So is it murder or not? If you are allowing it but still calling it murder, it is a crime.

So where are the changes to the criminal code? What are the penalties?

I'm not a politician or a lawyer but I'm sure the Dr. who goes against his oath will be brought before the CMA for a hearing. That will be up to them to decide. I'm only making sure the issue will be in the news, what they do with it after that is up to the MP's.

[punked]

It does not matter 75% of the Canadian public wish there to be no change to the abortion laws of Canada. This poll will just show how out of touch people on this forum are.

[bush_cheney2004]

It does not matter 75% of the Canadian public wish there to be no change to the abortion laws of Canada. This poll will just show how out of touch people on this forum are.

Yesterday you said it was 70%....make up your mind.

So 70% of Canadians want same or less abortion laws.

[Smallc]

OMG, what a striking difference in the numbers...clearly lying.

Edited January 3, 2009 by Smallc

[punked]

Yesterday you said it was 70%....make up your mind.

So 70% of Canadians want same or less abortion laws.

This is true but 80% of Canadians believe the only people who can make these decisions are the women themselves. This implies 80% of Canadians feel even if wrong the decision should be left to the women and not regulated.

The real number is closer to 72%

In a Gallup Canada poll taken April 2005, 52% of respondents say they would like to see Canadian abortion laws "remain the same," 20% say they would like the laws to be "less strict," while 24% say they would like the laws to be "more strict."

[Mr.Canada]

Keep the votes coming folks and try to ignore the comments made against myself. Some people at MLW just don't like differing opinions too much.

A majority of Canadians support Government regulation of abortion as shown in this poll from 2007.

[punked]

2008 Poll showing 45 per cent of respondents believe abortion should be permitted in all cases, 22 per cent would subject the procedure to greater restrictions than now, 18 per cent think abortion should be permitted only in cases such as rape, incest and to save the woman's life

http://www.angusreidstrategies.com/polls-a...a-appointment-m

This is pointless though becuase this an opinion but 80% of Canadians think it should left up to the mother not to the government. This is like asking "Do you think there should be porn on the Internet?" well 40% of people might say no although if you asked "Do you think the government should take all porn off the Internet?" That 40% would shrink to 10-5% if that was the question. See how they are different questions? Asking what people feel and what they think the government should do are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS!

Edited January 4, 2009 by punked

[Mr.Canada]

Keep the votes coming. We need as many people as possible to vote. Let's try to limit the amount of babies being killed and thrown in a dumpster behind abortion clinics.

Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[stignasty]

1983: A Gallup poll shows that 72 per cent of Canadians believe the decision to abort should rest solely with the pregnant woman and her doctor.

1988: The Supreme Court of Canada strikes down Canada's abortion law as unconstitutional. The law is found to violate Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms because it infringes upon a woman's right to "life, liberty and security of person." Chief Justice Brian Dickson writes: "Forcing a woman, by threat of criminal sanction, to carry a fetus to term unless she meets certain criteria unrelated to her own priorities and aspirations, is a profound interference with a woman's body and thus a violation of her security of the person." Canada becomes one of a small number of countries without a law restricting abortion. Abortion is now treated like any other medical procedure and is governed by provincial and medical regulations.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/abortion/

In a June 2008 Angus Reid Strategies poll, almost half of respondents (46%) believe abortion should be permitted in all cases. Roughly one-in-five Canadians (19%) would subject abortion to greater restrictions than now, 22 per cent would allow the procedure only in cases such as rape, incest and to save the woman's life, and seven per cent would only permit abortion to save the woman's life.

In addition, half of Canadians (49%) believe abortion should be legal under any circumstances. Conversely, 42 per cent of respondents want the procedure to be legal only under certain circumstances, while five per cent would outlaw abortion altogether. Younger, wealthier and university-educated respondents are more likely to uphold the legality of abortion.

http://angusreidstrategies.com/uploads/pag...20_Abortion.pdf

[stignasty]

babies being killed and thrown in a dumpster behind abortion clinics.

This kind of bullshit is the reason I hate to post here anymore.

[Mr.Canada]

Yes, abortion has never been voted on in any capacity. It should be. Let the people decide.

[punked]

Yes, abortion has never been voted on in any capacity. It should be. Let the people decide.

Nope you don;t get to do this with every problem you don't agree with. The majority does not get to enforce its will on a minority, you aren't in the majority BTW. Next you will want a vote on killing all the immigrants. That is not the way it works, we have had 3 referendums in Canada's whole existence and this wont be the fourth because the Courts would rule it an unjust law. That is just how it is.

[Mr.Canada]

Nope you don;t get to do this with every problem you don't agree with. The majority does not get to enforce its will on a minority, you aren't in the majority BTW. Next you will want a vote on killing all the immigrants. That is not the way it works, we have had 3 referendums in Canada's whole existence and this wont be the fourth because the Courts would rule it an unjust law. That is just how it is.

Hey, you've said many times that 62% didn't vote for Harper and that the Coalition should be allowed. Isn't that the majority enforcing its will on he minority too? So it's ok for you to do but not for us right? A vote is fair.

This kind of bullshit is the reason I hate to post here anymore.

That is precisely what abortion clinics do with the babies they kill. They throw the babies into the garbage.

Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[gordiecanuk]

Well given the amount of heated discussion we've been having on the topic. I thought it acceptable and interesting to hold a poll on the subject.

Posting a comment isn't necessary but it would be nice if everyone voted. So we can see how MLW as a whole stands on the issue.

Looking at the numbers from the poll you posted MC it appears MLW posters overwhelming endorse a woman's right to choose. I didn't fully understand most of the options, up to 1/3/9 months from what??? From the point of conception or until the due date?

[Mr.Canada]

Looking at the numbers from the poll you posted MC it appears MLW posters overwhelming endorse a woman's right to choose. I didn't fully understand most of the options, up to 1/3/9 months from what??? From the point of conception or until the due date?

9 votes to 8, wow that's overwhelming...

[gordiecanuk]

9 votes to 8, wow that's overwhelming...

I'm only seeing 3 votes favouring a Pro-Life stance, the rest are Pro-Choice to varying degrees....all recognizing a woman's right to choose, with some placing limitations based on how far along the pregnancy is.

[punked]

Hey, you've said many times that 62% didn't vote for Harper and that the Coalition should be allowed. Isn't that the majority enforcing its will on he minority too? So it's ok for you to do but not for us right? A vote is fair.

No it is not because that is how our country is built so the majority gets to lead. However in a Democracy and I know that world escapes you, there are absolute rights we should protected. If you and 51% of Canada woke up tomorrow and decided hey lets put all the Muslims in a city and build a wall around it so we don't have to interact with them. You are encroaching on there rights to live in a free nation. No one is allowed to do that. That is what we have a Constitution and courts to decide when laws and rights are being destroyed. The Majority does not get to do wrong to the minority in the name of some law they past.