Coalition Government

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

They undershot their previous budgets by approx twenty dollars a barrell. They can afford a year or two decline. Don't worry, they have a government famous for swinging the axe.

Yes, I've seen. Blow up hospitals real good!

johhny · November 30, 2008

Alberta is by far the richest oil producing region in the world and its citizens are the best off. There are other oil producing countries in the world that are basket cases. Alberta needed good fiscal management and government to properly utilize its wealth. Ontario can pull itself by the bootstraps, it has its own set of gold mines. Not the tories fault they can't manage them.

thankfully I am not one of them but many people have or are suffering in Alberta when rent doubled house prices trippled, we cut healthcare and many social programs. Talk to the average folk and most have suffered threw the boom.

Also, Alberta for the first time since klien has went into the red and ran up a debt of $300million if you think that is good I hate to see the bad

Edited November 30, 2008 by johhny

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

I'm doing fine, thank you very much.
Which brings us back to Harper who made a choice to run a deficit and not respond to the entire country but act first and foremost for his western base and himself.

I beg to differ his base sent a message in winnipeg. He has spent much more in Qubec and Ont, then his base, nice try.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Yes, I've seen. Blow up hospitals real good!

Do what ya gotta do, this comming from someone whose family was burned by Alberta health.

Smallc · November 30, 2008

We are what a month and a half into a recession in the US, and in the process of speculating one here. Our economy typically follows the Americans by about a year to a year and half. We new this was comming changes were made to the banking system 2 years ago, which gave us the rating of number one, and that the credit crunch really didn't effect us. What we need to see now is what the tax changes have done, not to mention what tax revenue will be lost as companies write off capital losses. (that fact that companies can do this is a type of bail out) By the end of the of this quarter we should have a better idea of whats going to happen in Canada in regard to this recession and its effect on consumer confidence. We also have the transfer of political power in the US on Jan 20th which will also have an effect. By end of this quarter we will know what kind of shape the companies are as they release their numbers for the share holders. Once the info is gathered I would hope the government would look to take approperiate action, through tax cuts, tax credit writeoffs, government loans ect. which ever would be the best solution once the real problem is determined, not the one the media is hyping for fear to sell papers.

Every economist I have seen disagrees with you.

blueblood · November 30, 2008

I'm doing fine, thank you very much.
Which brings us back to Harper who made a choice to run a deficit and not respond to the entire country but act first and foremost for his western base and himself.

The federal Liberals appealed to their base of city people and Ontarians and pissed off western Canada, but since its the Liberals its alright. Nice double standard.

Yes, I've seen. Blow up hospitals real good!

They balanced the budget, paid off the debt once, they'll do it again. It was good enough for Albertans, the tories got re-elected!!!

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Every economist I have seen disagrees with you.

Wow that changed yesterday from some to most to now we are to all great I love evolution of exaggeration.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Every economist I have seen disagrees with you.

you've got so little left you have to tell me that all economists disagree with me, nice.

johhny · November 30, 2008

The federal Liberals appealed to their base of city people and Ontarians and pissed off western Canada, but since its the Liberals its alright. Nice double standard.
They balanced the budget, paid off the debt once, they'll do it again. It was good enough for Albertans, the tories got re-elected!!!

The old boys who knew how to manage budgets are long gone

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

The old boys who knew how to manage budgets are long gone

There is a new crop coming.

johhny · November 30, 2008

There is a new crop coming.

Ya and the new crop has put Alberta in debt $300,000,000 in less than 2 years, during peak oil.

Smallc · November 30, 2008

Wow that changed yesterday from some to most to now we are to all great I love evolution of exaggeration.

I never once said some. I always said most economists....I didn't see one agree with you, but by saying most, I was allowing that there are probably some that do. That said, none that I have seen have agreed with you.

Smallc · November 30, 2008

you've got so little left you have to tell me that all economists disagree with me, nice.

Since they know more about economics than me.....

