How Immigration Policy has Created a "Cultureless" Canada

Argus · August 21, 2008

Every person on earth wants to enjoy a decent life where they have the opportunity to provide their children with a stable healthy lifestyle and opportunities. So they leave their country (often grudgingly) and embark on a journey to Canada or the United States, so that they can accomplish this. They don't come to Canada because they are in awe of hockey players or because they love Tim Hortons (the closest thing to culture I can see most days around here!).
Their loyalty to their home country is nothing to get so angry about.

It's never been difficult to understand why people from crappy third-world countries want to come here. Almost all of them want to come here. However, I dont' see how this is in the best interests of hte people already living here. As has been pointed out, immigrants bring problems, and if the problems outweigh the benefits then we need to reconsider what we're doing.

As for foreign loyalties. I see mounties carrying machineguns walking around embassies in Ottawa - because of immigrants with foreign loyalties. I see metal detectors in courts - because of immigrants and their foreign arguments. Taking a plane anywhere takes much longer now becuase of intensified screening - because of immigrants bringing their foreign hates here. And half the criminals in almost every major city appear to be either immigrants or the spawn of immigrants. These are not imagined problems.

As far as culture goes, a culture does not consist of playing musical instruments or wearing funny hats. It's the shared values and beliefs of a people. And when you bring in enough foreigners who do not share those values and beleifs you water down, dillute, and ultimately change the culture.

drb82 · August 21, 2008

Statistically speaking white Canadians are far more likely to commit a crime than an immigrant. When you read the paper you don't see a bunch of Pakistani people selling drugs or being investigated for serial rape. It's little surprise that most of the crime commited in this country is by people born in Canada. In fact our jails are filled with native people who were born and raised in Canada, but thats more of a socioeconomic problem than a race one. Therefore I don't see how you can blame immigrants for the increased security measures being taken. You can't ostracize an entire race just because a small minority of them have extremist views and practice terrorism. After Timothy McVeigh commited an act of terrorism I bet you didn't walk around afraid of white people. If you wan't to blame someone because the lines at the airport take forever these days, blame the conservative politicans fear mongering strategy and the media outlets that distribute it. Crime is down in this country. The world if safer than its been in a long time. The only thing thats increased is its presentation.

jbg · August 21, 2008

Therefore I don't see how you can blame immigrants for the increased security measures being taken. You can't ostracize an entire race just because a small minority of them have extremist views and practice terrorism.... If you wan't (sic) to blame someone because the lines at the airport take forever these days, blame the conservative politicans fear mongering strategy and the media outlets that distribute it.

Immigrants that insist on not integrating can and should be surveilled and ostracized. If an immigrant comes to Canada (or the US for that matter) they should join the local culture, learn the language, and otherwise become loyal citizens. Otherwise they are worse than useless.

After Timothy McVeigh commited an act of terrorism I bet you didn't walk around afraid of white people.

His partner, Nichols, apparently received his training from Muslim Phillipine extremists. In any event the Christian "militias" were indeed watched rather carefully during the months and years after the Oklahoma City attacks.

drb82 · August 22, 2008

Immigrants that insist on not integrating can and should be surveilled and ostracized. If an immigrant comes to Canada (or the US for that matter) they should join the local culture, learn the language, and otherwise become loyal citizens. Otherwise they are worse than useless.

Please, most canadians can't even speak french (which is one of our national languages). So spare me the language argument. I'd be surprised if you were fluent in both english and french.

jbg · August 22, 2008

Please, most canadians can't even speak french (which is one of our national languages). So spare me the language argument. I'd be surprised if you were fluent in both english and french.

First off, I am not a Canadian. Second. I don't speak either Canadian or French. Third, my ancestors made it their first order of business to learn English and Americanize themselves.

You spare me.

DogOnPorch · August 22, 2008

I think it was Mark Steyn who said in one of his blurbs that the core values of Western Culture are now that we have no core values. When you believe in everything (multiculturalism) it's a way of saying you believe in nothing.

----------------------

It's a Daisy.

Argus · August 22, 2008

Please, most canadians can't even speak french (which is one of our national languages). So spare me the language argument. I'd be surprised if you were fluent in both english and french.

Pretty much every area has a dominant language, and in that area the minority will learn the language fairly well. Anglophone Quebecers are fluent in French, for the most part, esp the young ones, and Francophones in Ontario will all speak English quite well.

But too many "skilled" immigrants wind up as taxi drivers because nobody can understand their English - or French.

Argus · August 22, 2008

Statistically speaking white Canadians are far more likely to commit a crime than an immigrant.

Statistically speaking, huh? Only problem with that is our police forces don't keep crime statistics based on race, so how on earth would you know that?

