Harper's plagiarized 2003 Iraq speech

[myata]

According to CBC CBC: Harper speech on Iraq, in 2003 Mr Harper presented in the Parliament a speech "calling for Canadian troops to be deployed to Iraq."

Excerpt from Harper's speech:

According to the Hansard transcripts, Harper said:

"As the possession of weapons of mass destruction spreads, the danger of such weapons coming into the hands of terrorist groups will multiply, particularly given in this case the shameless association of Iraq with rogue non-state organizations. That is the ultimate nightmare which the world must take decisive and effective steps to prevent. Possession of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons by terrorists would constitute a direct, undeniable and lethal threat to the world, including to Canada and its people."

And another, two days prior speech, by Australia (then) PM John Howard:

"As the possession of weapons of mass destruction spreads, so the danger of such weapons coming into the hands of terrorist groups will multiply. That is the ultimate nightmare which the world must take decisive and effective steps to prevent. Possession of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons by terrorists would constitute a direct, undeniable and lethal threat to Australia and its people."

Common parts in the two excerpts are highlighted (m.). The rate of interlap between the two is approximately 80% (m.).

Which calls for the following questions:

1) What is the percentage of (in)dependency in Harper's foreign policy?

2) Where will Canada find itself in case of another liberating adventure by one of its close allies / associates, if Harper's government were happen to be in power at the time?

Edited September 30, 2008 by myata

[blueblood]

According to CBC CBC: Harper speech on Iraq, in 2003 Mr Harper presented in the Parliament a speech "calling for Canadian troops to be deployed to Iraq."

Excerpt from Harper's speech:

And another, two days prior speech, by Australia (then) PM John Howard:

Common parts in the two excerpts are highlighted (m.). The rate of interlap between the two is approximately 80% (m.).

Which calls for the following questions:

1) What is the percentage of (in)dependency in Harper's foreign policy?

2) Where will Canada find itself in case of another liberating adventure by one of its close allies / associates, if Harper's government were happen to be in power at the time?

Hahahahahaha toasters and tinfoil for everybody.

Better stock up, a harper majority is on the horizon.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hahahahahaha toasters and tinfoil for everybody.

Better stock up, a harper majority is on the horizon.

Indeed..refried beans from a panicked Liberal?

Gee...I wonder what PM Harper would do if Russia invaded the UK?

[independent]

Indeed..refried beans from a panicked Liberal?

Gee...I wonder what PM Harper would do if Russia invaded the UK?

Not funny. I have a son in the Military and sending young people to war is not a joke.

[bush_cheney2004]

Not funny. I have a son in the Military and sending young people to war is not a joke.

Which "Military"? Is it funnier to send "old people"?

[myata]

Hahahahahaha toasters and tinfoil for everybody.

Better stock up, a harper majority is on the horizon.

As said, just the right attitute to vote Harpers's CPC. March on, no questions asked, no thinking needed.

To B.-C.:

That's like, when Iraq attacked the US (with WMD) and Britain (with ballistic missiles)?

[kengs333]

Hahahahahaha toasters and tinfoil for everybody.

Better stock up, a harper majority is on the horizon.

Well, if Harper ever mentions tinfoil in one of his speeches, we'll know who he's plagerizing from...

Do you actually behave like this in public?

I pity your wife, if you're married... or your girlfriend/boyfriend...

[bush_cheney2004]

To B.-C.:

That's like, when Iraq attacked the US (with WMD) and Britain (with ballistic missiles)?

No....like when Haiti attacked Mexico and Canada invaded the place!

[kengs333]

According to CBC CBC: Harper speech on Iraq, in 2003 Mr Harper presented in the Parliament a speech "calling for Canadian troops to be deployed to Iraq."

Excerpt from Harper's speech:

And another, two days prior speech, by Australia (then) PM John Howard:

Common parts in the two excerpts are highlighted (m.). The rate of interlap between the two is approximately 80% (m.).

Which calls for the following questions:

1) What is the percentage of (in)dependency in Harper's foreign policy?

