Danni Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 You'll have to shoot me before any freaking Bible thumpers start running my life, I'll tell you that. Quote
eyeball Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) As for unreported crime: "Out of 8 possible responses, the two reasons most often cited for not reporting a crime were: The incident was not important enough (59%) The police can't do anything about it (50%)" I think there will soon be another reason for not calling the cops that might overshadow these, the fear that you might be an accessory to the death of some poor sould like Robert Dziekanski. I definitely do not want something like that on my conscience. I can't think of anything that would drive me to drink a deadly, addictive, and mind-altering substance faster. Edited March 13, 2009 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Oleg Bach Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 I think there will soon be another reason for not calling the cops that might overshadow these, the fear that you might be an accessory to the death of some poor sould like Robert Dziekanski. I definitely do not want something like that on my conscience.I can't think of anything that would drive me to drink a deadly, addictive, and mind-altering substance faster. Cops do their best - but there is a class sytem in law - Judges and lawyers look down on cops as if they are dirty spawns of the lower blue collar class - that they are servants and are to be quietly loathed..What the judicary and most of the government does not seem to get as far as the disrespect they have for law enforcement - is that ---- You can pass all the laws you want - proclaim from the mount about law and order - but without the enforcement of law - all you are is a spoiled little infant ranting - with absolutely no real power - Police are ENFORCEMENT... They have the gun on the hip that is designed to end your very life if need be - they are the power --- The judicary and the politicans should stop frustrating police...How do you think a hard working peace officer and law enforcer feels when he brings in a hard crimminal killer - at great effort and risk - and some snoot in a suit disrespects his work and releases the son of a bitch? Quote
eyeball Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) How do you think a hard working peace officer and law enforcer feels when he brings in a hard crimminal killer - at great effort and risk - and some snoot in a suit disrespects his work and releases the son of a bitch? Probably not as bad as I'd feel if he'd killed some poor bastard who turned out to be hypo-glycemic or was simply having a bad day. Look, I don't want hard-boiled killers walking the streets anymore than the next guy but nor do I want the law or the justice system to demonstrate the kind of psychopathic vindictiveness that the religous right has such a hard-on for. Fuck them, they're no better than any gang of murderers as far as I'm concerned. Is this really the base of Harper's support in Canada? It sure seems like it is. Edited March 13, 2009 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Visionseeker Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 There is no such thing as a good socialist element. Right. Next time you go to a doctor or a hospital, refuse to give your health card and insist that you pay before you let yourself be treated. Quote
Smallc Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Right. Next time you go to a doctor or a hospital, refuse to give your health card and insist that you pay before you let yourself be treated. Oh, don't worry, he'd rather it be that way. Truth is, there are good and bad elements from all political philosophies. That's why its stupid to be an idealog of any kind. Quote
Molly Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Eyeball, that's certainly a notion to give one the shudders, but has more 'legs' than I'd guess a lot of folks grant it... until they are in the position. My kid in high school served a detention in the company of another who spent that time ranting about the vice-principal who levied the punishment to both of them. In my kids opinion, the ranting crossed a line, had a thin possibility of being more than talk, and it seriously worried him. He would have liked to 'put a bug in someones ear' about it, but the near certainty of official crazy overreaction to what was most likely (but might not be) just enthusiastic venting, stopped him. That circumstance leapt to mind on reading your comment, so it's not an imaginary concern. Call, and who's going to show up? A peace officer, or a dangerous enforcer? It has to flit across the mind. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Alta4ever Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Right. Next time you go to a doctor or a hospital, refuse to give your health card and insist that you pay before you let yourself be treated. If I could buy health insurance I would. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
neutralguy Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 If I could buy health insurance I would. I'm a Libertarian by heart, but if we can't agree that healthcare should be free and available for everyone, then I don't think we can agree on anything. Quote Site Updated - Canadian Political RPG - Join us for some political role-play! http://www.canadianpoliticsrpg.com/
MontyBurns Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 ... but nor do I want the law or the justice system to demonstrate the kind of psychopathic vindictiveness that the religous right has such a hard-on for. It isn't about being vindictive. It's about administering tough justice. If are tough on criminals they will learn that they have to pay dearly for crimes. The families of the victims will feel better knowing that strict punishment has been meted out to these buggers. It is a win-win situation for all. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
neutralguy Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 It isn't about being vindictive. It's about administering tough justice. If are tough on criminals they will learn that they have to pay dearly for crimes. The families of the victims will feel better knowing that strict punishment has been meted out to these buggers. It is a win-win situation for all. You keep saying this over and over like you really believe it. Explain to me how a person on drugs gets effected by tougher sentences? How does a psycho serial killer> Quote Site Updated - Canadian Political RPG - Join us for some political role-play! http://www.canadianpoliticsrpg.com/