Unless, of course, you're assuming more crime would be commited by whites because, well, there are more whites.

When you read the paper you don't see a bunch of Pakistani people selling drugs or being investigated for serial rape.

Uh, actually, yes you do.

Therefore I don't see how you can blame immigrants for the increased security measures being taken.

Why? The mounties with machine guns are a direct result of attacks on the Turkish embassy by Armenian immigrants. The metal detectors in courts are a direct result of shootings there by Sikhs, and the long waits at airports are a direct result of the bombing of Air India by Sikhs and the current threat from Muslims. The RCMP itself says just over half of all street gang members in Ottawa are immigrants - and this was in an Ottawa newspaper. I have no doubt the situation is the same or worse in Toronto and Vancouver, which have a higher proportion of immigrants.

madmax · August 22, 2008

Now compare all this with the case of my inlaws who came from Italy in 1950. A man and his wife who BOTH were young and immediately started working! They worked hard and have done well.
I'm proud of them! THAT"S the kind of immigrant Canada has always needed!

I have seen many Italians Work hard. I also have met many that have been here for decades and haven't learned English. Which is what some of this thread alludes to. They still worked hard, if that is all that is required to be a "Canadian". And IIRC Italians were not welcome into this country by the vast majority of "native" born Canadians. Lots of derogatory terms come to mind.

I see nothing has changed with peoples opinions.

I must say, that I was taken aback seeing women in Burkas in Niagara Falls.

Wild Bill · August 22, 2008

I have seen many Italians Work hard. I also have met many that have been here for decades and haven't learned English. Which is what some of this thread alludes to. They still worked hard, if that is all that is required to be a "Canadian". And IIRC Italians were not welcome into this country by the vast majority of "native" born Canadians. Lots of derogatory terms come to mind.
I see nothing has changed with peoples opinions.

I must say, that I was taken aback seeing women in Burkas in Niagara Falls.

Did you know that the burka custom is only a decade or two old? It is no more a heritage thing than a tie-dyed tshirt!

Great tool to irritate the "great european satans", though.

Argus · August 23, 2008

I have seen many Italians Work hard. I also have met many that have been here for decades and haven't learned English. Which is what some of this thread alludes to. They still worked hard, if that is all that is required to be a "Canadian". And IIRC Italians were not welcome into this country by the vast majority of "native" born Canadians. Lots of derogatory terms come to mind.
I see nothing has changed with peoples opinions.

Were the welfare rolls full of Italians? Seems to me Italians did come and work hard. Even if they had no real education then they got involved in construction. Can someone tell me why, with a severe shortage of construction workers, and the jobs paying so well, immigrants seem to prefer to mop floors or drive taxis or go on welfare? For example, Ottawa really needs construction workers. I've been around to a bunch of sites the last month with my brother, who's an inspector, and I have yet to see a single non-white face among the construction workers. On the other hand, the public housing project a couple of miles from my place is filled with healthy young men with dark complexions getting involved with street gangs.

Ontario Loyalist · August 23, 2008

Now compare all this with the case of my inlaws who came from Italy in 1950. A man and his wife who BOTH were young and immediately started working! They worked hard and have done well.

That breed of immigrant is long gone, and even if they did exist, the kind of jobs that they would be filling are largely gone. Corporations have sent everything over to Asia, and the new jobs that are being created are in the service industry and technology field. McGuinty says that Ontario has 100,000 jobs that can't be filled because there aren't qualified people in this province to fill them. If that's the case, then our educational system and governments are failing us. Moreover, one can't expect a province's workforce to shift rapidly from industry to technology, and for the government to allow industry to be sacrificed while focusing on technology is a big mistake.

Wild Bill · August 23, 2008

That breed of immigrant is long gone, and even if they did exist, the kind of jobs that they would be filling are largely gone. Corporations have sent everything over to Asia, and the new jobs that are being created are in the service industry and technology field. McGuinty says that Ontario has 100,000 jobs that can't be filled because there aren't qualified people in this province to fill them. If that's the case, then our educational system and governments are failing us. Moreover, one can't expect a province's workforce to shift rapidly from industry to technology, and for the government to allow industry to be sacrificed while focusing on technology is a big mistake.

Well, the construction industry still isn't all that high tech. You still need back hoes and you still need saws and hammers.

I wonder if perhaps the licensing of trades might be part of the problem. It seems today that not only do you have to have a six month course and a certificate before you can be licensed to wipe your own butt but if you don't have that certificate then it's assumed you can't possibly know how to do it and could never be trained!

It's becoming a red tape jungle. Things that us older folks used to take for granted to learn on our own as no big deal are now mandatory accredited programs. No certificate to hang drywall or whatever and you may not be allowed to work.

