This Justin!

[Pliny]

Hopefully the ghost of PE Turdeau (fuddle-duddle a typo) is not looming on the horizon. Perhaps an anointing is in the cards at sometime in the future of the Liberal party.

We certainly do not need to lose the gains we have won under Harper as relates to the decentralization of power.

The left here invents and then complains about Harper's iron-fisted leadership when it is simply just a different direction than they are used to going. They are like recalcitrant children being led away kicking and screaming, from the candy store.

Canadians, Ontarians especially, surprised me somewhat, in this election, by not ganging up too much on Harper.

[capricorn]

In a sense I'm glad Justin won his seat. I'm curious to see how he'll do as a new parliamentarian. I wonder if he inherited his father's charisma and, oratory and political skills. Now I'll get to find out.

[TOhasCLASS]

Hopefully the ghost of PE Turdeau (fuddle-duddle a typo) is not looming on the horizon. Perhaps an anointing is in the cards at sometime in the future of the Liberal party.

We certainly do not need to lose the gains we have won under Harper as relates to the decentralization of power.

The left here invents and then complains about Harper's iron-fisted leadership when it is simply just a different direction than they are used to going. They are like recalcitrant children being led away kicking and screaming, from the candy store.

Canadians, Ontarians especially, surprised me somewhat, in this election, by not ganging up too much on Harper.

Justin Trudeau happens to be a very eloquent, respectful and itelligent young man who connects with the average man as he was a school teacher and did some valuable charity work with world poverty organizations ..... gains under Harper ? .... interesting terms you use ...... I don't call spending $300 million on his own personal quest for ego and power against the wishes of the public a gain for us .... Do me a favour call your local CPC candidate you canvased for and inform him the public wants Harper to get back to work and make the minority function by actually developing some policies with the other parties and quit whinning about ... Boo Hoo I can't work with these people.

[Moonbox]

Canadians, Ontarians especially, surprised me somewhat, in this election, by not ganging up too much on Harper.

We don't hate Harper. Large ethnic communities vote Liberal because they have been pandered to by this government for the 13 years leading up to the election. Metro Toronto and surrounding areas support the Liberals. The vast majority of the rest of province support conservative governments.

The Liberal Party is the most regionally secular government in Canada....I would go almost so far as to say moreso than the Bloc. The Tories won and will continue to win as long as the Liberals feel they can tell non-urban Canadians what they want.

[CrazeeEddie]

We don't hate Harper. Large ethnic communities vote Liberal because they have been pandered to by this government for the 13 years leading up to the election. Metro Toronto and surrounding areas support the Liberals. The vast majority of the rest of province support conservative governments.

The Liberal Party is the most regionally secular government in Canada....I would go almost so far as to say moreso than the Bloc. The Tories won and will continue to win as long as the Liberals feel they can tell non-urban Canadians what they want.

Three things:

1) I live in NW Ontario, about as Rural as you can get. No support for the CPC up here! In fact, I would venture that outside of the 705/905 area, CPC support is fairly low to average. And I would hardly call the 905 rural

2) A good majority of the province's population lives in these urban areas, but once again, I suppose these votes don't matter. Odd how you support a party who decries 'elitists' while you believe that only your vote matters.

3) What exactly do you consider an ethnic community?

[CrazeeEddie]

We don't hate Harper. Large ethnic communities vote Liberal because they have been pandered to by this government for the 13 years leading up to the election. Metro Toronto and surrounding areas support the Liberals. The vast majority of the rest of province support conservative governments.

The Liberal Party is the most regionally secular government in Canada....I would go almost so far as to say moreso than the Bloc. The Tories won and will continue to win as long as the Liberals feel they can tell non-urban Canadians what they want.

Also, speaking of secular governments, where exactly would the CPC be without Alberta? I would say, without a doubt, that there are three truly national parties at the moment. Two that have been there forever, one who's main base is a province that contains a huge chunk of Canada's population, and one who's main base contains a large chunk of Canada's oil. A third that has just recently begun to show appeal to those across the country. The other provinces tend to swing back and forth.

[kengs333]

Hopefully the ghost of PE Turdeau

Childish.

Canadians, Ontarians especially, surprised me somewhat, in this election, by not ganging up too much on Harper.

Just goes to show that Ontario isn't mired in regionalistic group-think like other parts of Canada. Ontario had every right to give Harper the boot, but there is no real alternative except maybe the Greens. If the Greens would make Ontario their "homebase" there are some ridings in southwestern Ontario that are promising.

[M.Dancer]

Also, speaking of secular governments, where exactly would the CPC be without Alberta?

25 seats less or about what they had before the election, so in othwer words, the Government

[CrazeeEddie]

25 seats less or about what they had before the election, so in othwer words, the Government

Without the base in Alberta, Harper would not even be here.

[Smallc]

Without the base in Alberta, Harper would not even be here.

And without Toronto and Montreal the Liberals wouldn't be in too good of shape either. What's your point?

[CrazeeEddie]

Childish.

Just goes to show that Ontario isn't mired in regionalistic group-think like other parts of Canada. Ontario had every right to give Harper the boot, but there is no real alternative except maybe the Greens. If the Greens would make Ontario their "homebase" there are some ridings in southwestern Ontario that are promising.

Please don't dispel this CPC myth. I don't know where they'd be without it. Also, in your scenario, the Greens would be nothing more than what the NDP is in NW Ontario.

[CrazeeEddie]

And without Toronto and Montreal the Liberals wouldn't be in too good of shape either. What's your point?

Or Vancouver, Atlantic Canada.........

[CrazeeEddie]

And without Toronto and Montreal the Liberals wouldn't be in too good of shape either. What's your point?