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Since they know more about economics than me.....

Some debate, sorry I don't argue with fictional economists.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

The federal Liberals appealed to their base of city people and Ontarians and pissed off western Canada, but since its the Liberals its alright. Nice double standard.

Knowing how Tories operate, they will piss off their western base even more and have a big split again.

They balanced the budget, paid off the debt once, they'll do it again. It was good enough for Albertans, the tories got re-elected!!!

The people who died as a result of poor healthcare in Alberta didn't get to vote.

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Some debate, sorry I don't argue with fictional economists.

Wow smallc look at this I thought no economists agreed with me, or are we going to back to some or most. I just saw this on this forum no less as I have finnally worked my way down the threads, very similiar to what I wrote, before I even knew this existed. Please go ahead and look, I bet you won't like it though.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=364406

Edited November 30, 2008 by Alta4ever

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

I beg to differ his base sent a message in winnipeg. He has spent much more in Qubec and Ont, then his base, nice try.

He certain does spend. Look at the deficit coming.

Edited November 30, 2008 by jdobbin

Smallc · November 30, 2008

moved down.

Edited November 30, 2008 by Smallc

Alta4ever · November 30, 2008

Didn't refer to spending but to the belligerent need to attack and be hyperpartisan and run deficits.

Better start looking in your own back yard.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

Better start looking in your own back yard.

What backyard is that?

blueblood · November 30, 2008

Knowing how Tories operate, they will piss off their western base even more and have a big split again.
The people who died as a result of poor healthcare in Alberta didn't get to vote.

We're already in, you said that the tories dont want to piss of their western base. Geez your all over the place.

What about the people who died as a result of poor healthcare as the result of the Liberals slashing healthcare funding? People, glass houses and rocks don't mix.

jdobbin · November 30, 2008

We're already in, you said that the tories dont want to piss of their western base. Geez your all over the place.

Am I? The hyperpartisan right believes that Harper should move further right and applauded the leader when he went for the throat but they will be even more upset if he loses office.

Didn't you yourself mention a new leader? I can imagine this tearing the party apart.

What about the people who died as a result of poor healthcare as the result of the Liberals slashing healthcare funding? People, glass houses and rocks don't mix.

Healthcare, as some Tories keep mentioning to me, is a provincial responsibility. The Liberals slashed transfers and the provinces slashed themselves and lowered taxes in many cases rather fund healthcare.

blueblood · November 30, 2008

Am I? The hyperpartisan right believes that Harper should move further right and applauded the leader when he went for the throat but they will be even more upset if he loses office.
Didn't you yourself mention a new leader? I can imagine this tearing the party apart.

Healthcare, as some Tories keep mentioning to me, is a provincial responsibility. The Liberals slashed transfers and the provinces slashed themselves and lowered taxes in many cases rather fund healthcare.

I wouldn't mind a new leader. I'm happy he went for the throat, but him backing off doesn't have me impressed. If he loses gov't the election, he should go.

It is a provincial responsibility, the Liberals took out the knees of the provinces. If the Libs under trudeau want healthcare, then the Libs should support that. Don't blame the Albertans for Killing people, the Libs have blood on their hands as well.

Smallc · November 30, 2008

It is a provincial responsibility, the Liberals took out the knees of the provinces. If the Libs under trudeau want healthcare, then the Libs should support that. Don't blame the Albertans for Killing people, the Libs have blood on their hands as well.

Hey, I thought transfers were bad?

Smallc · November 30, 2008

Wow smallc look at this I thought no economists agreed with me, or are we going to back to some or most. I just saw this on this forum no less as I have finnally worked my way down the threads, very similiar to what I wrote, before I even knew this existed. Please go ahead and look, I bet you won't like it though.
http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=364406

I never said they all disagreed with you. I also never said that some disagreed. I said that some did agree, but most didn'tt. I was allowing that even though I didn't see any that agreed with you. I didn't once pretend that they all disagreed with you.