Employs a lot of teachers, though.

My wife has told me many times of how at her work when someone had a computer terminal placed on their desk they immediately demanded the company send them on training course, on full pay of course. I remember with relish how we handled that at a company I worked for in the early 80's. We just came in on a weekend and put ALL the manual paperwork and stuff in a locked room. We installed a terminal on everyone's desk.

When the staff arrived on Monday morning we told them the simple truth: if they couldn't learn the computer then they could no longer do their job, as the old manual system was GONE!

They screamed and they cried but you know, by Friday things were working fine and no one wanted to go back to the old way!

Ontario Loyalist · August 23, 2008

Can someone tell me why, with a severe shortage of construction workers, and the jobs paying so well, immigrants seem to prefer to mop floors or drive taxis or go on welfare? For example, Ottawa really needs construction workers. I've been around to a bunch of sites the last month with my brother, who's an inspector, and I have yet to see a single non-white face among the construction workers. On the other hand, the public housing project a couple of miles from my place is filled with healthy young men with dark complexions getting involved with street gangs.

Skilled labour in this field is somewhat problematic, is it not, because employment is not steady and the work is too dangerous for men who have essentially be pussified by modern society.

Our immigrants are coming from cultures that simply don't have the same work ethic when it comes to physical labour. When our people came to Canada in the 1950s, they were funnelled right into the steel industry and raised families on the income and have retired comfortably. That won't happen anymore. The closest that I've seen to these kinds of immigrants are the Mexicans--they know how to work. It's too bad that we can't instil those kinds of values in our own youth, rather than letting them get corrupted by popular culture.

Moonlight Graham · August 24, 2008

I used to believe in it, but "multiculturalism" is a sham. You can keep your religious beliefs etc., but you must also assimiliate into Canadian culture. Immigrants & new Canadian citizens should be made to learn english or french, not encouraged to keep to their own kind.

This is Canada, not an airport terminal.

There also has to be more Canadian history taught in our schools.

mikedavid00 · August 24, 2008

I also have met many that have been here for decades and haven't learned English.

And they do not pay taxes, and thus do not pay their share into our country and thus are of little benefit and 'not Canadian'. Insular, underground ethnic economies that void taxes are useless to Canada. Totronto is made of these insular economies.

I must say, that I was taken aback seeing women in Burkas in Niagara Falls.

Yes I know. I fealt really emberassed to have Americans come to Niagra falls and see the trash that is in our country. These people cannot function in the workplace and will not pay taxes and are human slaves.

Again, they are human slaves that disgust me and should not be allowed into Canada due to some violation of some international human right. In my own counry we are... no.. THEY are allowing in human slaves that are covered head to toe, fornced upon them by childhood, slaves to men, who simply cannot work or function in society. This is abuse of the worst kind. These womens are human slaves.

Where's all the far left now?? Ah yes.. the husbands make these women go and vote Liberal so the libies like the clothies.

Indeed, the libies like the clothies.

August 24, 2008

QUOTE: I must say, that I was taken aback seeing women in Burkas in Niagara Falls.
I fealt really emberassed to have Americans come to Niagra falls and see the trash that is in our country.

Before you start being "emberassed" by others, this American thinks you should be embarrassed by the "trash" you post on this board. Furthermore, any American who would think "women in Burkas" are "trash" is as loathsome as your post; but I highly doubt if that's what Americans are thinking when they go to NF, and I find your insinuation that they are to be very insulting.

Edited August 24, 2008 by American Woman

Argus · August 24, 2008

Skilled labour in this field is somewhat problematic, is it not, because employment is not steady and the work is too dangerous for men who have essentially be pussified by modern society.

Employment can be pretty damned steady given the shortage, even for only vaguely skilled labour. And while you need training courses for the "skilled jobs", ie electricians, plumbers, welders, you can still walk in off the street with a pair of work boots and start off as a labourer for decent money. True, you get much of the winter off, but the pay is high to make up for that, and you get pogey during the non-working months as well.

Our immigrants are coming from cultures that simply don't have the same work ethic when it comes to physical labour.

In some ways I agree. Yet we see Asian immigrants, including those from the Indian sub-continent, putting in 12 hour days at menial jobs without much complaint, even the Somali taxi drivers are working 12 hour shifts. What the hell - why don't they do construction? It's like they see it as being beneath them. Yet in Canada, a construction worker is above a taxi driver in terms of status - not to mention pay, and certainly not lower than a shopkeeper.

