Conservatives Panic?

[Wild Bill]

Why don't you say that to M. Dancer and Bush/Cheney

We all could stand to be reminded, myself included.

If this board ever becomes as rude and vile as "rubble.ca" then I'm outta here!

[Stephen Best]

Stephen, you might want to tone down the sarcasm. You're starting to sound like a refugee from "rubble.ca".

Have you seen the thread about "Leftwing Folks" are "bullies"?

Will happily tone it down. Will welcome it. And will you in turn, before suggesting I'm in error about something factual that I post have the courtesy to, at the very least, actually check out those facts?

[Wild Bill]

Will happily tone it down. Will welcome it. And will you in turn, before suggesting I'm in error about something factual that I post have the courtesy to, at the very least, actually check out those facts?

Am I missing something here? My understanding of a debate is that people posit their premises and then defend them against others who disagree. If you want to change someone's mind then you are obligated to defend your own premise. They are under no obligation to do it for you.

If I believe that you have stated something that is untrue, based upon my own learning and experience, am I supposed to investigate your proof for you?

Are you saying that I have no right to question your premises?

Meanwhile, you imply that I have been doing this a lot. I really didn't think I had! Still, if I'm supposed to swallow every point you make and spend my own time doing research on YOUR points before I can differ then why should I or anyone debate with you?

Frankly Stephen, it all seems more than just a fixed mindset. It seems kinda righteous, at least to me. If my responses offend you that much then perhaps you should go to the CP control panel and put me on your "ignore" list. I would understand. I have a few people on my own list myself.

Actually, I suspect that it is not me specifically that offends you. There is a tendency to confuse various posters on a board and think that you are actually arguing with only one entity. So when one person gets you upset you can get feisty with someone else.

If it IS me specifically then I apologize! Still, don't expect me to accept your word as gospel and spend my time on research before daring to raise a quibble. Particularly when many of the topics on this board cover a wide spectrum of opinion and cannot be definitely considered as a truth or untruth, at least by those with an open mind.

I will try to keep being polite but if you have a problem with me then again, you can choose to put me on "ignore". I would understand. If you feel more strongly about it then you can raise your objections with a moderator and I would abide by their decision.

[normanchateau]

From today's Vancouver Sun:

With Prime Minister Stephen Harper trying to find an excuse to call an election before the "fixed" election date, it is a good time to revisit the words of Conservative MP Jay Hill during the debate on the bill to set those fixed dates:

"If a prime minister went against the spirit of this legislation and purely called an election because he or she felt the opportunity was ripe, that the situation for his or her particular political party was very advantageous to go to the polls, I suspect that person would quite likely be punished by the Canadian people in the subsequent election campaign."

We can only hope.

Jean-Paul Faubert

Vancouver

[Wild Bill]

From today's Vancouver Sun:

With Prime Minister Stephen Harper trying to find an excuse to call an election before the "fixed" election date, it is a good time to revisit the words of Conservative MP Jay Hill during the debate on the bill to set those fixed dates:

"If a prime minister went against the spirit of this legislation and purely called an election because he or she felt the opportunity was ripe, that the situation for his or her particular political party was very advantageous to go to the polls, I suspect that person would quite likely be punished by the Canadian people in the subsequent election campaign."

We can only hope.

Jean-Paul Faubert

Vancouver

Exactly! It doesn't matter a whit what we political junkies think here on this forum. It only matters what the entire electorate thinks and in what percentages.

[jdobbin]

Exactly! It doesn't matter a whit what we political junkies think here on this forum. It only matters what the entire electorate thinks and in what percentages.

It is why the Opposition is framing the issue as a broken promise.

[Ontario Loyalist]

I've seen more Conservative campaign ads in the last couple of days than I've seen during entire elections. Wonder what they're gonna call this election funding scandal...

[Alta4ever]

I've seen more Conservative campaign ads in the last couple of days than I've seen during entire elections. Wonder what they're gonna call this election funding scandal...

Its not election funding until the writ is dropped

[Alta4ever]

I've seen more Conservative campaign ads in the last couple of days than I've seen during entire elections. Wonder what they're gonna call this election funding scandal...

Its not election funding until the writ is dropped

[Ontario Loyalist]

Its not election funding until the writ is dropped

That, in part, is the point...

[DrGreenthumb]

I've seen more Conservative campaign ads in the last couple of days than I've seen during entire elections. Wonder what they're gonna call this election funding scandal...

The cons have been running attack ads constantly since the last election that they won using shady financing practices. I am so sick of hearing the radio and tv ads attacking Dion that I wanna puke every time they come on. It should be illegal to run campaign ads like this outside of an election campaign. Its just those people with a lot of wealth(conservatives) that can afford to campaign 365 days a year. They are just trying to fool the rest of us into thinking that it is in our best interest to vote for their party even though voting conservative really only benefits the wealthiest Canadians, at great cost to the rest of us.

