THE BLOCK DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION

[Oleg Bach]

The Block and Quebec for that matter do not have supreme authority over CANADA. How could they? The Block has damned it self with the agreement (consent) to nationhood "within a nation" -0 They have also incriminated and rendered themselves powerless in their very declaration that they are seperate.

Part of the problem with the nation of Block Quebec is it's georgraphical location - If Quebec was situated where New Foundland is they would have no influence on Canada - because they would phisically be seperated. The curse of having Quebec in the center of Canada is akin to a cyst that hampers the physical and political movement and freedom of Canada.

Having said that and putting the geographics in perspective - It's absurd that the Block even dreams of having domination over the Dominion of Canada. It's also clear that the violence that is in the heart of the three detractors that are the NDP, Liberal and Blockist - can no longer be hidden. We believe that a quiet and polite man is not violent - but violence can be quite and internal - The liberals rage in their hypocracy - and it's ironic that these liberal leaders have force a million independ males into their "ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSES" - yet they did not take the course themselves.

Such hate - such self serving greed - such mindless powermongering for power with out real purpose of benevolence. If these three were to behave in this manner in a less civil society they would be instantly confined to a jail cell - Let Dion who now shows that he sufferes from uncontroled rage try screaming his way into power in a third world country - no one would tolerate him - Let Layton conspire in traitors glee in a less civilized nation - He would be exiled or and jailed - as for the Block - there would be tanks in Montreal - let them be thankful that Canada is kind and tolerant.

[ThatGuy]

The fact that the Bloc matters isn't their geographic location, it is the fact that Quebec has so many people.

Blame representation by population.

As for stating that we have three party leaders deserving of a jail cell, that seems like you are taking a page out of Stalin's playbook. Surely that is more anti-neocon than anything anyone else has said in the past week?

[ThatGuy]

p.s. NICE CAPS LOCK IN THE THREAD TITLE

[Oleg Bach]

The fact that the Bloc matters isn't their geographic location, it is the fact that Quebec has so many people.

Blame representation by population.

As for stating that we have three party leaders deserving of a jail cell, that seems like you are taking a page out of Stalin's playbook. Surely that is more anti-neocon than anything anyone else has said in the past week?

To provoke with jail cell comments may get Canadians to realize how fortunate they are that they are not living back in time in Stalins' Sovietism. They must also realize that it can happen here. There is rule of law to be considered. From what I understand is that a move by the Block may seem legal but if you were to strip down all motivations to the bare bone - you would in all probablity notice that the Block is willing to destroy Canada to ensure their own selfish surival - The spirit of the Charter and Constitution is not being adhered to by the Block or the NDP for that matter. The preamble of our Charter consists of the supremacy of God and the rule of law there under - this preamble or spirit is in place so leaders do not play God with the nation - and right now there are demi-gods running rampant everywhere - It's distressing - even if you do not believe in God - you must attempt to understand why our greatest documents contain the word GOD . The purpose is to create equality and to bring our leaders into a state of higher mindedness - right now they are low minded and selfish.

[ThatGuy]

To provoke with jail cell comments may get Canadians to realize how fortunate they are that they are not living back in time in Stalins' Sovietism. They must also realize that it can happen here. There is rule of law to be considered. From what I understand is that a move by the Block may seem legal but if you were to strip down all motivations to the bare bone - you would in all probablity notice that the Block is willing to destroy Canada to ensure their own selfish surival - The spirit of the Charter and Constitution is not being adhered to by the Block or the NDP for that matter. The preamble of our Charter consists of the supremacy of God and the rule of law there under - this preamble or spirit is in place so leaders do not play God with the nation - and right now there are demi-gods running rampant everywhere - It's distressing - even if you do not believe in God - you must attempt to understand why our greatest documents contain the word GOD . The purpose is to create equality and to bring our leaders into a state of higher mindedness - right now they are low minded and selfish.

In my opinion, the most terrible issue in this whole mess is that the Bloc is allowed to exist. They should be outlawed.

But, since our courts do no care, and neither did anyone until now, we are kinda stuck with it.

[ToadBrother]

In my opinion, the most terrible issue in this whole mess is that the Bloc is allowed to exist. They should be outlawed.

