Should Canada and the U.S. become one nation?

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think we did that at all. I think if anything, this whole thing showed that the education system needs to better teach our government system.

True, but from afar, it's still funny. Like Gore v. Bush in 2000. Lots of education that year!

[White Doors]

Why would she do that?

Because she is our head of state?

[Smallc]

Because she is our head of state?

Yeah, but I'm really not sure why it would cause her to hiccup.

[blueblood]

No it wasn't.....the colonies were part of the British Empire....not the United States. Loyalists fled to Canada to wait for the empire to eventually crumble.

I thought the 2nd world war was the death blow for the empire. Instead of a revolution, the Brits had a firesale.

The empire barely made it out of the first world war.

The revolution so to speak was almost a world war in itself. The Brits made the horrible mistake of valuing India more than the US. I think the Empire expanded somewhat after the revolution and the two world wars snuffed it out.

[LesterDC]

No it wasn't.....the colonies were part of the British Empire....not the United States. Loyalists fled to Canada to wait for the empire to eventually crumble.

If the United States of America was not formerly part of the British Empire then what the hell were you fighting for?

Edited December 15, 2008 by LesterDC

[bush_cheney2004]

If the United States of America was not formerly part of the British Empire then what the hell were you fighting for?

Liberty.

[LesterDC]

Liberty.

From....?

[bush_cheney2004]

From....?

John Locke?

[LesterDC]

John Locke?

I meant Liberty from ____ , not where did you get the idea

[bush_cheney2004]

I meant Liberty from ____ , not where did you get the idea

I know...you didn't get it at all. Liberty doesn't come from anybody. That's the idea.....

[LesterDC]

I know...you didn't get it at all. Liberty doesn't come from anybody. That's the idea.....

The dictionary would disagree..

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberty

[bush_cheney2004]

The dictionary would disagree..

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberty

You still don't understand...said liberty was not possible as colonists and British subjects. The United States of America was the new crucible of liberty and inalienable rights. It has worked out quite well.

[LesterDC]

You still don't understand...said liberty was not possible as colonists and British subjects. The United States of America was the new crucible of liberty and inalienable rights. It has worked out quite well.

Yes.. I do understand.. I am not quite sure what we are debating here anymore.. I was just saying that the United States of America was formerly part of the British Empire

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes.. I do understand.. I am not quite sure what we are debating here anymore.. I was just saying that the United States of America was formerly part of the British Empire

No, that is technically impossible. The United States of America, by definition, was never part of the British Empire, to wit:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

....We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

[LesterDC]

No, that is technically impossible. The United States of America, by definition, was never part of the British Empire, to wit:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

....We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Where does it say that they have always been independent from the British Crown? It says that the system of government is failing, therefore we must abolish it..

Say whatever you will, you were paying their taxes and Englishmen were on the streets like any kind of conventional peace-keeping force.

[bush_cheney2004]

Where does it say that they have always been independent from the British Crown? It says that the system of government is failing, therefore we must abolish it..

Ask the King....he reacted very negatively to status quo change.

Say whatever you will, you were paying their taxes and Englishmen were on the streets like any kind of conventional peace-keeping force.

Don't know what you mean by this.....are you still an "Englishmen" as well?

[LesterDC]

Ask the King....he reacted very negatively to status quo change.

It is simple.. You came as Englishmen and you went back to England as Americans..

Don't know what you mean by this.....are you still an "Englishmen" as well?

I don't know what you are saying either..

Edited December 16, 2008 by LesterDC

[bush_cheney2004]

It is simple.. You came as Englishmen and you went back to England as Americans..

Many Americans were never Englishmen....

I don't know what you are saying either..

I said the USA was never part of the British Empire....but it was part of the Empire's collapse.

[Oleg Bach]

Is this when you ask me to pull my pants down?

You know the drill? For my fellow Canadians all I can say is that you have generously let us look at the inner workings of the standard American power broker. You do have a heart - that's all I wanted to know - now pull those pants up - I am not interested.

[LesterDC]

Many Americans were never Englishmen....

Yeah, only the people who created your country..

I said the USA was never part of the British Empire....but it was part of the Empire's collapse.

Whats the difference? The British still held the power at one point

[M.Dancer]

Yeah, only the people who created your country..

Whats the difference? The British still held the power at one point

He's right though, forget the scots..and the dutch...the germans even...by the time of the insurrection that succeeded, most in the colonies were colonies born and bred...who considered themselves (mainly) to be Americans foremost, and british (for those who were the sons of the british) second.

[LesterDC]

I know.....you live in a fallen empire. Now it's our turn if you don't mind.

Pax Britannia.....I think those pesky American colonists were the beginning of the end for you guys.

I don't see the difference between your situation and our situation though .. We are both the results of a dying empire

[wulf42]

Not any more...that would be the "fallen empire" part. I believe the Queen just hiccupped on a matter involving a potential coalition.

Well actually looking at your economy at the moment, i would say your country is on the verge of pulling a Soviet Union and collaspe.China is not only going to catch you but pass you in military strength in a few short years!

[bush_cheney2004]

Well actually looking at your economy at the moment, i would say your country is on the verge of pulling a Soviet Union and collaspe.China is not only going to catch you but pass you in military strength in a few short years!

Doesn't matter...they don't have the balls to use it. See, that's really the main difference...not just the means....but the will to do it. Even tiny Taiwan thumbs its nose.

China will pass Canada as #1 trading partner as well. Maybe the Shanghai Sharls will win the Stanley Cup.

[LesterDC]

Doesn't matter...they don't have the balls to use it. See, that's really the main difference...not just the means....but the will to do it. Even tiny Taiwan thumbs its nose.

China will pass Canada as #1 trading partner as well. Maybe the Shanghai Sharls will win the Stanley Cup.

China would NEVER use any kind of military power against the U.S... That is what NATO is for..