2) Where will Canada find itself in case of another liberating adventure by one of its close allies / associates, if Harper's government were happen to be in power at the time?

It's just another example of how pathetic Harper is. The thing that gets me is that he's so blatant about his lies and deceptions.

[blueblood]

As said, just the right attitute to vote Harpers's CPC. March on, no questions asked, no thinking needed.

To B.-C.:

That's like, when Iraq attacked the US (with WMD) and Britain (with ballistic missiles)?

I asked questions, I thought, I think Jack Layton's foreign policy is a joke and Harper's is better. I just happen not to have an attitude of defeat and appeasement unlike some people (NDP)

[myata]

I asked questions, I thought, I think Jack Layton's foreign policy is a joke and Harper's is better. I just happen not to have an attitude of defeat and appeasement unlike some people (NDP)

Does that attitute include embarking on unilateral, self proclaimed pseudo liberation missions on the other end of the world? I hope Harper is asked this question in the debates, and he's as sincere as yourself (kudos for "openness" btw - something that comes with a lot of squeak and pain from this supposedly uber transparent bunch).

[Shakeyhands]

how can this not cause ANY concern for you blueblood? do you not see this as an issue worthy of debate? If not, why?

[blueblood]

Does that attitute include embarking on unilateral, self proclaimed pseudo liberation missions on the other end of the world? I hope Harper is asked this question in the debates, and he's as sincere as yourself (kudos for "openness" btw - something that comes with a lot of squeak and pain from this supposedly uber transparent bunch).

Except Harper is already on a liberation mission at the other end of the world, Canada has partaken in it's fair share of them and has an excellent record. Should we have had your attitude at World War 2? It must be a pain in the ass that a lot of people in this country are going to be voting for a party that is not run by cowards.

@ Shakeyhands

This issue has been debated enough, we already know everybody's stance on it and nobody is going to cave. The Canadian public clearly knows what's going on as far as A-Stan goes. They already know what Harper's foreign policy is, they might not all agree with it, but it's one vote to a customer. There are other matters of far more pressing importance to be debating.

[CrazeeEddie]

Except Harper is already on a liberation mission at the other end of the world, Canada has partaken in it's fair share of them and has an excellent record. Should we have had your attitude at World War 2? It must be a pain in the ass that a lot of people in this country are going to be voting for a party that is not run by cowards.

A lot of people already have voted for him. Not MOST Canadians however, which is what irks me

And way to compare A-Stan to WW2, because they are obviously the same situation. Should we also be in Iraq then?

@ Shakeyhands

This issue has been debated enough, we already know everybody's stance on it and nobody is going to cave. The Canadian public clearly knows what's going on as far as A-Stan goes. They already know what Harper's foreign policy is, they might not all agree with it, but it's one vote to a customer. There are other matters of far more pressing importance to be debating.

Yes, the Canadian public does know, and does not want to be involved. I think we can all safely say that the Harper train is very lucky that the left is so split.

And before anyone jumps all over me as a 'Liberal' which by the way is NOT an evil term, I have not yet decided where to place my vote

[PoliticalCitizen]

According to CBC CBC: Harper speech on Iraq, in 2003 Mr Harper presented in the Parliament a speech "calling for Canadian troops to be deployed to Iraq."

Excerpt from Harper's speech:

And another, two days prior speech, by Australia (then) PM John Howard:

Common parts in the two excerpts are highlighted (m.). The rate of interlap between the two is approximately 80% (m.).

Which calls for the following questions:

1) What is the percentage of (in)dependency in Harper's foreign policy?

2) Where will Canada find itself in case of another liberating adventure by one of its close allies / associates, if Harper's government were happen to be in power at the time?

Regardless of the fact that Harper, Howard and Brown are much closer to Homo Sapiens than Bush on the evolutionary ladder they all have to follow the same script.

[jdobbin]

They already know what Harper's foreign policy is, they might not all agree with it, but it's one vote to a customer.

Plagiarism is generally frowned upon. We have seen more than one political leader face a price for it.

