SHOULD Canada break up?

[kimmy]

So because 60% of people in alberta want to separate means the 40% that don't get no say whatsoever?

First off, no way in hell is support for separation 60% in Alberta. It's probably not even 6% in Alberta. This whole topic is pretty pointless.

I would say you need much more than a majority to seperate from Canada... more around the 85-90% mark.

Isn't there some sort of legislation that specifies the rules under which separation could be begun? I seem to recall something about.

Not to mention most Albertans are stupid.Known fact. I live here and they are definitely stupid.

They also don't even bother to consider the legalities and formalities or separation... they just want to separate because "the east" is being meanies and wanna take our oil like it's somehow our resource because we found it and we shouldn't have to share.

Albertans are selfish pieces of garbage. They have no say.

Well i shouldn't say ALL... but the majority for sure.

What are you? 12?

That sort of tantrum represents what a lot of Albertans suspect central Canadians really think.

-k

[Alta4ever]

So because 60% of people in alberta want to separate means the 40% that don't get no say whatsoever?

I would say you need much more than a majority to seperate from Canada... more around the 85-90% mark.

Not to mention most Albertans are stupid.Known fact. I live here and they are definitely stupid.

They also don't even bother to consider the legalities and formalities or separation... they just want to separate because "the east" is being meanies and wanna take our oil like it's somehow our resource because we found it and we shouldn't have to share.

Albertans are selfish pieces of garbage. They have no say.

Well i shouldn't say ALL... but the majority for sure.

Have you ever heard if majority rule. I would say that the 40% who want to overide the 60% are selfish because they think they are more important then the majority you selfish peice of sh -- garbage.

[LesterDC]

What are you? 12?

That sort of tantrum represents what a lot of Albertans suspect central Canadians really think.

-k

Don't worry, it ain't all of us.. I sure don't think like that

[Alta4ever]

Albertans are selfish pieces of garbage. They have no say.

I would love to see you repeat this to any Albertan in person.

[-VMG-]

First off, no way in hell is support for separation 60% in Alberta. It's probably not even 6% in Alberta. This whole topic is pretty pointless.

Isn't there some sort of legislation that specifies the rules under which separation could be begun? I seem to recall something about.

What are you? 12?

That sort of tantrum represents what a lot of Albertans suspect central Canadians really think.

-k

I'm from alberta. Of course there are exceptions.

I normally don't post shit... but seriously take a look around your province, you can't tell me that most of these people know what the fuck they are even talking about.

It's all based on handing down political views through the generations.

I'm not saying other Canadians are or are not stupid... but the majority of albertans have no idea what the hell is even going on.

I know i went over the top with that post... but honestly most don't have a clue.

[-VMG-]

Have you ever heard if majority rule. I would say that the 40% who want to overide the 60% are selfish because they think they are more important then the majority you selfish peice of sh -- garbage.

Sounds like what most people are thinking about the current governmnet... HEY WE HAVE THE POWER IN OTTAWA HOW CAN THEY TAKE IT FROM US.

Like the people think that somehow the conservatives have a majority government.

I'm not saying the 40% is more important... i'm saying it's not exactly fair when 40% of the people have to deal with it.

I've heard of majority rule... and the fact is the majority of humans are ignorant. So where does that leave us?

[Alta4ever]

I'm from alberta. Of course there are exceptions.

I normally don't post shit... but seriously take a look around your province, you can't tell me that most of these people know what the fuck they are even talking about.

It's all based on handing down political views through the generations.

I'm not saying other Canadians are or are not stupid... but the majority of albertans have no idea what the hell is even going on.

I know i went over the top with that post... but honestly most don't have a clue.

Seems to me we know more then the lot of you leftists, our province was the first out of debt, ours is the economic engine of the country, ours pays more per capita in transfer payments. Ours is the best geographic region in the world to invest into. Ours has the small unemployment numbers, ours has done this despite the raping and pilliging of the province by eastern Canada. I think we know what we are talking about. You not so much.

[-VMG-]

I would love to see you repeat this to any Albertan in person.

What they gonna beat me up because they have no intelligent thing to say back to me? Typical. Maybe if they actually could show that they had some sort of intelligence we could come to some sort of agreement.

And a lot of them are selfish.. they want everything for themselves and don't care what happens to anybody else... classic captialists.

[-VMG-]

Seems to me we know more then the lot of you leftists, our province was the first out of debt, ours is the economic engine of the country, ours pays more per capita in transfer payments. Ours is the best geographic region in the world to invest into. Ours has the small unemployment numbers, ours has done this despite the raping and pilliging of the province by eastern Canada. I think we know what we are talking about. You not so much.

Based on the oil industry... which isn't going to be around forever and is quite inefficient... have fun.

First out of debt... its hard not to when you are making multiple billions off a very high OIL price.... and if you looked into it further you would see that they crushed some people to get there. But you know that's cool... who cares if you gotta push a few seniors down the stairs.

Edited December 7, 2008 by -VMG-

[eyeball]

Like I said...

I could blow Canada off in a moment and sleep like a baby. That's pretty much what it did to us after all.