Edited August 24, 2008 by Argus

Ontario Loyalist · August 24, 2008

I wonder if perhaps the licensing of trades might be part of the problem. It seems today that not only do you have to have a six month course and a certificate before you can be licensed to wipe your own butt but if you don't have that certificate then it's assumed you can't possibly know how to do it and could never be trained!
It's becoming a red tape jungle. Things that us older folks used to take for granted to learn on our own as no big deal are now mandatory accredited programs. No certificate to hang drywall or whatever and you may not be allowed to work.

Society just isn't what it used to be. People did take pride in their work and had integrity and a sense honesty that you just don't get anymore because our schools no longer instill these kinds of values, and because there has been a moral decline as well. Mass media and pop-culture has done much to undermine our society, but few people try to do anything about it or really can for that matter because it's too pervasive and powerful.

Ontario Loyalist · August 24, 2008

you can still walk in off the street with a pair of work boots and start off as a labourer for decent money. True, you get much of the winter off, but the pay is high to make up for that, and you get pogey during the non-working months as well.

Where's this? The only way to get this kind of work around here seems to be through a temp agency, and you get little more than minimum wage and no guarantee of work; if you're good, your employer may take you on, but most of the time they still do it through the agency.

mikedavid00 · August 25, 2008

even the Somali taxi drivers are working 12 hour shifts.

Somali taxi drivers socialize 95% of the day and evade taxes.

They do not work.

Modern Immigrants are amongst the laziest people i've ever worked with in my life and I honesty have no clue where this 'hard working' thing came from. Maybe it was from immigrans of yesteryear? I dont know..

They feel 'entitled' to miss work for family events and religous and cultural gatherings. They easily get the most time off work and the best schedules. The will sign up for 24x7 availibility, get hired, and always have excuses on their first day why they need the 8-4 shifts. We all sat there in training (first job) and whitnessed the immigrants getting the best shifts while the canucks got the crapy hours.

They really do put themselves above Canadians. They feel they are more educated and deserve more and the whities are immoral and trash with no culture. They'll show us a thing or two about how you run things properly... in... Tyran! Or Dehli.. Or Islamabad! Yeah they got it right.... we got it all wrong.

I suggest they learn how to type, read the alphabet and use deoderant.

And then book one way plane tickets back home so we can get our country back on course from our 20 year hiatis.

(oh and take your kids, auntie, and grandparents with you).

Melanie_ · August 25, 2008

Somali taxi drivers socialize 95% of the day and evade taxes.
They do not work.

Modern Immigrants are amongst the laziest people i've ever worked with in my life and I honesty have no clue where this 'hard working' thing came from. Maybe it was from immigrans of yesteryear? I dont know..

They feel 'entitled' to miss work for family events and religous and cultural gatherings. They easily get the most time off work and the best schedules. The will sign up for 24x7 availibility, get hired, and always have excuses on their first day why they need the 8-4 shifts. We all sat there in training (first job) and whitnessed the immigrants getting the best shifts while the canucks got the crapy hours.

They really do put themselves above Canadians. They feel they are more educated and deserve more and the whities are immoral and trash with no culture. They'll show us a thing or two about how you run things properly... in... Tyran! Or Dehli.. Or Islamabad! Yeah they got it right.... we got it all wrong.

I suggest they learn how to type, read the alphabet and use deoderant.

And then book one way plane tickets back home so we can get our country back on course from our 20 year hiatis.

(oh and take your kids, auntie, and grandparents with you).

Is English your first language? I suggest that you work on your own skills before criticizing others.

Edited August 25, 2008 by Melanie_

JB Globe · August 25, 2008

JBG,

Care to explain where this "letter" comes from?

Or do I have to tell everyone for you?

Oleg Bach · August 25, 2008

Multi-culturalism equates the destruction of all distinct cultures.

With proud and relentless secularism as the prime goal...most religions are being totally removed incrimentally in Canada by the collective leftists. If you go into any institution and behave in a Christian manner regarding say the schools or the courts - you are systemically attacked and dismantled by the liberal fire ants. My first concern is for the culture that I grew up in during the 50s and 60s - THE SEMI RURAL WHITE RED NECK CULTURE....and damn we are a culture!

If the persons of bureacratic authority are of Muslim, Jewish or Hindu background - we are held in contempt and treated like Godless infidels...even though we are not nominal Christians - are way of life is that of a Christian and we are persecuted. Persecuted by others from other lands - visitors - immigrants - call them what you will . All cultures are based on their ancient traditions and religioin. Forced secularization is the killing of God - the powers that be once they have killed our gods - they will rule - to hell with them - I am not giving up my time honoured belief system for some prozac girly boy non- culture...and that is what we are headed for - a culture of men that are woman but not quite - just compliant corporate things - slaves~ Ancient religion and culture make you strong - they dispise strong = they talentless politicals want weak people because the weak find it easier to rule those they made weak through multi-non culturalizm.