Here are the two speeches. Harper obviously plagiarized unless he somehow gave Howard a speech to read in advance of his own address.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/p...o-speeches.aspx

[myata]

And what about independency? In all of these major international events Harper followed Bush's administration step in step:

- Lebanon war

- Kosovo

- Georgia conflict

As it appears, taking cues from somebody else's script is not an isolated episode in Harper's foreign policies. Are we (Canadian public) OK with beign written off as another (not even a major one) voice in the Bush's pack?

[PoliticalCitizen]

And what about independency? In all of these major international events Harper followed Bush's administration step in step:

- Lebanon war

- Kosovo

- Georgia conflict

As it appears, taking cues from somebody else's script is not an isolated episode in Harper's foreign policies. Are we (Canadian public) OK with beign written off as another (not even a major one) voice in the Bush's pack?

Unfortunately we have been, are and will be...

I'm sincerely amazed we didn't go into Iraq - thank Chretien for that

[bush_cheney2004]

....As it appears, taking cues from somebody else's script is not an isolated episode in Harper's foreign policies. Are we (Canadian public) OK with beign written off as another (not even a major one) voice in the Bush's pack?

No, you are OK with being a charter member of NATO and the UN. Or are you proposing that Canada should leave both organizations?

Does this sort of revisionist thinking only come out at election time?

Reprise: What a pathetic lot that would first scream "NO" to invading Iraq only to shrivel back to Bush "victim" status when their "YES" decisions come home to roost.

[Canadian Blue]

And what about independency? In all of these major international events Harper followed Bush's administration step in step:

- Lebanon war

- Kosovo

- Georgia conflict

We were engaged in Kosovo under Chretien, albeit the military was extremely underfunded at the time and had to get support from other nations.

That is unless you're talking about the independence Kosovo recently obtained. But either way I doubt you've even bothered to read up on the three conflicts you mentioned.

[kengs333]

And what about independency? In all of these major international events Harper followed Bush's administration step in step:

- Lebanon war

- Kosovo

- Georgia conflict

As it appears, taking cues from somebody else's script is not an isolated episode in Harper's foreign policies. Are we (Canadian public) OK with beign written off as another (not even a major one) voice in the Bush's pack?

Who says he was following Bush on this one?

[Argus]

Does that attitute include embarking on unilateral, self proclaimed pseudo liberation missions on the other end of the world?

Unilateral? Seems to me there were a lot of people involved there.

But kudos to the liberals for yet again bringing up irrelevancy in an effort at distracting Canadians from issues.

[Argus]

how can this not cause ANY concern for you blueblood? do you not see this as an issue worthy of debate? If not, why?

I'll tell you why. Because no one believes Harper writes his own speeches. He certainly has some input into them, but on the whole, he has writers who do the writing - perhaps with some guidance from him. And in this he is no different from all the other politicians on all sides of the House. Martin didn't write his own speeches, nor Chretien, nor Trudeau. Now in this case, it seems that whomever was doing the writing included some material from John Howard's speech, probably because it was well-done, and they had the same themes and outlook on the subject. One presumes that at that level the writer involved sought permission from the writer of John Howard's material before including it, of course. But even if he was dumb enough not to that reflects badly on him, not on the Prime Minister. Harper doesn't hire his speechwriters, after all.

[capricorn]

Dion keeps reminding us that he is a teacher and proud of his profession. There is mounting proof that his mindset is very much stuck in the academic realm. He said Harper should be "expelled" for plagiarism.

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, a former academic, said “Harper should be expelled” for the plagiarism, adding that the context in which it occurred is “even worse.”

http://www.ottawasun.com/canadavotes/news/...30/6931851.html

In other news, CTV Newsnet has reported a Conservative speech writer has come forward and confessed that he is the one who inserted the plagiarized part into the Harper speech without anyone's knowledge. Needless to say he is now unemployed. No link yet from the internet.

Can't wait for the next installment of Liberal "findings".

EDIT: Details now online.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...SbqxtCJ8yxjD9PQ

Edited September 30, 2008 by capricorn

[bush_cheney2004]

Can't wait for the next installment of Liberal "findings".

Don't hold your breath waiting...apparently it took them 5 YEARS to find this nugget!