I really get a kick out of Albertan's howling hatred for the NEP and how Ottawa sold them out to the ROC, imagine how they would have felt of Ottawa had sold Alberta out to another country like they did the BC coast.

[kimmy]

I'm from alberta. Of course there are exceptions.

I normally don't post shit... but seriously take a look around your province, you can't tell me that most of these people know what the fuck they are even talking about.

It's all based on handing down political views through the generations.

I'm not saying other Canadians are or are not stupid... but the majority of albertans have no idea what the hell is even going on.

I know i went over the top with that post... but honestly most don't have a clue.

What makes you say "they don't have a clue" or "don't know what the fuck they're talking about"?

That they disagree with the way you think they should see things?

What they gonna beat me up because they have no intelligent thing to say back to me? Typical.

There's a line that can be crossed where instead of an intelligent response, you get a fist in your ear.

"Selfish pieces of garbage" isn't the sort of dialog that is going to get you an intelligent response.

Perhaps there's a life lesson you can learn from today's little chat.

-k

[-VMG-]

What makes you say "they don't have a clue" or "don't know what the fuck they're talking about"?

That they disagree with the way you think they should see things?

There's a line that can be crossed where instead of an intelligent response, you get a fist in your ear.

"Selfish pieces of garbage" isn't the sort of dialog that is going to get you an intelligent response.

Perhaps there's a life lesson you can learn from today's little chat.

-k

Most recently this coalition... thinking as if the conservatives have some divine right to lead the government even though they have a minority government.

I'm speaking about the average albertan here... i'm sure there are many well educated people.

It's not that they disagree... or maybe it is... they disagree on things that can't be disagreed on.... they debate things that are not debatable....

Of course "selfish pieces of garbage" by itself is not going to get an intelligent response... I would explain why they are...

But then again this is mostly about rural albertans... I suppose i'll agree that the urban albertans are different. But they don't seem to be as loud mouthed and obnoxious as their rural counterpart... i could see this as being a reason why other Canadian provinces would see Alberta being this way.

This is pointless.... i admit i went overboard on that post... i wasn't in line... but it does have its merits.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I think we need to go back to a more logical conception of Canada that includes the original founding members (as well as PEI and Newfoundland if they so desire)--the West has clearly chosen to taken on the role of aggitator and destabilizer, and this has gone on for much too long. Harper is just the latest in a succession of Western leaders who has sought to undermine Canada by provoking Quebec and demeaning Ontario and the Maritimes. If it were decided that Canada would henceforth encapsulate only those provinces EAST of the Ontario/Manitoba border, I certainly would have no problem with it.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Charles Anthony
merged thread; old OP title: "Canada needs to seperate from the West"

[BornAlbertan]

So because 60% of people in alberta want to separate means the 40% that don't get no say whatsoever?

I would say you need much more than a majority to seperate from Canada... more around the 85-90% mark.

Not to mention most Albertans are stupid.Known fact. I live here and they are definitely stupid.

They also don't even bother to consider the legalities and formalities or separation... they just want to separate because "the east" is being meanies and wanna take our oil like it's somehow our resource because we found it and we shouldn't have to share.

Albertans are selfish pieces of garbage. They have no say.

Well i shouldn't say ALL... but the majority for sure.

I notice you said you LIVE in Alberta...but never called yourself Albertan. And then you go off to call names etc... Guess what you can do...go to hell...er I mean back to Ontario or Newfoundland. Self righteous prick.

I am Canadian only because my province is in Canada. First and foremost I am Albertan. Not because I am selfish, but because we are only a "welcome" member of Confederation because of what we can offer monetarily. The ROC doesn't give a damn about the west in any capacity other than money. Cheretien even said it best when he said he didn't like working with us because we were different... guess what fool...you were supposed to be our prime minister. IT WAS YOUR JOB PAL!!!

If you can prove to me otherwise that the ROC truly gives a damn about the people of Alebrta and not its wealth...I will certainly be willing to reconsider my position. To be labelled rednecks...stupid...greedy...selfish...it is that kind of stuff that makes people not feel welcome within a so-called "family".

[Ontario Loyalist]

Seems to me we know more then the lot of you leftists, our province was the first out of debt, ours is the economic engine of the country, ours pays more per capita in transfer payments. Ours is the best geographic region in the world to invest into. Ours has the small unemployment numbers, ours has done this despite the raping and pilliging of the province by eastern Canada. I think we know what we are talking about. You not so much.

You should pay a little more attention to the real world: the alberta economy is by no means immune from the current economic crisis, especially considering that oil/gas and agriculture are the key aspects of your economy...

[blueblood]

You should pay a little more attention to the real world: the alberta economy is by no means immune from the current economic crisis, especially considering that oil/gas and agriculture are the key aspects of your economy...

And better performers than the auto industry.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I would love to see you repeat this to any Albertan in person.

Yeah, and what are the chances that our new member is actually a diehard Westerner trying to bait members like you... unlike me, who is sincerely an Ontariocentric Real Canadian who can't stand the West...

[BornAlbertan]

Based on the oil industry... which isn't going to be around forever and is quite inefficient... have fun.