But, since our courts do no care, and neither did anyone until now, we are kinda stuck with it.

I'd love to know under what statute you could ban the Bloc, or how you could formulate a law that wouldn't get tossed on its ass.

Freedom of association, my friend. Ponder it for a moment. What you're proposing is the actions of a tyranny. In this country we defeat ideas with other ideas, not by cowardly attempts to simply outlaw.

[ThatGuy]

Obviously their existance is allowed, but, it is entirely within my personal domain to feel that they should not be allowed to exist in the House of Commons, a place where Canada is supposed to be the most important concept.

[ToadBrother]

Obviously their existance is allowed, but, it is entirely within my personal domain to feel that they should not be allowed to exist in the House of Commons, a place where Canada is supposed to be the most important concept.

It's within your personal domain to believe your left toe talks to you in Esperanto. That doesn't make it a sensible or desirable belief.

[Oleg Bach]

You can say the non-committal and opinionist term "I think" - or the fully aware and committed "I believe" - I believe that the French do not have domain over the British - no does the guy next door have dominion over my family - I believe in me - not the interloper - and the Block is an interloper with no committment to Canada - just to Quebec...so I believe they have no say in Canada unless they fully join the family.

[ThatGuy]

so I believe they have no say in Canada unless they fully join the family.

That is how I feel about them sitting in the House as well.

[CanadianBacon]

You cannot pick and choose who you want in the House just because you hate them.

The Bloc was elected...end of story.

I don't like them but recognize they were voted in so they can't be denied their seats.

That is when a democracy falls apart...when u changes the rules to whatever suits you because you don't like the end result.

The GG has to make a decision based on our system and cannot make a decision based on who is in the coalition. If GG made decisions in the future based on what they thought of a party or a coalition then we would end up with a system where the GG is the most powerful person in Canada.

The GG is in place to uphold the system and not make political decisions.

[ToadBrother]

You can say the non-committal and opinionist term "I think" - or the fully aware and committed "I believe" - I believe that the French do not have domain over the British - no does the guy next door have dominion over my family - I believe in me - not the interloper - and the Block is an interloper with no committment to Canada - just to Quebec...so I believe they have no say in Canada unless they fully join the family.

And yet, despite all these beliefs, they hold a substantial number of seats in the House, and thus wield a large amount of influence in any minority situation. You see, beliefs that don't somehow relate to reality are just flights of fancy. Whether we like it or not (and believe me, I don't like Separatists wielding this kind of influence), the Bloc is there, they have a legal right to be there, and that is, as they, that.

There's an old expression; politics is the art of the possible. It is impossible in the minority situation we've been in since 2004 to govern without dealing with the Bloc. Paul Martin had to, Stephen Harper had to (until he decided to put the loaded party subsidy gun to his head) and whoever succeeds him will have to until such time as one of the parties achieves a plurality of seats in the Commons.

Want to fix this problem, figure out how one of the Federalist parties can win a majority, either alone or in some sort of a coalition. Maybe the proper thing to have done was for Harper to ask the Liberals or NDP to join him in a Coalition.

[guyser]

...so I believe they have no say in Canada unless they fully join the family.

And you (Que) were born into your family (CAN) but not particularly liked, but they still called you brother.

Aint nothing changed.

[Oleg Bach]

Familiar loyalty is noble. Sometimes assisting a brother and putting your life and energy on the line - on behalf of that brother is not appreciated and can be taken for granted - eventually it becomes a case of personal survival - It our brother Quebec is threatening by action or lack of action to destroy the family - you may have no choice but to let that brother perish - now if there was a mutural contract that went both ways then I could see laying your life down for your brother - because he is willing to do the same out of loyality and LOVE - The Block that is Quebec does not give a damn if his brother Canada dies - so only a fool will sacrafice himself for someone who will NOT do the same - they had their chance to prove themselves...so far it's been a one way street...I say let that brother fall. There are limits to love and loyality.

[Wilber]

The fact that the Bloc matters isn't their geographic location, it is the fact that Quebec has so many people.

Blame representation by population.

