bjre Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 If punishment doesn't work then what does? Letting all criminals go free perhaps? Canadian legal system don't lack of punishment. It lacks of love, understand, respect, and tolerance. Suppose if one of the drug seller is one of your family member, you might want to help him. But the legal system will never thinking in this way. If the community treat the people need to help the way like family member, they will have less chance to crime. Some people crime just because they don't have other means to make living. If government pay a percentage of salary for the people whose annul income is less than a number, many business will turn to hire poor people, less cost will be used in jail. Some people crime because their anti-social thinking due to they fell hostile from society. To these people, if community show more respect and give them some taste of respectful life when they behave nice, many of them may turn nice. CAS (Children's aid socity) love to find evidence of someone does things wrong and take tax dollars for each kis "in care" and put them to low income foster care families. If they just don't do that and actually help the kids and don't prove they did something wrong and just encourage the right part the kids did, it may reduce a great deal of crime. However, all this approach might not serve the interest of the legal industry that rely on criminals. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
guyser Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 They work in Saudi Arabia. Do they? Thats nice. My microwave doesnt work there. Strange huh? If punishment doesn't work then what does? Letting all criminals go free perhaps? The crime rate has been dropping for years , why would you want to let them go free? Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Do they? Thats nice. My microwave doesnt work there. Strange huh?The crime rate has been dropping for years , why would you want to let them go free? And un reported crime is on the increase. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
guyser Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 And un reported crime is on the increase. How does one know that? Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 How does one know that? Because those numbers are tracked as well... a quick a google and http://www.gnb.ca/0276/cpw/victimization-e.asp Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Oleg Bach Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 How does one know that? Look at the sub-culture that is forming within our poorer segments of society.. a culture of don't tell and maintain a code of silence even if you are the victim of a crime- You can not convict with out witness..and witnesses refuse to come forward..partly out of fear and partly out of the realization that the courts are inept - cowardly or just plain corrupt. If a crime takes place against the person - that person is hesitant to report it - because it is becoming clearer that the laws and the enforcement of the laws seem to protect the wicked and the good do not want to alert the authorities for fear of having double the trouble - the crimminals are almost in a type of strange alliance with the powers that be - and the powers that be are evidently showing that they have gone over to the dark side So what's the point ---- now for somemore of my yummy scripture "Don't expect Satan to cast out Satan" _ don't expect the courts that are evilish to truely punish and correct evil - I do believe we have become very very decadent. Quote
guyser Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Because those numbers are tracked as well... a quick a google and http://www.gnb.ca/0276/cpw/victimization-e.asp Let me rephrase, how do we know non reports have gone up down or sideways? Quote
eyeball Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 In my view, if you break the law you pay the price. For example, if you are caught traffiking drugs you should be whipped publicly then thrown in jail. You cannot have a world where there are no consequences for bad behavior. It would be anarchy. No kidding, look what happens for example, when someone deliberately lies to justify starting a war. Link Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Oleg Bach Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 In my view, if you break the law you pay the price. For example, if you are caught traffiking drugs you should be whipped publicly then thrown in jail. You cannot have a world where there are no consequences for bad behavior. It would be anarchy. God there would be blood in the streets after the scourging. You must be older or socially seperated from the streets. We have a nation of druggies - millions of them. You are to late - the disease has been spread to every corner - the worst are white people - blacks come in second - the asian math wiz kid is waiting to buy that monster home so your potted out sons will pot his plants and clean his floors...maybe it is devine retribution for poisoning the young of China with opium. Quote
guyser Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 You must be older or socially seperated from reality. Fixed it for ya. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Fixed it for ya. Cheques in the mail. Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 I agree that jail time does not work. We should whip criminals in public places for minor crimes and have public hangings for serious crimes. That should bring an end to illegal practices. Look at how successful Saudi Arabia is in reducing crime. If you envy their model so, perhaps you might consider emigrating? Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 We do have a systemic problem in this country feel good liberal losers and socialists who have done nothing but harm society for many many years. Yes. The political domination of Liberals have left us with an outhouse for a country.[/sarcasm] Alta4ever, we live in the best country in the world because we've properly incorporated the best elements of socialist, liberal and conservative thought. It's a shame that you can't see that. Quote