[Alta4ever]

The cons have been running attack ads constantly since the last election that they won using shady financing practices. I am so sick of hearing the radio and tv ads attacking Dion that I wanna puke every time they come on. It should be illegal to run campaign ads like this outside of an election campaign. Its just those people with a lot of wealth(conservatives) that can afford to campaign 365 days a year. They are just trying to fool the rest of us into thinking that it is in our best interest to vote for their party even though voting conservative really only benefits the wealthiest Canadians, at great cost to the rest of us.

Gee I wonder why they can afford it? Maybe it's because they support the middle class, and the middle class are sending them lots of donations. They aren't vested interests or vocal interests like the rest of the Canadian political parties that use to rely on donations from corporate canada, big labour, or fringe radical enviromental groups.

[DrGreenthumb]

Gee I wonder why they can afford it? Maybe it's because they support the middle class, and the middle class are sending them lots of donations. They aren't vested interests or vocal interests like the rest of the Canadian political parties that use to rely on donations from corporate canada, big labour, or fringe radical enviromental groups.

If the conservatives have fooled the middle class into believing that they represent their interests that is very sad for the middle class who will be hurt the most by a conservative government. The middle class does not benefit from conservative policies. The conservatives will jail their kids for smoking pot, the same pot that they themselves smoked when they were teens. They will give huge tax breaks to gas/oil companies and other large corporations and the middle class will have to make up the difference. Just like the GST cut, all conservative tax cuts are designed to help the wealthiest Canadians. The folks buying yachts,second homes, and Motor homes will appreciate the cuts and save a lot more than ordinary Canadians who don't have the kind of disposable income to afford conservative luxuries.

[capricorn]

It should be illegal to run campaign ads like this outside of an election campaign. Its just those people with a lot of wealth(conservatives) that can afford to campaign 365 days a year.

Dr, don't forget the wealth of the Conservatives comes from many small donations from many of their supporters. The days of massive donations from cronies and big business are over, thanks to Jean Chretien who brought in the new legislation that sets limits on political donations.

They are just trying to fool the rest of us into thinking that it is in our best interest to vote for their party even though voting conservative really only benefits the wealthiest Canadians, at great cost to the rest of us.

Nobody is trying to fool anybody. You either agree or you don't agree with the message in the ad. So you feel you are being fooled that's a good sign as it shows you're thinking about things. Some people just don't care and that's sad.

[M.Dancer]

Just like the GST cut, all conservative tax cuts are designed to help the wealthiest Canadians. The folks buying yachts, second homes, and Motor homes will appreciate the cuts and save a lot more than ordinary Canadians who don't have the kind of disposable income to afford conservative luxuries.

Funny though, everyone still benefits from the cut....even the canadians who make yachts, build homes.....

[Alta4ever]

If the conservatives have fooled the middle class into believing that they represent their interests that is very sad for the middle class who will be hurt the most by a conservative government. The middle class does not benefit from conservative policies. The conservatives will jail their kids for smoking pot, the same pot that they themselves smoked when they were teens. They will give huge tax breaks to gas/oil companies and other large corporations and the middle class will have to make up the difference. Just like the GST cut, all conservative tax cuts are designed to help the wealthiest Canadians. The folks buying yachts,second homes, and Motor homes will appreciate the cuts and save a lot more than ordinary Canadians who don't have the kind of disposable income to afford conservative luxuries.

The CPC is the only party to have a policy book made from its grass roots, its a bottom up approach, its no wonder they have the support of the middle class. Please tell me why the large corps like power corp supporty the libs? Both the Irvings and the Demaries support the libs I wonder just how many more of the wealthy elite don't support the CPC.

As for tax cuts how does an income tax cut help low income, when they pay very little if no income tax anyway. At least harper could give them a two precent cut off all of their purchases.

You seem a little out of touch.

[Smallc]

That, in part, is the point...

Yes, I'm not sure why such a thing is allowed from any party. Election advertising should happen only during elections.

Edited September 2, 2008 by Smallc

[Topaz]

True or False... when the progressive conservatives were beaten down by the voters, they had little money left and so did most of Harper party money come from the Reformers when he brought the parties together?

[normanchateau]

Gee I wonder why they can afford it? Maybe it's because they support the middle class, and the middle class are sending them lots of donations.

Who do you suppose the wealthy are sending donations to?

[M.Dancer]

True or False... when the progressive conservatives were beaten down by the voters, they had little money left and so did most of Harper party money come from the Reformers when he brought the parties together?

orange?

[capricorn]

Who do you suppose the wealthy are sending donations to?

Their offshore bank accounts?

[DrGreenthumb]

Their offshore bank accounts?

Whose? Harper's? I don't doubt that in the least!

[normanchateau]

Their offshore bank accounts?

What political party do you suppose the wealthy are donating to ?

[capricorn]

What political party do you suppose the wealthy are donating to ?

I haven't got a clue. Do you?

[normanchateau]

and the middle class are sending them lots of donations.

And what political party do you suppose the wealthy are donating to?