M.Dancer Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 By no means. Native people expanded their territories out of necessity ....- That explains the pre-colombian empire how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Native people generally excreted away from their villages, far away from water and food sources and in an area that allowed for the rapid composting of human waste. In comparison (and generally speaking) The British crapped anywhere they felt like it, including close to their drinking water sources and amongst their crops, as well as only bathing once or twice a year. Yes. The Haudenosaunee were superior in hygiene at the time of contact and continued to be long after, until European sanitation laws made them start crapping close to their homes and drinking water. Today those laws are pretty much unchanged and our systems put much of our wastes into our food sources and into our drinking water. I though it does save us the cost of birth control and antibiotics medications since it never gets treated or filtered out of our drinking water..... Er, doesn't this view ignore the point of settlement size? Having been to Tikal and Copan, I've seen first hand that those pre-Colombian cities had toilets smack in the middle of the urban area; the place was originally so large that going away from "their village" to do their business was impossible. Like most other inventions, sanitary systems were born out of necessity, and the Europeans weren't the only ones to invent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I like this one: They had no need to expand their territories... Fifteen minutes later... Native people expanded their territories out of necessity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 More sweeping statements from charter-rights sans any method to support such claims. Next-up: the native indians' conquest of space pre-Elizabeth I....As mentioned...had the Roman found North America... --------------------------------------------- Do you like your quasi-futuristic clothes Mr. Powers? I designed them myself. ---Dr Evil More ignorant ostrich posturing by dogonporch without any refutations. Next up sing along with the dog..la la la la la la...I can't hear you....la la la la... The Romans wiped themselves out through the same kinds of greed and power structures that are now decimating our civilization. And of course they couldn't tame the Celts whom the NA Indians have more in common with than the British ever did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I like this one:Fifteen minutes later... Of course you are a master of taking things out of context and then trying to make an argument over it. Read it again. Two different points were being made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Of course you are a master of taking things out of context and then trying to make an argument over it. Read it again. Two different points were being made. The celts became Roman.....ever heard of Gaul? Britain? Spain? ...Perhaps you are thinking of the Picts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Of course you are a master of taking things out of context and then trying to make an argument over it. What argument? Your words were self-contradictory. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 What argument? Your words were self-contradictory. Period. Read it again - in whole this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 More ignorant ostrich posturing by dogonporch without any refutations. Next up sing along with the dog..la la la la la la...I can't hear you....la la la la... The Romans wiped themselves out through the same kinds of greed and power structures that are now decimating our civilization. And of course they couldn't tame the Celts whom the NA Indians have more in common with than the British ever did. Caesar took Gaul (the Celtic heartland) in a highly dramatic affair known as the Siege/Battle of Alesia. The same fate would have awaited the native indians of North America. The Picts were walled up into Scotland (see Hadrian's Wall). Rome never did get around to taking Ireland...knew it was there, though. Rome was not so much wiped out as faded away. Elements of the old Roman Empire still exist in our culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alesia Native indians of North America are no comparrison at all. The Gauls/Celts at least had metal working...and the wheel...and farming...and engineering...and...etc. ------------------------------------------------ The die is cast (alea jacta est). ---Julius Caesar via Suetonius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 So an iron axe in the hand of a primative makes them less primative as compared to the guy with the stick? People assume that progress or time moving ahead is in a state of evolvement to a better world - I see the opposite taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Really - this is a pointless discussion. You can't argue that native North Americans had better technology - it just isn't so. And arguing about the attendant social ills that the Europeans brought is fine, but those ills came from a technological society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaill Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 The celts became Roman.....ever heard of Gaul? Britain? Spain?...Perhaps you are thinking of the Picts... Not all Celts became Roman. Even within what the Roamns called Briton, the Celtic culture thrived. Such was the tribe that Boudica belonged to. Wales and Cornwall as well as north of Hadrians wall and waht the Romans called Hibernia all retained Celtic culture. Galatia also retained its culture for many years after the decline of the Roman Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaill Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Really - this is a pointless discussion.You can't argue that native North Americans had better technology - it just isn't so. And arguing about the attendant social ills that the Europeans brought is fine, but those ills came from a technological society. I am not arguing that the Native Americans were technologically advanced, at the time. However there is alot of evidence to show that they did have periods of great advancement, much as Europe, the mid-east and Asia had, and even Africa. I still maintain that it was all cyclical at different times in human history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I still maintain that it was all cyclical at different times in human history. Nothing is cyclical until you discover the wheel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 So an iron axe in the hand of a primative makes them less primative as compared to the guy with the stick? People assume that progress or time moving ahead is in a state of evolvement to a better world - I see the opposite taking place. It's the year 722 AD in southern Britain. The guy across from you in the yearly battle has a stick. You have an old Roman gladis and a slightly damaged suit of Roman scale mail you found in some ruin. So do your friends. Who's gonna win?? Com'on Oleg...even you must have tried Sid Meier's Civilization. If not...go out and buy it...you're in for a treat. ------------------------------------------ There was a time when people didn't go out of their house on Tuesday night at eight o'clock because Milton Berle was on. ---Ed Mcmahon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaill Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 It's the year 722 AD in southern Britain. The guy across from you in the yearly battle has a stick. You have an old Roman gladis and a slightly damaged suit of Roman scale mail you found in some ruin. So do your friends. Who's gonna win?? Com'on Oleg...even you must have tried Sid Meier's Civilization. If not...go out and buy it...you're in for a treat.------------------------------------------ There was a time when people didn't go out of their house on Tuesday night at eight o'clock because Milton Berle was on. ---Ed Mcmahon I see your chain mail and raise you by 2 Welsh longbowmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) I see your chain mail and raise you by 2 Welsh longbowmen. indeed... ----------------------------- Gary Gygax: It's a (rolls dice) pleasure to meet you. ---Futurama Edited November 25, 2008 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Doors Posted November 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 The celts became Roman.....ever heard of Gaul? Britain? Spain?...Perhaps you are thinking of the Picts... It's not a tumour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Just imagine if the natives werent here at the time of contact? What would you be arguing over now? What would be in the history books? You're history--damn I'd be bored silly! So thank god for the indians!! [ /font] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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