stignasty Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. I did a quick search but didn't see it. Activist group heads to court to stop federal election Last Updated: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 The Canadian Press A political advocacy group is asking the courts to call off the Oct. 14 vote three weeks into the campaign, with tens of millions of dollars already spent on everything from ads and political buttons to ballots and campaign travel. Democracy Watch will be in Federal Court on Thursday to argue that Prime Minister Stephen Harper broke his own law on fixed election dates when he called the vote. The group wants the court to cancel the election, even though its own lawyer acknowledged the action is a long shot. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2...tion-court.html Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
capricorn Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 And I was having so much fun. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
g_bambino Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. I did a quick search but didn't see it.Activist group heads to court to stop federal election Last Updated: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 The Canadian Press A political advocacy group is asking the courts to call off the Oct. 14 vote three weeks into the campaign, with tens of millions of dollars already spent on everything from ads and political buttons to ballots and campaign travel. Democracy Watch will be in Federal Court on Thursday to argue that Prime Minister Stephen Harper broke his own law on fixed election dates when he called the vote. The group wants the court to cancel the election, even though its own lawyer acknowledged the action is a long shot. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2...tion-court.html Oops. I just posted a similar thread. D'oh! Quote
capricorn Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Too funny. You were both posting at the very same time. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
myata Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Well, laws are made to be followed, are they? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Alta4ever Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Well, laws are made to be followed, are they? If it was illegle why would the Govener General Disolved Parliment? Stop whining, deal with it. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Topaz Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 I think they should have waited until AFTER the election and IF Harper got back in with a minority, then they would have some leverage. They could have use that Harper waste time and money and nothing change and so HE should step aside and let one of his members take over for him since he said he could work with the other parties. Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 I think they should have waited until AFTER the election and IF Harper got back in with a minority, then they would have some leverage. They could have use that Harper waste time and money and nothing change and so HE should step aside and let one of his members take over for him since he said he could work with the other parties. Even with a minority it the arguement doesn't work. It will be nice to have a renewed refreshed federal goverment. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
myata Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 If it was illegle why would the Govener General Disolved Parliment? Stop whining, deal with it. The court will say whether it was or not. The law introduced by Harper's conservatives calls for the fixed election dates. Remember? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
g_bambino Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 I think they should have waited until AFTER the election and IF Harper got back in with a minority, then they would have some leverage. They could have use that Harper waste time and money and nothing change and so HE should step aside and let one of his members take over for him since he said he could work with the other parties. They could have waited until Secretaries' Day; it still wouldn't have mattered. Democracy Watch has no leverage now, and never will. It is a constitutionally enshrined prerogative of the Crown to dissolve parliament, and nothing in the amendment to the Elections Act changes this. Quote
g_bambino Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 The law introduced by Harper's conservatives calls for the fixed election dates. Remember? The law states: "Nothing in this section affects the powers of the Governor General, including the power to dissolve Parliament at the Governor General’s discretion." Remember? Quote
myata Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 And who was that who visited Governor General to get around his own law? Remember still? These our socio conservative games. Who cares about (my own) law, if I want it so badly. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Alta4ever Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) The court will say whether it was or not. The law introduced by Harper's conservatives calls for the fixed election dates. Remember? Section Home 1st Session, 39th Parliament, 1re session, 39e législature, 55 Elizabeth II, 2006 55 Elizabeth II, 2006 house of commons of canada chambre des communes du canada BILL C-16 PROJET DE LOI C-16 An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act Loi modifiant la Loi électorale du Canada 2000, c. 9 Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows: Sa Majesté, sur l’avis et avec le consentement du Sénat et de la Chambre des communes du Canada, édicte : 2000, ch. 9 1. The Canada Elections Act is amended by adding the following before the heading “Writs of Election” before section 57: 1. La Loi électorale du Canada est modifiée par adjonction, avant l’intertitre « Brefs » précédant l’article 57, de ce qui suit : Date of General Election Date des élections générales Powers of Governor General preserved 56.1 (1) Nothing in this section affects the powers of the Governor General, including the power to dissolve Parliament at the Governor General’s discretion. 