Oh, and my point was to dispel this myth that the CPC is now somehow a 'NATIONAL' party, instead of a very regionalised one.

[M.Dancer]

Without the base in Alberta, Harper would not even be here.

And?

Without Alberta the drive from Winnipeg to Vancouver would be 4 hours shorter....

Nevertheless, 118 seats without Alberta, ergo, most MPs are not Albertans in fact, there are twice as many Ontario conservative MPs than Albertan.

[M.Dancer]

Oh, and my point was to dispel this myth that the CPC is now somehow a 'NATIONAL' party, instead of a very regionalised one.

Don't let facts blunt your leaden point.

[CrazeeEddie]

And?

Without Alberta the drive from Winnipeg to Vancouver would be 4 hours shorter....

Nevertheless, 118 seats without Alberta, ergo, most MPs are not Albertans in fact, there are twice as many Ontario conservative MPs than Albertan.

I think you're totally missing my point, without Alberta, Harper's party would not exist. And yes, most MPs are not ALbertan, however, as a party, the CPC is still very west coast.

[Mad_Michael]

Hopefully the ghost of PE Turdeau (fuddle-duddle a typo) is not looming on the horizon. Perhaps an anointing is in the cards at sometime in the future of the Liberal party.

We certainly do not need to lose the gains we have won under Harper as relates to the decentralization of power.

The left here invents and then complains about Harper's iron-fisted leadership when it is simply just a different direction than they are used to going. They are like recalcitrant children being led away kicking and screaming, from the candy store.

Canadians, Ontarians especially, surprised me somewhat, in this election, by not ganging up too much on Harper.

One can only hope that Justin is half the man his father was. That would put him a good measure higher than most other politicians. P.E.T. was one of Canada's greatest and most respected leaders.

We've had none of his stature since.

Congrats to Justin on winning a hard-fought campaign in a tough riding. Justin could have chosen to run in a 'safe' Liberal seat - he didn't. He's going to be one to watch because of it.

[M.Dancer]

Regional Party Breakdown

Conservatives, 9 provinces, 1 territory

Liberals, 9 provinces, 1 Territory

NDP 9 Provinces, 1 territory

Bloc, 1 Province

[M.Dancer]

the CPC is still very west coast.

So now your saying it's a BC Party?

[CrazeeEddie]

Regional Party Breakdown

Conservatives, 9 provinces, 1 territory

Liberals, 9 provinces, 1 Territory

NDP 9 Provinces, 1 territory

Bloc, 1 Province

Which agrees with my position that there are three national parties. One who's base is Eastern Canada, mainly Ontario, one who's base in Western Canada, mainly Alberta, and one who is new to the National scene.

[CrazeeEddie]

So now your saying it's a BC Party?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying

Anyway, to get back to the original argument, the comment was made that the Liberals were a secular party, representing only one region. My counterargument is that they are no more secular than our current governing party.

I apologize, I meant to say that the CPC is any more of a NATIONAL party than the Liberals are.

Edited October 15, 2008 by CrazeeEddie

[M.Dancer]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying

Anyway, to get back to the original argument, the comment was made that the Liberals were a secular party, representing only one region. My counterargument is that they are no more secular than our current governing party.

I don't think secular is the right word.....

But indeed the Liberals have token representation outside of Ontario and Montreal whereas the Conservative have strong support in every province except NFLD.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Considering that almost half of the citizens in this nation did not vote at all, I will suggest that there is no party that can lay claim to any version of strong support anywhere in the nation. Damned near 1 of every two citizens simply didn't vote. At best all of the parties share about half the support of Canadians, that is the long and the short of it.

[blueblood]

One can only hope that Justin is half the man his father was. That would put him a good measure higher than most other politicians. P.E.T. was one of Canada's greatest and most respected leaders.

We've had none of his stature since.

Congrats to Justin on winning a hard-fought campaign in a tough riding. Justin could have chosen to run in a 'safe' Liberal seat - he didn't. He's going to be one to watch because of it.

Westerners hate Pierre Trudeau, I especially hate him. He is the reason why the Liberals will never ever get elected in rural Canada again and why I despise the Liberals. As for writing off rural Canada, where are the Liberals now???

If Justin Trudeau gets any higher in the Liberal caucus, the Liberals can kiss Western Canada goodbye for another 50 years. I have heard this person speak and it sends shivers down my spine. Expect the red tories to flee the party when Trudeau gains prominence. The Liberals don't need to go left, they need to go back to the centre.

[CrazeeEddie]

I don't think secular is the right word.....

But indeed the Liberals have token representation outside of Ontario and Montreal whereas the Conservative have strong support in every province except NFLD.

Liberal support is down in some provinces at the current time, yes. With a weak leader Canadians don't identify with, and a political base split between themselves and the NDP/ Green parties.

Yet, even with all this, their support in Ontario was 33% (to 39% for the CPC)

in Quebec 24% to 22% for the CPC

in NFLD 47% to 17% for the CPC

in NS 30% to 26% for the CPC

in NB 32% to 39% for the CPC

in PEI 48% to 36% for the CPC

seems pretty strong outside of Ontario to me. In fact, only in NB and Ontario do the CPC draw better than the Liberals, which kinda counters your statement.

then we head west

in MB 19% to 49% for the CPC

in SASK 15% to 54% for the CPC

in AB 11% to 65% for the CPC

in BC 9% to 44% for the CPC

hmm, seems to prove the CPC base statement.

in the north,

in YK 45% to 33% for the CPC

in NWT 14% to 38% for the CPC

in NUN 29% to 35% for the CPC

seems fairy split.

Seems to me that with the exception of the Western provinces, the Liberals draw very well across the rest of Canada. And this was with a horrible leader. Imagine if they had a good one?