MontyBurns Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) You keep saying this over and over like you really believe it.Explain to me how a person on drugs gets effected by tougher sentences? How does a psycho serial killer> It isn't only the criminal that we have to concern ourselves with. If a family member of yours was killed by a serial killer wich option would you rather for the criminal: A) 5 years in jail with rehabilitation/tolerance/love and early release Or B ) 25 years in jail and regular ass whippings for good measure I think the answer is obvious. Edited March 13, 2009 by MontyBurns Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Oleg Bach Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Now that force re-habilitation and de-toxicfication are outlawed - Putting a drug addict in the slammer is the only option - BUT - strickter security must be maintained in the jails as far as contraband - not one drop of drugs or home made alcohol should be permitted - and also - prescribed medications should not be handed out like candy treats. Dry them out - then after 90 days - talk to them..In the meantime there is no purpose in locking up drug addicts who continue to use on the inside. Efforts and resourses should increase in the area of keeping the prisons clean - no one is doing that - How could the people running these places who have ward ship of prisoners not keep the place drug free - It would be like a parent locking their child in their bed room and leaving the window open so his friends could toss up a bag of dope - lock the damned window and board it up until the sick person comes to their senses and starts to heal. Quote
guyser Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 You keep saying this over and over like you really believe it. He does, for reasons unknown, and obviously for reasons he does not want to mention. Someone also lives under a rock.....crime is down , but he doesnt read that. It isn't only the criminal that we have to concern ourselves with. If a family member of yours was killed by a serial killer wich option would you rather for the criminal: A) 5 years in jail with rehabilitation/tolerance/love and early release Or B ) 25 years in jail and regular ass whippings for good measure I think the answer is obvious. Yes, it is, you live in some fantasy world. How big will the whip be monty? Too funny. Quote
MontyBurns Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Explain to me how a person on drugs gets effected by tougher sentences? Maybe instead of sentences we can interrogate the druggies to find out who their drug dealers are. Then we can administer tough justice to the dealers. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
neutralguy Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 It isn't only the criminal that we have to concern ourselves with. If a family member of yours was killed by a serial killer wich option would you rather for the criminal: A) 5 years in jail with rehabilitation/tolerance/love and early release Or B ) 25 years in jail and regular ass whippings for good measure I think the answer is obvious. Well, no doubt. I'm just saying, let's not pretend its some kind of fear tactic that also prevents crimes. Quote Site Updated - Canadian Political RPG - Join us for some political role-play! http://www.canadianpoliticsrpg.com/
MontyBurns Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 How big will the whip be monty? Too funny. Big enough to cause moderate to severe pain. Small enough to avoid permanently damaging our subject. It is about finding the right balance. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
guyser Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Maybe instead of sentences we can interrogate the druggies to find out who their drug dealers are. Then we can administer tough justice to the dealers. LCBO and the Beer Store, Shoppers Drug Mart, shall I go on? Quote
guyser Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Big enough to cause moderate to severe pain. Small enough to avoid permanently damaging our subject. It is about finding the right balance. Yeah, sure you try that and let us know. Quote
MontyBurns Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 LCBO and the Beer Store, Shoppers Drug Mart, shall I go on? Tough justice for those guys too if they get out of line. Quote "From my cold dead hands." Charlton Heston
Oleg Bach Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Tough justice for those guys too if they get out of line. Pharma - Beer - and Booze..big money in the substance trade. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 I'm a Libertarian by heart, but if we can't agree that healthcare should be free and available for everyone, then I don't think we can agree on anything. healthcare isn't free and if you think it is you are deluding yourself, it entails a huge cost. Health care should be availible to everyone and they should not be discriminated against by class, but it is not free and should not be treated as such. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
neutralguy Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) healthcare isn't free and if you think it is you are deluding yourself, it entails a huge cost. Health care should be availible to everyone and they should not be discriminated against by class, but it is not free and should not be treated as such. Well obviously I understand that its not literally free, meaning we all pay through taxes, but the idea that everyone wasn't covered or that everyone doesn't have the same access seems wrong to me. I am all for the govt. getting out of a lot of areas and giving the power to the people, but here, I think its just a matter of compassione. Edited March 13, 2009 by neutralguy Quote Site Updated - Canadian Political RPG - Join us for some political role-play! http://www.canadianpoliticsrpg.com/
Oleg Bach Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 healthcare isn't free and if you think it is you are deluding yourself, it entails a huge cost. Health care should be availible to everyone and they should not be discriminated against by class, but it is not free and should not be treated as such. Doctors and nurses and teachers did not originally get into the professions to become rich. For someone to bandage and injury is done out of human careing and inspired by a cause higher than money. I never go to a doctor unless I am turely in need of professional care. BUT some go because it is free in their minds and they have the time to plod about in medical clinic and emergency rooms - personally - I don't want to waste my time because time is not free. Our health care system is not free - for every wasted dollar - is a dollar taken out of your pocket..and that is a cost no matter what route the expenditure takes. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 13, 2009 Report Posted March 13, 2009 Well obviously I understand that its not literally free, meaning we all pay through taxes, but the idea that everyone wasn't covered or that everyone doesn't have the same access seems wrong to me. I am all for the govt. getting out of a lot of areas and giving the power to the people, but here, I think its just a matter of compassione. Havung the taxpayer foot the bill isn't compasion its stupidity. We Can have a universally accessible healthsystem, that isn't 100% taxpayer funded. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
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