56.1 (1) Le présent article n’a pas pour effet de porter atteinte aux pouvoirs du gouverneur général, notamment celui de dissoudre le Parlement lorsqu’il le juge opportun. Maintien des pouvoirs du gouverneur général Election dates (2) Subject to subsection (1), each general election must be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following polling day for the last general election, with the first general election after this section comes into force being held on Monday, October 19, 2009. (2) Sous réserve du paragraphe (1), les élections générales ont lieu le troisième lundi d’octobre de la quatrième année civile qui suit le jour du scrutin de la dernière élection générale, la première élection générale suivant l’entrée en vigueur du présent article devant avoir lieu le lundi 19 octobre 2009. Date des élections Alternate day 56.2 (1) If the Chief Electoral Officer is of the opinion that a Monday that would otherwise be polling day under subsection 56.1(2) is not suitable for that purpose, including by reason of its being in conflict with a day of cultural or religious significance or a provincial or municipal election, the Chief Electoral Officer may choose another day in accordance with subsection (4) and shall recommend to the Governor in Council that polling day be that other day. 56.2 (1) S’il est d’avis que le lundi qui serait normalement le jour du scrutin en application du paragraphe 56.1(2) ne convient pas à cette fin, notamment parce qu’il coïncide avec un jour revêtant une importance culturelle ou religieuse ou avec la tenue d’une élection provinciale ou municipale, le directeur général des élections peut choisir un autre jour, conformément au paragraphe (4), qu’il recommande au gouverneur en conseil de fixer comme jour du scrutin. Jour de rechange Publication of recommendation (2) If the Chief Electoral Officer recommends an alternate day for a general election in accordance with subsection (1), he or she shall without delay publish in the Canada Gazette notice of the day recommended. (2) Le cas échéant, le directeur général des élections publie, sans délai, le jour recommandé dans la Gazette du Canada. Publication de la recommandation Making and publication of order (3) If the Governor in Council accepts the recommendation, the Governor in Council shall make an order to that effect. The order must be published without delay in the Canada Gazette. (3) S’il accepte la recommandation, le gouverneur en conseil prend un décret y donnant effet. Le décret est publié sans délai dans la Gazette du Canada. Prise et publication du décret Limitation (4) The alternate day must be either the Tuesday immediately following the Monday that would otherwise be polling day or the Monday of the following week. (4) Le jour de rechange est soit le mardi qui suit le jour qui serait normalement le jour du scrutin, soit le lundi suivant. Restriction Timing of proclamation (5) An order under subsection (3) shall not be made after August 1 in the year in which the general election is to be held. (5) Le décret prévu au paragraphe (3) ne peut être pris après le 1er août de l’année pendant laquelle l’élection générale doit être tenue. Date limite de la prise du décret 2. Subsections 57(3) to (5) of the Act are replaced by the following: 2. Les paragraphes 57(3) à (5) de la même loi sont remplacés par ce qui suit : Election held on a Monday (3) Subject to subsection (4) and section 56.2, polling day shall be on a Monday. (3) Sous réserve du paragraphe (4) et de l’article 56.2, le jour du scrutin est un lundi. Tenue du scrutin un lundi Exception (4) In the case of a general election that is not held on a day set in accordance with subsection 56.1(2) or section 56.2, if, in the week in which the election is to be held, the Monday is a holiday, polling day shall be held on the Tuesday of that week. (4) Dans le cas d’une élection générale qui n’a pas lieu un jour fixé conformément au paragraphe 56.1(2) ou à l’article 56.2, si le lundi de la semaine prévue pour la tenue du scrutin est un jour férié, le jour du scrutin est le mardi qui suit. Exception Times when polling day is a Tuesday (5) If the day fixed for the vote is a Tuesday because of subsection (4) or section 56.2, any time period specified under this Act before or after polling day is to be calculated as if polling day were the Monday. (5) Lorsque le jour du scrutin est un mardi en raison du paragraphe (4) ou de l’article 56.2, les délais fixés par la présente loi pour l’accomplissement de tout acte avant ou après le jour du scrutin sont calculés comme si le jour du scrutin était le lundi. Calcul des délais si le jour du scrutin est un mardi 2001, c. 21, s. 6 3. Section 58 of the Act is replaced by the following: 3. L’article 58 de la même loi est remplacé par ce qui suit : 2001, ch. 21, art. 6 Writs forwarded to returning officer 58. The Chief Electoral Officer shall issue a writ in Form 1 of Schedule 1 to the returning officer for the electoral district in which the election is to be held without delay after the proclamation is issued or the order is made under section 57. 58. Aussitôt après la prise de la proclamation ou du décret prévus à l’article 57, le directeur général des élections délivre un bref selon le formulaire 1 de l’annexe 1 au directeur du scrutin de chacune des circonscriptions où se tiendra l’élection. Délivrance des brefs aux directeurs du scrutin Published under authority of the Speaker of the House of Commons -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Available from: Publishing and Depository Services Public Works and Government Services Canada Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0S5 Telephone: (613) 941-5995 or 1-800-635-7943 Fax: (613) 954-5779 or 1-800-565-7757 [email protected] http://publications.gc.ca Publié avec l'autorisation du président de la Chambre des communes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disponible auprès de : Les Éditions et Services de dépôt Travaux publics et Services gouvernementaux Canada Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0S5 Téléphone : (613) 941-5995 ou 1-800-635-7943 Télécopieur : (613) 954-5779 ou 1-800-565-7757 [email protected] http://publications.gc.ca http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/P...e=1&File=24 There it is now please do tell, where does it state the the GG can't Disolve Parliment? Edited October 1, 2008 by Alta4ever Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