Smallc Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Alta4ever, we live in the best country in the world because we've properly incorporated the best elements of socialist, liberal and conservative thought. It's a shame that you can't see that. Thank you. It's a shame that more people don't see what's right in front of them when it comes to their country. Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 QUOTE (neutralguy @ Mar 11 2009, 10:39 AM) And we need to try to see if there is a way to stop those kinds of "animal" instincts. There is. It's called punishment. Are you obtuse? To stop something from happening, you prevent it. Punishment is retaliation, not prevention. Quote
Visionseeker Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Because those numbers are tracked as well... a quick a google and http://www.gnb.ca/0276/cpw/victimization-e.asp The opening paragraph of your link reads: "New Brunswick ranks fourth lowest in the country with a crime rate of 6,756 incidents per 100,000 population. In 2005, New Brunswick's rate of violent crime decreased by -10.9%, and property crime decreased by -9.2% continuing the general decline over the past decade." So crime rates a dropping. Thanks for pointing that out. As for unreported crime: "Out of 8 possible responses, the two reasons most often cited for not reporting a crime were: The incident was not important enough (59%) The police can't do anything about it (50%)" Frankly, I need to see the raw data for a thorough analysis. But 59% claiming the incident was "not important enough" suggests that the vast majority of unreported incidents were non-violent. Further, if overall reported crime has diminished. It stands to reason that unreported crimes diminished somewhat proportionately. Unfortunately, the data in your link does not offer the comparison so that we might test the hypothesis. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Yes. The political domination of Liberals have left us with an outhouse for a country.[/sarcasm]Alta4ever, we live in the best country in the world because we've properly incorporated the best elements of socialist, liberal and conservative thought. It's a shame that you can't see that. There is no such thing as a good socialist element. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
MontyBurns Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 If you envy their model so, perhaps you might consider emigrating? Just goes to show that tough justice works. People respond to harsh discipline and not this love/tolerance/prevention crap. Like I said, whip the criminals arses and the country will be better as a whole for it. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
guyser Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Like I said, whip the criminals arses and the country will be better as a whole for it. QUOTE (MontyBurns @ Mar 11 2009, 02:53 PM) They work in Saudi Arabia. Do they? Thats nice. My microwave doesnt work there. Strange huh? QUOTE If punishment doesn't work then what does? Letting all criminals go free perhaps? The crime rate has been dropping for years , why would you want to let them go free? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Just goes to show that tough justice works. People respond to harsh discipline and not this love/tolerance/prevention crap.Like I said, whip the criminals arses and the country will be better as a whole for it. Yah and punch out your son to show him who the boss is and what respect is.. Fear is not respect - reasoning and patients is the only way to go - if that does not work abandon the little bastards ---- "harsh dicipline" If you do not have the power of mind and spirit to influence people then you are weak - and only the weak use their fist ...a man uses his mind - and it looks like you had a very poor and insecure father...am I correct? Quote
MontyBurns Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Yah and punch out your son to show him who the boss is and what respect is.. Fear is not respect - reasoning and patients is the only way to go - if that does not work abandon the little bastards ---- "harsh dicipline" If you do not have the power of mind and spirit to influence people then you are weak - and only the weak use their fist ...a man uses his mind - and it looks like you had a very poor and insecure father...am I correct? I said we need to use stricter punishments on criminals. Not on people indiscrimintely. Criminals need to know that if they commit serious crimes like terrorism, murders or organized crime they will pay dearly. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
MontyBurns Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 The crime rate has been dropping for years , why would you want to let them go free? I don't. You do though. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
MontyBurns Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 Are you obtuse? To stop something from happening, you prevent it. Punishment is retaliation, not prevention. If somebody killed a relative of yours would you be concerned with prevention? I think you would be more interested in punishment. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
guyser Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 I don't. You do though. Sorry monty, crime has been dropping , and you refuse to acknowledge that fact. Oh, how big is that whip going to be? Too funny Quote
neutralguy Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 lol Quote Site Updated - Canadian Political RPG - Join us for some political role-play! http://www.canadianpoliticsrpg.com/
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