Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 That's the case with almost everything that people do in general, private or public. Our system isn't a failure. Yes it can be improved, but its certainly not a failure. Oh, and since when are we "bleeding to death"? A mis-quote. America is. It's the perfect problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Actually, while we have our imperfections, I do believe that our system is fundamentally better.Too bad Better than America....sure! That put's us in the club with......Everybody. Well maybe not Somalia, but everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 You weren't really leveling a criticism. You were making a broad and sweeping generalization about an entire system (actually, 13 systems). There is no way to act on such a "criticism." Don't get me started on BC MSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Some people would say the same things about America or capitalism given current situations. That would be because they are focusing on negatives and missing the positives that far outweigh those negatives. Why should I (or anyone else for that matter) give your musings any more consideration that I would giver theirs? Swing and a miss. Capitalism didn't fail, finance did. The theory is sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 How is it not a right? The system in almost every case will do what is needed for the patient. If that's not a right, I don't know what is.In your country you have a right to life, in this one too......think about that for a minute. I don't know what the current interpretations are, but by history; The state is not obligated to provide you with health care, they choose to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Char...ts_and_Freedoms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Well, mend your reality a little bit.. Aim higher What's better; Shooting for an A and getting a C? Or shooting for a B and achieving it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Swing and a miss. Capitalism didn't fail, finance did. The theory is sound. I didn't say it had failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Canadian doctors, are fleeing to the US in record numbers. Whoops...another fact no wait , just another error. Farted again huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Whoops...another fact no wait , just another error.Farted again huh? Mr. Canada always posts facts. Mostly of the wrong variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Whoops...another fact no wait , just another error.Farted again huh? Well, many new DR.'s have been going to the US for years now, my cousin is a Dr. so I am stating known fact here. The MSM called it the 'Brain Drain'. If this has changed in the last few months please provide me with some data to back that up please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 (edited) Well, many new DR.'s have been going to the US for years now, Of course they do, Florida is nice in winter, it has Disneyland and Busch Gardens, oh and sunshine and beaches. Dr's also go to Europe too.And Asia, and Australia, and many other places too! my cousin is a Dr. so I am stating known fact here. I suspect you have finally posted something irrefutable. Not that we could prove you wrong of course since we dont know your cousin. Congratulations! The MSM called it the 'Brain Drain'. If this has changed in the last few months please provide me with some data to back that up please. The last "few months" ? Tell you what, first you show us where your assertions are true then we play. Got that? No videos of you farting out stats either. Edited December 15, 2008 by guyser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Guyser, it's well known fact that Dr.'s are leaving Canada to work in the US. Don't be silly and partisan. As for my cousin who is indeed a Dr. and married a Dr. is practicing in Canada for this exact reason. She shares a practice not far from my house. She graduated from McMaster a while ago and completed her internship last year, not that it matters of course. She doesn't agree with me politically either so it's always interesting discussions we have. She wants to treat everyone and help them all with no two tier health care. So far, haha. I'm working on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Guyser, it's well known fact that Dr.'s are leaving Canada to work in the US. Ok, relevance? None really is there? Here try this. Dr's are leaving Canada because they are 1)Dead 2) vacationing 3) working elsewhere. Relevance? None again. Don't be silly and partisan. If that were the case, it is better than dumb and uninformed isnt it? If it is so easy , not to mention so factual then it would be easy for you to provide a link, you know, just like this one? http://www.chsrf.ca/mythbusters/pdf/myth29_e.pdf But then again, when one farts and smells it to determine what to write, well then.......pretty much guarantee the wrong info will get posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 LOL, guyser. You make me laugh. I enjoy your posts as everytime I see your handle on a thread I just know you're responding to me. It's flattering in a bizzare sort of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Boy© Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 LOL, guyser. You make me laugh. I enjoy your posts as everytime I see your handle on a thread I just know you're responding to me. It's flattering in a bizzare sort of way. Pretty typical forum responses coming from him. It's clear that Canadian doctors wish to work elsewhere, and why wouldn't they? What does that say about our system? But never mind reality, just attack the post & poster. (Guyser) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 It's clear that Canadian doctors wish to work elsewhere, and why wouldn't they? What does that say about our system? Many also want to work here. What does that say about our system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Pretty typical forum responses coming from him. It's clear that Canadian doctors wish to work elsewhere, and why wouldn't they? What does that say about our system?But never mind reality, just attack the post & poster. (Guyser) huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 As a person in Ontario that lost doctors to the US, the reason one doctor gave was the Ontario wanted too much paper work and he had also had a friend down in Dallas that had a clinic which they both had dreamed for years to go into practice together. So after his parents died, they left for Texas. Another doctor came for about 4 years then left for Toronto, a bigger hospital. If you think Canada is only having trouble keeping doctors, the US is too. Many like the ones here are coming into retirement, and there will be a shortage of doctors in the US. A relative who was here not long ago, said they are experiencing short of GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Pretty typical forum responses coming from him. It's clear that Canadian doctors wish to work elsewhere, and why wouldn't they? What does that say about our system?But never mind reality, just attack the post & poster. (Guyser) Guyser knows that I'm a right winger and not a Red Tory(centre-right) and he despises this stance so he often attacks me the poster and not my post. I've grown accustomed to it and don't mind. Hey. at least he's passionate about politics and that's what we need. More Canadians caring about their country, no matter their political stripe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Guyser knows that I'm a right winger and not a Red Tory(centre-right) and he despises this stance so he often attacks me the poster and not my post. . Um no. I have no problem with anyone except the fringe people, left or right. If you didnt post such nonsense, especially that which includes "facts" , you would be left alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Um no.I have no problem with anyone except the fringe people, left or right. If you didnt post such nonsense, especially that which includes "facts" , you would be left alone. Yeah sometimes I indulge a bit but I post many facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Yeah sometimes I indulge a bit but I post many facts. Most of them of the fallacious variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Most of them of the fallacious variety. Well at least I add more to the discussion then one liners Dancer. Don't you have anything else to say besides attacking posters? You don't seem to do much more than that much of the time. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Am I wrong? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Yes. How am I wrong on the above post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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