We don't have rep by pop. If all provinces had the same rep by pop as Quebec, BC would have 43 seats instead of 36. Alberta 34 instead of 28. Ontario 124 instead of 106. Manitoba 12 instead of 14. Saskatchewan 8 instead of 14, New Brunswick 7 instead of 10, Nova Scotia 9 instead of 11. Newfoundland Labrador 5 instead of 7 and PEI 1 instead of 4. So as you can see, when it comes to rep by pop compared to Quebec, BC is short changed by 25%, Alberta 21.5% and Ontario 17%.

[Oleg Bach]

My point in the geogrphical factor was - If Quebec was situated where Newfoundland was - it would be easier to get rid of pesky buggers - It's easier and more survivable to cut off a toe then remove part of the liver if you know what I mean ------------- The other thing that would work is simply kick them out of the family - but make sure that we run a transportational corridor along the Saint Lawrence - that will ensure a connection and a path of blood flow to the eastern provinces...it's just to bad that the lion has a thorne in his side rather than the foot - You can live without a toe. What other nation has a damned other nation stuck in its guts? NONE - the strife began right after the Plains of Abraham - Britain should have not made any concessions...they would all be assimulate by now - The rest of Canada is force to assimulate though multi-culturalism - but Quebec is not....what makes the French more worth perserving than an immigrant from Pakistan?

[Smallc]

Fundamental Rights

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion;

B ) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

d) freedom of association.

Democratic Rights

3. Every citizen of Canada has the right to vote in an election of members of the House of Commons or of a legislative assembly and to be qualified for membership therein.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Smallc

[Moonlight Graham]

The Block and Quebec for that matter do not have supreme authority over CANADA. How could they? The Block has damned it self with the agreement (consent) to nationhood "within a nation" -0 They have also incriminated and rendered themselves powerless in their very declaration that they are seperate.

I have no problem with them being a nation within a nation. There's a big difference between being a nation and being a nation-state.

Part of the problem with the nation of Block Quebec is it's georgraphical location - If Quebec was situated where New Foundland is they would have no influence on Canada - because they would phisically be seperated. The curse of having Quebec in the center of Canada is akin to a cyst that hampers the physical and political movement and freedom of Canada.

I agree. It would be easier for Canadians to swallow them seperating if they were B.C. or Newfoundland.

[IMASINNER]

In my opinion, the most terrible issue in this whole mess is that the Bloc is allowed to exist. They should be outlawed.

But, since our courts do no care, and neither did anyone until now, we are kinda stuck with it.

HERE HERE!

[IMASINNER]

It's within your personal domain to believe your left toe talks to you in Esperanto. That doesn't make it a sensible or desirable belief.

I have a feeling that many other Canadians echo his beliefs.

[ToadBrother]

I have a feeling that many other Canadians echo his beliefs.

Mass delusions also do not make things true. Unless we're going to completely rework the Constitution in a direction I would think most Canadians would find frightening, the Bloc is a legitimate political party.

[blueblood]

Mass delusions also do not make things true. Unless we're going to completely rework the Constitution in a direction I would think most Canadians would find frightening, the Bloc is a legitimate political party.

whats wrong with no treasonous parties allowed in the house of commons?

Are people allowed to yell FIRE in a crowded theatre?

[ToadBrother]

whats wrong with no treasonous parties allowed in the house of commons?

Are people allowed to yell FIRE in a crowded theatre?

Because it's not treason. At the very most, calling for the separation of Quebec would be sedition. And the Charter guarantees freedom of association, so you explain how banning the Bloc would actually even be possible.

Let's not even get into the fact that such a stupid stunt would probably lead to Quebec's quick departure. Unless, of course, you want Quebec to leave, in which case tyrannical notions like banning the Bloc are probably rather good ideas.

[cybercoma]

The Block and Quebec for that matter do not have supreme authority over CANADA. How could they? The Block has damned it self with the agreement (consent) to nationhood "within a nation" -0 They have also incriminated and rendered themselves powerless in their very declaration that they are seperate.

Quebec is not a nation within a nation, Harper declared "The Quebecois a nation within a united Canada". It is impossible to know what that means unless Quebecois(e) is defined because it could refer to people within Quebec and people outside Quebec.

[cybercoma]

And you (Que) were born into your family (CAN) but not particularly liked, but they still called you brother.

Aint nothing changed.

Quebec was not born into Canada. Just to let you know, Canada was born of Quebec.