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If you go by flag display, military volunteers etc. it sure is.

Really? You've been throughout the entire North and South counting flags? :blink: And fyi, "military volunteers" doesn't equal "patriotism," nor is patriotism defined by/limited to flag waving and military service.

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Really? You've been throughout the entire North and South counting flags? :blink: And fyi, "military volunteers" doesn't equal "patriotism," nor is patriotism defined by/limited to flag waving and military service.

Nope...now we even include abortions, spitting on veterans, and threats to move to Canada....salute!

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I wouldn't worry to much about Bush/Cheney declaring war on Iran. They would have done it already if they had the resources to invade and occupy Iran -- but they don't! And the talk about a massive bombing run is just that -- talk! The risks of Iran being able to launch missiles against U.S. forces in Iraq keeps pushing that threat forward -- but on the downside, John McCain has never met a war he didn't like. He supported every one of Clinton's foreign ventures, and only got mad at the Bush Administration for being chinsy on number of soldiers sent in to Iraq. He just might be stupid enough to start a war of his own if he became president, even though the reports I've read from military analysts say that even the present force levels in Iraq and Afghanistan can't be sustained much longer......another nice going away present from Bush & Co.

Let's hope you're right... Although I have seen unofficial Russian reports of the biggest Ukrainian cargo planes transporting tanks to Afghanistan... Now we all know tanks are no good in Afghan - but they would be good to move from Afghan into Iran.

All of the bluster from McCain about supporting Georgia won't put boots on the ground over there even he wants to. I'm still bewildered by the way the Neocons have turned this story upside down to portray the Georgians as victims of Russian aggression, when they were the ones who started the war in the first place.

He may not send soldiers but taking Georgia into NATO and re-arming it will definitely bolster their little Hitler's ambitions of re-takin the 2 new countries by force and draw NATO into direct military confrontation with Russia.

As for the Ukraine, it seems that there has been a serious rift between the Orange Revolution nationalists who want to revive the Ukrainian language and push for Westernization efforts that include joining the E.E.C. and NATO. But, almost 20% of the population is Russian, and even a significant number of Ukrainians in the eastern part of the country speak Russian and are against an alliance with Europe and the U.S. It seems that the Orange Revolution governments try to push an aggressive policy of promoting Ukrainian, and discouraging Russian -- taken in context of the Ukrainian vs. Russian disputes, and it's easy to see the situation blowing up into a civil war, especially with the meddling from Europe and the U.S. pushing towards a confrontation between the two groups.

From the wikipedia article:

For a large part of the Soviet era, the number of Ukrainian speakers was declining from generation to generation, and by the mid-1980s, the usage of the Ukrainian language in public life had decreased significantly.[110] Following independence, the government of Ukraine began following a policy of Ukrainisation,[111] to increase the use of Ukrainian, while discouraging Russian, which has been banned or restricted in the media and films.[112][113] This means that Russian-language programmes need a Ukrainian translation or subtitles, but this excludes Russian language media made during the Soviet era.

According to the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Ukrainian is the only state language of the republic. However, the republic's constitution specifically recognises Russian as the language of the majority of its population and guarantees its usage 'in all spheres of public life'. Similarly, the Crimean Tatar language (the language of 12 percent of Ukranians[114]) is guaranteed a special state protection as well as the 'languages of other ethnicities'. Russian speakers constitute an overwhelming majority of the Crimean population (77 percent), with Ukrainian speakers comprising just 10.1 percent, and Crimean Tatar speakers 11.4 percent.[115] But in everyday life the majority of Crimean Tatars and Ukrainians in Crimea use Russian.[116]

A look at the map showing percentages of people who consider Russian their first language shows a divided country that will be split in half if push comes to shove.

Ukraine is as close to Russia as Canada is to USA. Would USA accept Canada becoming a part of a hypotetical "Eurasian" military bloc "to defend it from USA"?

Thankfully the US-sponsored "Orange Revolution" has died out and the artificially installed anti-Russian pro-US Yushchenko's popular support is at a well deserved 6% - and I'm sure they're all in the West of Ukraine.

