McCain picks woman for VP slot

[jefferiah]

Well that's revisionist history. It was "your" camp that was touting her "executive experience" which, upon examination, proved very thin gruel indeed.

In response to the assertion she had none . Thin gruel compared to what? A person who thinks so highly of himself he writes two memoirs before he has even done anything.

[Stephen Best]

An example of the well-thought out arguments one hears from the Left towards anyone who disagrees with them.

Do you actually understand what a "well-thought argument" is? Because what you've just written isn't one. It's neither well thought out nor an argument. It's an insult. Just for the sake of argument to be pedantic.

[Black Dog]

August:

Second, do you leftists understand how derogatory the term "community organizer" is in the broader world?

If you're talking about "community organizer" as codeword for "uppity Negro" I get it. Otherwise I can';t for the life of me imaghine why that would be a term of derision.

Go to Bread n Roses and see how these so-called "feminists" defend another woman.

Are you suggesting women should support Palin simply because she's a woman, regardless of her beliefs and policies? Does anyone believe that?

Any society that restricts choice makes some of its members poorer. A society should only restrict choice after careful thought.

Does this mean anything? Does it have any relevance? No. It's just typical August hot air, which is blowing pretty hard these days, I must say.

[Stephen Best]

In response to the assertion she had none . Thin gruel compared to what? A person who thinks so highly of himself he writes two memoirs before he has even done anything.

If I name one thing that Barack Obama has done--just one thing--will you admit that your assertion that Obama hasn't done anything is not only wrong, but also a blatant, misleading, petty, dishonest, and disingenuous distortion?

[jefferiah]

Another interesting performance we have seen this week, is the theatrical outrage over Palin's decision to bring to light the matter of her daughter's pregnancy. After, temporarily removing their "I have a Crush on Obama " pins, several humans who happen to be female have made appearances on tv telling us how utterly appalled they are over this. They are in a state of absolute shock it seems.

This begs the question, what would these people have been saying had Palin not come out and mentioned her daughter's pregnancy, and the news media did some time later? Call me crazy, but I think it's quite safe to say this would be their "Palin scandal du jour". She hid it from us. The same people complaining about Palin bringing this matter out, would have been even more outraged if she had been silent and "hidden" it.

But, now that I have reached the last section of this post, I am starting to rethink my idea that these people are feigning righteous outrage. After all, they do have one hell of a good reason to be outraged at Sarah Palin as concerns this matter. By doing the completely natural thing and going public with her daughter's pregnancy before someone else does, Sarah Palin has denied them the opportunity for a scandal that would not be quite as feeble.

[jefferiah]

If I name one thing that Barack Obama has done--just one thing--will you admit that your assertion that Obama hasn't done anything is not only wrong, but also a blatant, misleading, petty, dishonest, and disingenuous distortion?

If I name one thing Sarah Palin has done will you shut your yap about her.

[jefferiah]

Do you actually understand what a "well-thought argument" is? Because what you've just written isn't one. It's neither well thought out nor an argument. It's an insult. Just for the sake of argument to be pedantic.

Once again, Stephen Best displays the how the Left can dish it out but can't take it. My calling her argument meaningless apparently is a bigger insult than her calling me an ignoramus.

[Guest American Woman]

QUOTE=American Woman: Just curious. Do you enjoy being an ignoramus?

An example of the well-thought out arguments one hears from the Left towards anyone who disagrees with them.

What it is is an example of a question from me, not "the Left," and not because you disagree with me, but because your "I am terribly sorry for lacking respect of your messiah" response to mine was totally ignorant. When you can post something intelligent, get back to me, and I'll give you a "well thought out argument," same as I do others who don't agree with me but don't make "ignoramus" comments in response to mine. So in other words, my question wasn't directed "towards anyone who disagrees with me," you were singled out for your ignorance.

So back to the question. Do you enjoy being an ignoramus? Inquiring minds want to know. Or do you honestly think referring to Obama as "[my] messiah" is a "well-thought out argument?" Because maybe you aren't an ignoramus; maybe you're just not particularly bright.

Edited September 6, 2008 by American Woman

[Stephen Best]

If I name one thing Sarah Palin has done will you shut your yap about her.

Another well thought out argument? It's you who said that Obama had not done anything. That's what I challenged. I never asserted that Sarah Palin had not done anything. Indeed, even though she is younger than Obama, a biography about her has been written: "Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska's Political Establishment on Its Ear," by Kaylene Johnson.

So, do you want me to name one thing Obama has done so that you can admit your failings? Or are you never wrong?

[Stephen Best]

My calling her argument meaningless apparently is a bigger insult than her calling me an ignoramus.

Are you not an ignoramus? You said Obama had not done anything. Such a false assertion is one an ignoramus might make. Don't you agree?

