Bernier Resigns

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

Leaving the documents somewhere is a no no, that was a breach, the rest is personal.

Exactly the reason why he lost his post.

Glad to see someone gets it.

BubberMiley · May 30, 2008

Like the Liberals have EVER shown the slightest interest in or concern for security.
Unlike Bill Graham's boy toys, you mean? Were they all get a thorough going over from the RMCP?

I guess it’s a sure sign of pure partisan blindness when incompetence and corruption are fine so long as the previous party did it too. You can always tell who are the real partisan hacks because they will defend their party no matter what they do. All they have to do is refer to an unsubstantiated story based completely on rumour and innuendo, and use that as their justification for behaving in an even more corrupt and unethical manner. They don’t even need to provide a source for their lies because they have such contempt for the electorate, they feel people are too stupid to pay close enough attention to realize they’re being lied to.

The best part, however, is the electorate isn’t that stupid. And despite Dion being totally out of his league as a party leader, Harper can’t even manage to get support even a few points above the hard-core, true-blue conservative base.

Maybe if the base weren’t so shrill, negative, paranoid, and cynical, they would have a chance. Fortunately for the rest of us, that’s unlikely to happen.

BubberMiley · May 30, 2008

"A conservative at 20 is heartless, a liberal at 60 is brainless." - anonymous

And a partisan hack at any age is a partisan hack.

But if you were literate, you would know it's not anonymous. You provided a poorly punctuated paraphrase of George Bernard Shaw.

But don't worry. This banned guy attributed it to Churchill, who for some reason is the go-to historical figure for getting credit where it isn't due.

Remember Sir Winston Churchill's famous quip: "If you are under 30 and not a liberal--you have no heart. If you are over 30 and not a conservative--you have no brain."

But I think commas would have worked better than dashes.

Edited May 31, 2008 by BubberMiley

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

Leaving the documents somewhere is a no no, that was a breach, the rest is personal.
I too would like to know exactly what these 'close relations' are, no one seems to know or be able to be more specific, so until there's is some proof she had illegal involvement etc. it's all drive by smears.

And the government doesn't have the slightest inclination to find out despite former RCMP and CSIS officials saying that it is indeed a legitimate concern.

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

Note she has no charges or convinctions.
What you have is people dragging the name of a lady through the mud, for nothing but political gain.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

As mentioned, the National Post ran her picture on the front pages. Guess sex sells for them.

It doesn't matter if she has never been charged. She hasn't been vetted either and Harper didn't care one white to find out if she posed a security concern. The Tories should be ashamed of themselves.

Topaz · May 30, 2008

I think you have to much time on your hands.
Its got to be a scary scary world for conspiracy theorists.

You know that what the US Cons kept telling the public over 9/11 and the Iraq war and now the press secretary is backing up those charges from the past. The defence is if you can't prove different, use the conspiracy theory. It can't going to work anymore.

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

Ah but she didn't.
She dated a few of them.....but the rest your speculation.

For someone who pretends to be all about the facts you do an awful lot of speculating.

She was married to one, lived with another. It is called close relations.

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

I guess it’s a sure sign of pure partisan blindness when incompetence and corruption are fine so long as the previous party did it too. You can always tell who are the real partisan hacks because they will defend their party no matter what they do. All they have to do is refer to an unsubstantiated story based completely on rumour and innuendo, and use that as their justification for behaving in an even more corrupt and unethical manner. They don’t even need to provide a source for their lies because they have such contempt for the electorate, they feel people are too stupid to pay close enough attention to realize they’re being lied to.
The best part, however, is the electorate isn’t that stupid. And despite Dion being totally out of his league as a party leader, Harper can’t even manage to get support even a few points above the hard-core, true-blue conservative base.

Maybe if the base weren’t so shrill, negative, paranoid, and cynical, they would have a chance. Fortunately for the rest of us, that’s unlikely to happen.

Corrupt and unethical, the left should know all about that. The left specifically the liberals have already proven how corrupt and unethical they are, now they are trying to drag the tories down and smear them using cleavage gate, nafta gate, and Cadman, all non issues and stories driven by their ties and lackies in the media used to spin their stories. A tie the CBC had to grudgingly admit.

The CPC survives despite your mud slinging. If this is all the left in this country has to campaign on then well the CPC has already won.

Edited May 30, 2008 by Alta4ever

BubberMiley · May 30, 2008

The CPC survives despite your mud slinging. If this is all the left in this country has to campaign on then well the CPC has already won.

Yes, tell me when the CPC gets above their 33% base in the polls, and I might believe they're anything but a brief caretaker government.

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

She was married to one, lived with another. It is called close relations.

Show me where she was a member, please.......Nothing but speculation.

You are filling in the blanks with you imagination.

How do you think the Hell's Angel's would seek to infiltrate the federal government? Does this sound like one possible way?

Sounds like you've got a pretty good one.

heck with that kind of influence they might even try to get the CPC to legalize pot! DRGREENTHUMB would be excited.