There will not be a civil war in Ukraine or a Russia-Ukraine war - people have begun to see through the "Orange" lies, especially after it was found that Ukraine sold weapons to Georgia and even supplied them military personnel (Ukrainians downed the Russian planes in Georgia) without putting this through the Parliament first. Oh, and the money from the sale went to... they're still trying to figure that out.

Moderate Russan-friendly Timoshenko's support is at 36%. Pro-Russian Yanukovich is at 25%.

But if US really tries to speed up the process of accepting Ukraine into NATO there may be trouble.

BTW, there was not a referendum in Ukraine on NATO yet, all the talk comes from the President and his office.

The main purpose of my "Doctrine" post was - do the Americans support the pre-emptive attacks of foreign countries and will they vote for someone who supports them?

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But if US really tries to speed up the process of accepting Ukraine into NATO there may be trouble.

Not to worry...while the enemy is at the gates to Russia, they can't find their asses without a flashlight.

The main purpose of my "Doctrine" post was - do the Americans support the pre-emptive attacks of foreign countries and will they vote for someone who supports them?

That would be YES...and YES. Any more questions?

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At least we're kicking back out the military deserters now. We just need a huge sign hanging at the Ambassador Bridge, "No Refuge For Cowards".

Yes, this is a welcomed change from before. Canada should not be safe refuge for deserters who should at least have the balls to face the music while their fellow soldiers deploy and do their duty.

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Yes, this is a welcomed change from before. Canada should not be safe refuge for deserters who should at least have the balls to face the music while their fellow soldiers deploy and do their duty.

Or they could decide to make it a truly free country and allow them to resign.

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Or they could decide to make it a truly free country and allow them to resign.

Enlisted men cannot resign, they signed a contract and took the money. A commissioned officer serves at the pleasure of the president. Both are truly free to have never obligated themselves in the first place.

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Really? You've been throughout the entire North and South counting flags? :blink: And fyi, "military volunteers" doesn't equal "patriotism," nor is patriotism defined by/limited to flag waving and military service.
How do you define it?
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That's OK.....which enemy is at whose gates? And yes, the water is deep.

It's not about Russia... not even McCain is crazy enough to go to war with RF. But what about Iran? Syria? North Korea? Whatever next "Axis of Evil" the war-mongering masterminds behind the administration come up with?

Oh, how about this: "We have to fight in the skies of the enemy, in the waters of the enemy, on enemy territory..."

Who are America's enemies? Countries with oil? Countries neighboring countries with oil? Countries with oil pipelines? Countries where oil pipelines can be built?

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...Who are America's enemies? Countries with oil? Countries neighboring countries with oil? Countries with oil pipelines? Countries where oil pipelines can be built?

Enemies of business are enemies of America. That's why broke-dick nations like Russia are a pain in the ass. Russia is so effed up it can't even have a decent financial crisis like the Americans. :lol:

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Enemies of business are enemies of America. That's why broke-dick nations like Russia are a pain in the ass. Russia is so effed up it can't even have a decent financial crisis like the Americans. :lol:

Au contaire, mon ami...

Russia has the third largest gold / foreign currency reserve in the world. The gas and oil should last for at least another 20 years.

It is actually a safe harbor for investors...

But look around you, BC - big banks falling like houses made of cards... Too greedy? In a rush to exploit the poor? Or, to put it mildily, "opportunistic"?

Oh, what about the 10 Trillion debt (growing at 2.1 Bil / day)?

Are you ejoying the results of your administrations' policies?

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Half a Tril sais it won't collapse in the near future...

What does the dollar have? It already ceased to be the currency of choice in the world - the Euro is much more stable.

You wish.....Canadian dollar is pegged to US. The point is that the ruble did collapse.....the dollar has only been devalued.

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Au contaire, mon ami...

Russia has the third largest gold / foreign currency reserve in the world. The gas and oil should last for at least another 20 years.

It is actually a safe harbor for investors...

But look around you, BC - big banks falling like houses made of cards... Too greedy? In a rush to exploit the poor? Or, to put it mildily, "opportunistic"?

Oh, what about the 10 Trillion debt (growing at 2.1 Bil / day)?

Are you ejoying the results of your administrations' policies?

Then why are you in Canada, not Russia?

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