[bush_cheney2004]

So back to the question. Do you enjoy being an ignoramus? Inquiring minds want to know. Or do you honestly think referring to Obama as "my messiah" is a "well-thought out argument?" Because maybe you aren't an ignoramus; maybe you're just not particularly bright.

Oh Christ.....not only is it a well thought out argument, it is politically effective. So much so, thet Jon Stewart scored big laughs by saying that Obama went to the Middle East to find his "manger". Funnier still was Stewart's lampooning of Obama's "Jesus" factor:

http://www.bluecarp.com/2008/08/even-jon-s...n-of-obama.html

[bush_cheney2004]

Are you not an ignoramus? You said Obama had not done anything. Such a false assertion is one an ignoramus might make. Don't you agree?

Anybody who disagrees with AW is an "ignoramus"....I have been so honored many times. Ignoramuses or Ignorami of the world unite!

[jefferiah]

Another well thought out argument? It's you who said that Obama had not done anything. That's what I challenged. I never asserted that Sarah Palin had not done anything. Indeed, even though she is younger than Obama, a biography about her has been written: "Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska's Political Establishment on Its Ear," by Kaylene Johnson.

So, do you want me to name one thing Obama has done so that you can admit your failings? Or are you never wrong?

Thats hardly the point. I am sure Obama has done something. Cocaine comes to mind. Chumming around with unrepentant terrorists also comes to mind. And while McCain spent four years being tortured learning his love for America, Obama spent 20 years in a pew learning how to loathe it.

But at this point I don't think he has done enough to convince me that writing two memoirs is anything more than an over inflated sense of self. What I am getting at is you people spent the entire week charging Sarah Palin was not experienced. When she defends herself you are all outraged and feigning deep insult.

The fact that a biography has been written about her means that someone else thinks she was valuable enough to write home about. Barack wrote an two autobiographies which means he thinks he is something to write home about.

Edited September 6, 2008 by jefferiah

[kimmy]

More of the claims made against Palin are also coming unravelled:

"Families with special needs children will have a friend and advocate in the White House? Yeah, right! She slashed funding for special needs education!"

She substantially increased funding for special needs education:

Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul of Alaska’s school funding system that supporters predict will provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving students with disabilities.

(...)

A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/04/...recaps.h27.html

"She says she supports her daughter, but she slashed funding to support pregnant teens in Alaska!"

Covenant House, the organization she's accused of slashing funds to, received a threefold increase in funding from Palin:

In Alaska, the governor is allowed to reduce spending allocations in the service of sound management and fiscal accountability. To prove his contention that Palin slashed funds for teen mothers, Kane produced the Alaska 2008 budget with Sarah Palin’s line by line adjustments. It is true that lawmakers allocated 5 million to Covenant House Alaska and that Mrs. Palin cut that allocation to 3.9 million dollars. However, what is misleading about the Post headline is that the allocation of 3.9 million is three times more than Covenant House Alaska received from government grants in 2007. According to records on the Covenant House Alaska website, the organization received just over 1.3 million dollars from grants in 2007 and nearly 1.2 million in 2006. Even with the reductions, Governor Palin signed a budget which provided three times more funds than the organization received in 2007.

http://wthrockmorton.com/2008/09/03/sarah-palin-did-not-slash-funds-for-teen-mothers/

"Maybe her daughter wouldn't be pregnant if she didn't ban sex education from Alaska schools!"

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau.

(...)

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.

(...)

Palin's statements date to her 2006 gubernatorial run. In July of that year, she completed a candidate questionnaire that asked, would she support funding for abstinence-until-marriage programs instead of "explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?"

Palin wrote, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."

But in August of that year, Palin was asked during a KTOO radio debate if "explicit" programs include those that discuss condoms. Palin said no and called discussions of condoms "relatively benign."

"Explicit means explicit," she said. "No, I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something I would support also."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na...0,3119305.story

-k

[Guest American Woman]

Anybody who disagrees with AW is an "ignoramus"....I have been so honored many times. Ignoramuses or Ignorami of the world unite!

I'm sure you'd like to believe I think everyone who doesn't agree with me is an ignoramus, but it's not true. In other words, you've been singled out too. There are people who disagree with me/I disagree with that I totally enjoy discussing issues with. That's because not everyone who disagrees with me is an ignoramus.

So instead of making false accusations, try saying something intelligent. Or barring any inabilities on your part to do that, try saying something that's true.

[jefferiah]

Anybody who disagrees with AW is an "ignoramus"....I have been so honored many times. Ignoramuses or Ignorami of the world unite!

Which brings to light another tactic they use!

First they make a blatant insult. Instead of whining, we point out that an insult does not consititute an argument. And after we have so defended ourselves, and thrown in a little barb of our own, for good measure, they immediately become victims and whine.

