Why is Dion not getting through?

[M.Dancer]

No, but I would agree with the statement that the Jewish community has a dispropportionately high amount of influence in politics given its size.

"dispropportionately"?

How is one supposed to construe that statement?

[White Doors]

How about the media doesn't want him to be PM? Hasn't the Jewish community shifted their support to Harper?

wow, am I the only one to see this as anti-semetic?

[Rue]

No, but I would agree with the statement that the Jewish community has a dispropportionately high amount of influence in politics given its size.

Prove it. Provide the objective and corroborated evdience for the above comment.

Your comment is nothing more then a repeat of one of the most ancient anti-semitic stereotypes of Jews.

Do tell us what these magic powers of Jews is.

And do me a favour do something better then we own the banks, control the media, and scurry about Ottawa brainwashing people. I want something other then your subjective preconceptions. Can you do that? Here's a hint, try add up the number of Jewish voters in Canada. Then do us all a favour and provide the networks that allegedly influence the governments, and prove how they actually influence the government.

Right. We have them all under our mind control and bagels and lox.

[Rue]

wow, am I the only one to see this as anti-semetic?

Lol. No its true. Do you realize how much influence I have you fool!!!!!? Do you have any idea how much power there is in feeding a politician a Montreal bagel with lox and cream cheese!!!!!!? I have them all under my control. They will do my bidding. Today Picton and Rimouski, tomorrow the world.

[M.Dancer]

wow, am I the only one to see this as anti-semetic?

No I don't think you are the only one....

[M.Dancer]

Do tell us what these magic powers of Jews is.

Ahbra Khabbala!

[kengs333]

wow, am I the only one to see this as anti-semetic?

It sounds like a factual statement to me. Were there not several high profile defections a year or so ago from the Liberal camp in regards to the Liberal's stance on Israel's little war? And was there not discussion just prior to the election about offending the Jewish community because of the date of the election?

It's certainly not anti-semetic to suggest that the Jewish community has a significant number of people in positions of power/influence given its relatively small size (about 1% of the population), but to suggest that as a result the community has influence on politics is anti-semetic? That's curious.

Also, Izzy Asper used to be a big supporter of the Liberals, and now I believe three of his children sit on the board for Canwest. I'm not sure what their political leaning is, but it's probably not Liberal (anymore). Also, didn't Izzy stop running Gwyn Dyer's column due to his position on the Middle East crisis.

Whatever the case, with Canada's rapidly increasing muslim population, this should eventually change.

[eyeball]

Whatever the case, with Canada's rapidly increasing muslim population, this should eventually change.

Demography will probably rule in Israel one day as well, and no, reality does not have an anti-semitic bias.

[M.Dancer]

Also, didn't Izzy stop running Gwyn Dyer's column due to his position on the Middle East crisis.

Not sure if he ever wrote for Canwest. I know he was a Torstar columnist and Now he wrotes for Transcon.

[kimmy]

This thread certainly took an odd turn...

The Asper family may be Jewish, but they are not "the Jews". "The Jews" are not a monolith, or some kind of cabbalistic organization with a unified voice. if there were one issue where "the Jews" are largely in agreement, I am guessing that it would be firm support for the continued existence of Israel; I don't think the CPC has an exclusive monopoly on it.

Back on topic:

Stephane Dion is the man with the Midas Touch: everything he touches turns to mufflers.

So what's the problem...

His english? It is painful listening to the guy try and express himself; I am not sure if it is because he has a shaky grasp of english, or if it is because he is a lousy communicator. Perhaps a fluent speaker of french could help clarify this: is he as lousy a communicator in French? Is he as awkward at expressing his ideas in his native language?

Jean Chretien spoke english like an a punch-drunk boxer. However, he had no trouble getting his point across. Partly because he had confidence, I suppose, but mostly because he never tried to explain anything very complicated. Anything that couldn't be explained through elementary school level explanations, he didn't explain. Any complicated explanations were left to cabinet ministers, or on the website, or "in de Red Book." Chretien would have never tried to explain the Green Shift. He'd talk about the Green Shift in broad generalizations that made people people feel confident.

Dion's problem is partly that he's trying sell people on things hat are beyond his ability to articulate, beyond his ability to make appealing. He's an egghead, trying to explain a plan people are skeptical of, in a language he doesn't speak, to people who'd by and large be happier hearing Chretien talk in vague generalizations using elementary-school language.

-k

[kengs333]

This thread certainly took an odd turn...

The Asper family may be Jewish, but they are not "the Jews". "The Jews" are not a monolith, or some kind of cabbalistic organization with a unified voice. if there were one issue where "the Jews" are largely in agreement, I am guessing that it would be firm support for the continued existence of Israel; I don't think the CPC has an exclusive monopoly on it.

Thanks, but I never said anything about "the Jews" rather "the Jewish community" and I'm not saying that "the Jews" control the media or that "the Jews" speak with a "unified voice". Whatever the case, political parties view the Jewish community as a key demographic. Why? Because they do have a significant political and economic influence in this society.

[kimmy]

Thanks, but I never said anything about "the Jews" rather "the Jewish community" and I'm not saying that "the Jews" control the media or that "the Jews" speak with a "unified voice". Whatever the case, political parties view the Jewish community as a key demographic. Why? Because they do have a significant political and economic influence in this society.

I was referring to the comments made by Ontario Loyalist, who certainly did seem to be suggesting "the Jews" are some sort of unified entity.

-k

[kengs333]

I was referring to the comments made by Ontario Loyalist, who certainly did seem to be suggesting "the Jews" are some sort of unified entity.

-k

That's not the impression I get.

[August1991]

So, is Dion now getting through? Why?