OddSox Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 I sure hope they don't get any government funding or grants. Probably too much to hope for... Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 I sure hope they don't get any government funding or grants. Probably too much to hope for... Why would they the court challege program has been terminated. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
myata Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Section Home Who cares? Everybody knows who broke the spirit of their own law. It's up to the court, not Web educated upstarts with unknown qualifications, to decide on the letter. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
guyser Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) BILL C-16 PROJET DE LOI C-16 An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act Loi modifiant la Loi électorale du Canada 1. The Canada Elections Act is amended by adding the following before the heading “Writs of Election” before section 57: 1. La Loi électorale du Canada est modifiée par adjonction, avant l’intertitre « Brefs » précédant l’article 57, de ce qui suit : Date of General Election Date des élections générales Powers of Governor General preserved 56.1 (1) Nothing in this section affects the powers of the Governor General, including the power to dissolve Parliament at the Governor General’s discretion. 56.1 (1) Le présent article n’a pas pour effet de porter atteinte aux pouvoirs du gouverneur général, notamment celui de dissoudre le Parlement lorsqu’il le juge opportun. Maintien des pouvoirs du gouverneur général Election dates (2) Subject to subsection (1), each general election must be held on the third Monday of October in the fourth calendar year following polling day for the last general election, with the first general election after this section comes into force being held on Monday, October 19, 2009. (2) Sous réserve du paragraphe (1), les élections générales ont lieu le troisième lundi d’octobre de la quatrième année civile qui suit le jour du scrutin de la dernière élection générale, la première élection générale suivant l’entrée en vigueur du présent article devant avoir lieu le lundi 19 octobre 2009. Date des élections Clever fellow who wrote that. Basically it says , "Parliament will have an election on the fourth calendar year following the last election subject to conditions as set forth below." "Conditions (1) I dont want to wait that long (2) See Condition #1 But no law seems to have been broken. Just the spirit. Oh well, its the activist money, they can spend it as they see fit. Edited October 1, 2008 by guyser Quote
g_bambino Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Who cares? Everybody knows who broke the spirit of their own law. It's up to the court, not Web educated upstarts with unknown qualifications, to decide on the letter. That "web educated upstarts" can read the law and understand it shows exactly why there should never have been a court case on the matter in the first place. Hopefully it will be thrown out before it goes anywhere. Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Who cares? Everybody knows who broke the spirit of their own law. It's up to the court, not Web educated upstarts with unknown qualifications, to decide on the letter. How do you break the spirit of the law but the not the law itself. Basiclly all we did was move to a four year term. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Radsickle Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 The Governor General should have put her foot down and rejected Harper's plea. Quote
Alta4ever Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 The Governor General should have put her foot down and rejected Harper's plea. What reason did she have not to dissovle parliment? Most bills were stalled in commitee, nothing was being signed into law, the government was not working. Seems to me her decision was just fine. BTW no use crying over spilt milk. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
g_bambino Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 The Governor General should have put her foot down and rejected Harper's plea. Why? He wasn't advising her to do anything unconstitutional or in any other way illegal. If the GG had done another King-Byng thing, everyone would have bitched that an unelected figure was interfering in the democratic process. It was best for her to just follow her PM's advice. Quote
guyser Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 What reason did she have not to dissovle parliment? None . Most bills were stalled in commitee, nothing was being signed into law, the government was not working. Seems to me her decision was just fine. BTW no use crying over spilt milk. Parliament was working fine. He got this law passed didnt he? I dont know why it is so hard for some to just say yes, he said one thing and did the opposite. We know he didnt break the law, look how it was written. It smacks of "Parental Law" we all heard growing up...."cuz I said so" So be it, but cripes.... Quote
Argus Posted October 1, 2008 Report Posted October 1, 2008 Speaking about plagiarism - I wonder how it is this collection of left wing cranks hasn't been sued for stealing the name of the much more respectable international organization of the same name. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
mcqueen625 Posted October 2, 2008 Report Posted October 2, 2008 Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. I did a quick search but didn't see it.Activist group heads to court to stop federal election Last Updated: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 The Canadian Press A political advocacy group is asking the courts to call off the Oct. 14 vote three weeks into the campaign, with tens of millions of dollars already spent on everything from ads and political buttons to ballots and campaign travel. Democracy Watch will be in Federal Court on Thursday to argue that Prime Minister Stephen Harper broke his own law on fixed election dates when he called the vote. The group wants the court to cancel the election, even though its own lawyer acknowledged the action is a long shot. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2...tion-court.html I suppose someone has to give the morons who make up the judiciary in this country something to do. Being a lawyer does not make one smart. All it proves is that you are good and memorizing . Quote
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