madmax Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) Everyone must agree with socialist ideals or be name called and labeled. The Conservatives aren't backing your position, and vocaling and emphatically are stating just the opposite. You agree with socialist ideals. Edited January 4, 2009 by madmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 vocaling and emphatically are stating just the opposite. You agree with socialist ideals. Prove it. I want to see where Conservatives are claiming I'm agreeing with socialist "ideals". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Generally speaking, government regulation is seen as a socialist principle. Therefore, government restrictions on abortion would be a socialist ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Wanting abortion reform is akin to being a religious nut? Is that all the left can do is call names to those who don'r fall into line with their ideals? Everyone must agree with socialist ideals or be name called and labeled. And you call the right fascist, lol. Drea wants abortion reform and she's an Atheist. Many others here want abortion restricted to 20weeks and before. Are they all religious nuts as well? I have no idea why you think I'm a moron. What some people are talking about and what you are *really* talking about are two different things. Don't bother with your disingenuous game. I know what you stand for, you know what you stand for, and trying to make believe that others whose position on a woman's right to choose is diametrically opposed to yours are somehow your allies is dishonest. There will be no abortion reform. There are enough problems right now, Harper can't afford to have the most effective bogeyman the Opposition, and the LIberals and particular, have right now brought back on to the stage. Like I said, abortion restrictions and/or bans ceased to be a meaningful part of the Conservative platform the minute Stockwell Day was given the toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) Generally speaking, government regulation is seen as a socialist principle. Therefore, government restrictions on abortion would be a socialist ideal. I see so wanting abortion reform is a socialist ideal as is wanting open abortion as we have now. So either choice is socialist. I choose t o protect babies not murder them. Within 3 years we'll see a trilateral proposition. Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Generally speaking, government regulation is seen as a socialist principle. Therefore, government restrictions on abortion would be a socialist ideal. I always thought it was the amount of control a government exerted over the economy that determined the amount of socialism and individual or group possessed. I would hardly call, for instance, morality laws "socialist". "Interventionist" and "reactionary" most certainly, but not socialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I see so wanting abortion reform is a socialist ideal as is wanting open abortion as we have now. So either choice is socialist. I choose t o protect babies not murder them.Within 3 years we'll see a trilateral proposition. In three years, it's likely the Conservatives won't even be in power, but even if they are, they won't be in power because of resurrecting the abortion debate, but by ignoring the religious nuts and completely avoiding the topic entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 In three years, it's likely the Conservatives won't even be in power, but even if they are, they won't be in power because of resurrecting the abortion debate, but by ignoring the religious nuts and completely avoiding the topic entirely. Ok stop calling me names and define a "religious nut" please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I see so wanting abortion reform is a socialist ideal as is wanting open abortion as we have now. So either choice is socialist. I choose t o protect babies not murder them.Within 3 years we'll see a trilateral proposition. How is wanting access to abortion a socialist ideal? Do you really understand what the word socialist means? Pro choice is about individual freedom and personal liberty, which seems to me to be more libertarian than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I always thought it was the amount of control a government exerted over the economy that determined the amount of socialism and individual or group possessed. I would hardly call, for instance, morality laws "socialist". "Interventionist" and "reactionary" most certainly, but not socialist. You're right, ToadBrother, I was just trying to follow his argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) Abortion is murder, end of story. Aborting a nine month old pregnancy may be legal in Canada but that doesn't make it not murder. To continue speaking with me prove to me that aborting a 9 month old baby isn't murder. Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Abortion is murder, end of story. Aborting a nine month old pregnancy may be legal in Canada but that doesn't make it not murder. To continue speaking with me prove to me that aborting a 9 month old baby isn't murder. Well, at least you're being honest now, instead of making believe that you're onside with the group that wish to limit late-term abortions. Now, I do hope, in the future, you won't try to use expediency to hide the full nature of what you want to impose on women in Canada. I may still think you're a bigot, but at least I won't think you're a lying bigot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 How is wanting access to abortion a socialist ideal? Do you really understand what the word socialist means? Pro choice is about individual freedom and personal liberty, which seems to me to be more libertarian than anything else. Mr. Canada is wrong both on the Socialist front and the Conservative Front. Your position is more accurate and most Libertarians have no real home in Canada and therefore exist in every political party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 (edited) Well, at least you're being honest now, instead of making believe that you're onside with the group that wish to limit late-term abortions. Now, I do hope, in the future, you won't try to use expediency to hide the full nature of what you want to impose on women in Canada. I may still think you're a bigot, but at least I won't think you're a lying bigot. I want all abortion banned except in cases of rape, incest or Mother danger. However I'm willing to take small steps to get there so if limiting abortion to the first 20 weeks is what Canadians can swallow then I'll support that and push for more later. I learned this behavior from the left. I also want public funding for abortions ended unless the abortion falls into 3 types acceptable above. I f mothers want to murder their babies don't expect me to pay for it. Edited January 4, 2009 by Mr.Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Abortion is murder, end of story. Aborting a nine month old pregnancy may be legal in Canada but that doesn't make it not murder. To continue speaking with me prove to me that aborting a 9 month old baby isn't murder. According to your poll 22 of 23 voters, support "Murder, end of story". Prove to me that the Conservative party will present an abortion bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I want all abortion banned except in cases of rape, incest or Mother danger. However I'm willing to take small steps to get there so if limiting abortion to the first 20 weeks is what Canadians can swallow then I'll support that and push for more later. I learned this behavior from the left. So, in other words, you're trying to fool those that might not like late-term abortions into thinking you actually are pragmatic. You're lying. You don't support late-term abortion critics at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Abortion is murder, end of story. Aborting a nine month old pregnancy may be legal in Canada but that doesn't make it not murder. To continue speaking with me prove to me that aborting a 9 month old baby isn't murder. I'll try to keep this short, as your attention span doesn't allow for long posts. Earlier in the thread you said that it is ok to abort a fetus if it is the result of rape or incest, or if there is medical reasons to do so. Is this not also murder? Is the fetus responsible for how it was conceived? I'm just trying to follow your logic here - as I've said before, I fully support a woman's right to choose for whatever reasons seem valid to her, but your position seems contradictory. Can you explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 So, in other words, you're trying to fool those that might not like late-term abortions into thinking you actually are pragmatic. You're lying. You don't support late-term abortion critics at all. It's better then what we have now. So I'll support it if it furthers my goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 It's better then what we have now. So I'll support it if it furthers my goals. And it is people like you that will keep later term abortions legal. You know why cause when we try to take away the womens rights people will scream "THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP" and quote people like yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted January 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'll try to keep this short, as your attention span doesn't allow for long posts. Earlier in the thread you said that it is ok to abort a fetus if it is the result of rape or incest, or if there is medical reasons to do so. Is this not also murder? Is the fetus responsible for how it was conceived? I'm just trying to follow your logic here - as I've said before, I fully support a woman's right to choose for whatever reasons seem valid to her, but your position seems contradictory. Can you explain? As I've said explain how killing a nine month old pregnancy isn't murder before I'll continue with you. The baby is fully developed by this point, has it's own brain function yet you don't find it murder to abort it right before giving birth for example. Incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 As I've said explain how killing a nine month old pregnancy isn't murder before I'll continue with you. The baby is fully developed by this point, has it's own brain function yet you don't find it murder to abort it right before giving birth for example. Incredible. Man but you are one cagey, dishonest little coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 As I've said explain how killing a nine month old pregnancy isn't murder before I'll continue with you. The baby is fully developed by this point, has it's own brain function yet you don't find it murder to abort it right before giving birth for example. Incredible. It's been pointed out to you before (thanks BC_Chick!), Even though there's no gestational limits in Canada, over 90% of abortions are done in the first trimester, only 2-3% are done after 16 weeks, and no doctor does abortions past 20 or 21 weeks except for compelling health or genetic reasons. So really, you have no argument because the only late term abortions that are done are for health or genetic reasons, which you have already said are OK by you. So, feel free to answer my questions now. (Helpful hint: see posts 43 and 67) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 It's been pointed out to you before (thanks BC_Chick!), So really, you have no argument because the only late term abortions that are done are for health or genetic reasons, which you have already said are OK by you. So, feel free to answer my questions now. (Helpful hint: see posts 43 and 67) This is why I pointed out his poll as well as the polls he cites are very misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Man but you are one cagey, dishonest little coward. I really don't understand why so many people entertain that troll. He never responds to any legitimate questions, he keeps starting endless threads on the same topics, and no matter how many times he's shown to be wrong, like a kid, he covers his ears and stomps his feet on the ground saying things are 'right' just because that's what he believes. I've been baited a few times myself, but I realised after my last post to him that anyone who thinks abortion is socialism is probably not capable of reasoning. The only way to deal with a troll is to stop feeding him. Something to consider after 5 pages of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanie_ Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Troll baiting can be fun sometimes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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