[bush_cheney2004]

Which brings to light another tactic they use!

First they make a blatant insult. Instead of whining, we point out that an insult does not consititute an argument. And after we have so defended ourselves, and thrown in a little barb of our own, for good measure, they immediately become victims and whine.

Hey, I can play down and dirty with the worst of them if they wish, but I don't know why they get so defensive about legitimate political criticism, as if their messiah cannot be assailed just like any other candidate or office holder.

Your tack on this is spot on, and totally consistent with long running satire of Barack Obama in the USA. They love to dish it out, but really don't like to take it.

"Ignorant" and "ignoramus" are the tools of the self annointed "elite".

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm sure you'd like to believe I think everyone who doesn't agree with me is an ignoramus, but it's not true. In other words, you've been singled out too. There are people who disagree with me/I disagree with that I totally enjoy discussing issues with. That's because not everyone who disagrees with me is an ignoramus.

No, they are also "stupid", "uninformed", and "illiterate". Thanks for reminding me of your rich vocabularly for insulting other members.

So instead of making false accusations, try saying something intelligent. Or barring any inabilities on your part to do that, try saying something that's true.

....oh, and we're not intelligent either....is that a new one, or just equivalent to calling us "stupid"?

[Guest American Woman]

Which brings to light another tactic they use!

First they make a blatant insult. Instead of whining, we point out that an insult does not consititute an argument. And after we have so defended ourselves, and thrown in a little barb of our own, for good measure, they immediately become victims and whine.

Thanks for answering my question for me. I thought you were just an ignoramus, and you've proved it. Now I know I don't have to waste my time making "well thought out posts" to you in the future.

So carry on. And while you're at it, make sure you accuse people who don't agree with you of whining a bajillion more times. You're doing great, I'm sure you've racked up an impressive number of such posts yourself, but you have a long way to go to catch up with your buddy .....

Have a nice day.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Have a nice day.

...and as usual...slinks away.

[Stephen Best]

Thats hardly the point. I am sure Obama has done something. Cocaine comes to mind. Chumming around with unrepentant terrorists also comes to mind. And while McCain spent four years being tortured learning his love for America, Obama spent 20 years in a pew learning how to loathe it.

But at this point I don't think he has done enough to convince me that writing two memoirs is anything more than an over inflated sense of self. What I am getting at is you people spent the entire week charging Sarah Palin was not experienced. When she defends herself you are all outraged and feigning deep insult.

The fact that a biography has been written about her means that someone else thinks she was valuable enough to write home about. Barack wrote an two autobiographies which means he thinks he is something to write home about.

That is the point. So when you said Obama hadn't done anything, you were wrong? Is that correct? Perhaps substituting a little precision for bombast and falsehoods would be helpful.

So with that settled, you play the POW card again (another well thought out argument?). As for John McCain's military record, we can't be sure what happened to him even as a POW because he won't allow his full military records to be released for public review. All we have are his memoirs, which we know contain many discrepancies, even falsehoods. McCain is hiding his true military record for some reason. I suspect it shows he is not fit to be President, and this is war stories are grossly inflated.

You seem to know Obama wrote two memoirs. When you read them (you must have read them to have such negative opinions about them) what was your view about his stories about his years at Harvard?

As for the book about Sarah Palin, I don't think it was a matter of someone thinking she was "valuable enough to write home about" as much as Sarah Palin's not a writer. Obama's a writer and has thought about matters which, it seems, enough people care about to turn his books into best sellers. Perhaps when Sarah Palin learns to speak for herself, she'll have much to share with us too.

[M.Dancer]

Quite funny. Seen before but still funny .

[CANADIEN]

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues," she said during a debate in Juneau.

(...)

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and contraception.

(...)

Palin's statements date to her 2006 gubernatorial run. In July of that year, she completed a candidate questionnaire that asked, would she support funding for abstinence-until-marriage programs instead of "explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?"

Palin wrote, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support."

But in August of that year, Palin was asked during a KTOO radio debate if "explicit" programs include those that discuss condoms. Palin said no and called discussions of condoms "relatively benign."

"Explicit means explicit," she said. "No, I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something I would support also."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na...0,3119305.story

-k

She just convinced me she is a very good politician. She knows the fine political art of being clear and unclear at the same time. I wonder if she will mention the "discussions of condoms are relatively benign" when talking to her Evangelical supporters.

[CANADIEN]

Obama spent 20 years in a pew learning how to loathe it.

He must has been a very bad student then, based on his memoirs and his speeches.

This while McCain and Palin enjoy the kudos of all those right-wing pundits who have spent their entire adult life loathing Americans.

[Stephen Best]

....oh, and we're not intelligent either....

The first step is admitting you have a problem. Well done.