First out of debt... its hard not to when you are making multiple billions off a very high OIL price.... and if you looked into it further you would see that they crushed some people to get there. But you know that's cool... who cares if you gotta push a few seniors down the stairs.

If you were so much more intelligent than the average ALBERTAN, you would know that our debt nearly was paid off before oil ever even hit $40/barrel. Just goes to show you are a transplant.

[Ontario Loyalist]

And better performers than the auto industry.

The loss of auto manufacturing jobs will have more of a negative impact on you than it does me. Ontario is still the financial and economic heart of Canada.

[kimmy]

I think we need to go back to a more logical conception of Canada that includes the original founding members (as well as PEI and Newfoundland if they so desire)--the West has clearly chosen to taken on the role of aggitator and destabilizer, and this has gone on for much too long. Harper is just the latest in a succession of Western leaders who has sought to undermine Canada by provoking Quebec and demeaning Ontario and the Maritimes. If it were decided that Canada would henceforth encapsulate only those provinces EAST of the Ontario/Manitoba border, I certainly would have no problem with it.

I am sure that your sentiments would be music to the ears of most western separatists.

I do quibble with the point about provoking Quebec, however. I think that if you check your history book, you'll notice that Quebec was "provoked" before Harper, Day, or Manning arrived on the scene. The only Western Canadian who might have been on the national scene in time to "provoke" Quebec was Diefenbaker, and I'm not convinced that Quebec's issues with the rest of Canada can be traced to Diefenbaker in any sensible manner.

I think you might find that the federal leaders who've been most guilty of provoking Quebec are actually Trudeau, Chretien, and Dion.

-k

[cybercoma]

I am sure that your sentiments would be music to the ears of most western separatists.

I do quibble with the point about provoking Quebec, however. I think that if you check your history book, you'll notice that Quebec was "provoked" before Harper, Day, or Manning arrived on the scene. The only Western Canadian who might have been on the national scene in time to "provoke" Quebec was Diefenbaker, and I'm not convinced that Quebec's issues with the rest of Canada can be traced to Diefenbaker in any sensible manner.

I think you might find that the federal leaders who've been most guilty of provoking Quebec are actually Trudeau, Chretien, and Dion.

-k

I blame Diefenbaker for The Quiet Revolution. It's his fault Quebec is so damn whiny.

[-VMG-]

I notice you said you LIVE in Alberta...but never called yourself Albertan. And then you go off to call names etc... Guess what you can do...go to hell...er I mean back to Ontario or Newfoundland. Self righteous prick.

I am Canadian only because my province is in Canada. First and foremost I am Albertan. Not because I am selfish, but because we are only a "welcome" member of Confederation because of what we can offer monetarily. The ROC doesn't give a damn about the west in any capacity other than money. Cheretien even said it best when he said he didn't like working with us because we were different... guess what fool...you were supposed to be our prime minister. IT WAS YOUR JOB PAL!!!

If you can prove to me otherwise that the ROC truly gives a damn about the people of Alebrta and not its wealth...I will certainly be willing to reconsider my position. To be labelled rednecks...stupid...greedy...selfish...it is that kind of stuff that makes people not feel welcome within a so-called "family".

I don't call myself Albertan because that's a ludicrous idea... I was born in Alberta, Raised in Alberta. Don't tell me to go back to Ontario.

It seems to me all you care about is the money... otherwise you wouldn't care that they only care about the money.... I guess we could have become part of the united states back in the day rather than joining Canada...

I'm sure you could find all sorts of reasons why each and every province was added to confederation... So i don't think there is much of an argument there...

Why is anybody part of anything really?

[Ontario Loyalist]

So if Canada were to seperate from the West, what would become of it and what would they refer to themselves as????

[BornAlbertan]

I don't call myself Albertan because that's a ludicrous idea... I was born in Alberta, Raised in Alberta. Don't tell me to go back to Ontario.

It seems to me all you care about is the money... otherwise you wouldn't care that they only care about the money.... I guess we could have become part of the united states back in the day rather than joining Canada...

I'm sure you could find all sorts of reasons why each and every province was added to confederation... So i don't think there is much of an argument there...

Why is anybody part of anything really?

not convinced...sorry

Ok...so tell me. I have no problems paying my taxes etc... but the thing is, that is all the ROC ever bitches about is Alberta, its oil and its inherent wealth. They don't give a rat's ass about Alberta, it's culture, its people...it is only money money money. So yeah...if that is all they want us for then yeah...that is what upsets me is their desire for our money. Cause they don't desire anything else Albertan.

Edited December 7, 2008 by BornAlbertan

[-VMG-]

If you were so much more intelligent than the average ALBERTAN, you would know that our debt nearly was paid off before oil ever even hit $40/barrel. Just goes to show you are a transplant.

It was still a very strong in that time... Which begs the question... If we were able to get out of debt at $40/barrel where the hell is all this money going that we should have seen haev an impact when it was at $90+/barrel.

You would also know that a lot of public funding was cut in the name of getting rid of the debt... maybe thats why albertans are so stupid