Edited May 30, 2008 by Alta4ever

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

Yes, tell me when the CPC gets above their 33% base in the polls, and I might believe they're anything but a brief caretaker government.

Dear old Johnny C won a majority with 36%.

3% in an election campaign isn't far to move. But Dion and the liberals will make it even easier two words CARBON TAX.

BubberMiley · May 30, 2008

heck with that kind of influence they might even try to get the CPC to legalize pot! DRGREENTHUMB would be excited.

I had always assumed they were the ones who lobbied the CPC to flip-flop and get rid of the decriminalization legislation. They (and the CPC) are the last people who would want it legal, as they're making boatloads of cash off of prohibition.

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

You know that what the US Cons kept telling the public over 9/11 and the Iraq war and now the press secretary is backing up those charges from the past. The defence is if you can't prove different, use the conspiracy theory. It can't going to work anymore.

Oh goodie can we please talk about the US Government invovlement in Iraq in a topic about a Canadian Foreign affairs minister and a now ex girlfriend.

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

Show me where she was a member, please.......Nothing but speculation.

No one ever said she was a member. But as she had information by being involved with a federal minister, I imagine she had information being involved with a Hell's Angel. She probably posed a security threat to both. No speculation there. At one time it was said that the Hell's Angel's wanted to have her killed.

You are filling in the blanks with you imagination.
Sounds like you've got a pretty good one.

September 11 happened according to the 9/11 Commission due to a "failure of the imagination."

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

I had always assumed they were the ones who lobbied the CPC to flip-flop and get rid of the decriminalization legislation. They (and the CPC) are the last people who would want it legal, as they're making boatloads of cash off of prohibition.

Oh but think of the money that could be laundered.

A biker gang infiltrating the government astoundingly ludicrous.

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

No one ever said she was a member. But as she had information by being involved with a federal minister, I imagine she had information being involved with a Hell's Angel. She probably posed a security threat to both. No speculation there. At one time it was said that the Hell's Angel's wanted to have her killed.

So what are you saying, shes a double agent?

You used the magic word probably. Looks like, smells like, tastes like speculation, feels like, speculation.

BubberMiley · May 30, 2008

A biker gang infiltrating the government astoundingly ludicrous.

Your inability to puncutate obscures your meaning. Do you mean:

"A biker gang infiltrating the government? Astoundingly ludicrous!"

or

"A biker gang infiltrating the government: astoundingly ludicrous."

Or perhaps you have a francophone concept of adjective placement, and really meant to say

"A biker gang infiltrating the astoundingly ludicrous government."

Perhaps you should try again.

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

So what are you saying, shes a double agent?
You used the magic word probably. Looks like, smells like, tastes like speculation, feels like, speculation.

I'm saying she wasn't vetted and had unprecedented access to the minister who oversaw a sensitive portfolio. The RCMP have said that the Hell's Angel's are trying to infiltrate the government. How do you suppose they would do this?

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

Your inability to puncutate obscures your meaning. Do you mean:
"A biker gang infiltrating the government? Astoundingly ludicrous!"

or

"A biker gang infiltrating the government: astoundingly ludicrous."

Or perhaps you have a francophone concept of adjective placement, and really meant to say

"A biker gang infiltrating the astoundingly ludicrous government."

Perhaps you should try again.

Wow its come to punctuation.

I guess we know what's important in political sparing.

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

I'm saying she wasn't vetted and had unprecedented access to the minister who oversaw a sensitive portfolio. The RCMP have said that the Hell's Angel's are trying to infiltrate the government. How do you suppose they would do this?

Wow. Lets get this straight we are suppose to hold in reverence Trudeau, who admired both fascist and communist dictators.

On the other hand you condemn a Minister, who dated a women who may have had a troubled past..

Edited May 30, 2008 by Alta4ever

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

Wow. Lets get this straight we are suppose to hold in reverence Trudeau, who admired both fascist and communist dictators.
On the other hand you condemn a Minister, who dated a women who may have had a troubled past..

I'm sorry you are grasping now. Must be the desperation of the right wing.

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

I'm sorry you are grasping now. Must be the desperation of the right wing.

Gasping who's grasping, these are well documented facts. Or do just not like it when your hypocrisy is showing?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/may/06053105.html

or this

http://www.freealberta.com/trudeau.html

Pierre Trudeau as Supporter of Dictatorships
Pierre Trudeau has a long history of supporting dictators. Let us consider Trudeau's actions:

Trudeau admired Mao, stating that stating that Mao had delivered a "wonderful system to his people." Mao is one of the bloodiest killers in human history, responsible for tens of millions of deaths during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Trudeau had no problem with this on his conscience and liberalized relations with China. According to R.J. Rummell, from 1949-1987, there were between 6.0 million to 102 million people killed by the Chinese government, with the best estimate at 35.2 million people murdered.

Trudeau proclaimed "Viva Castro" in 1973. Castro is another butcher that Trudeau idolized. According to Rummell, Castro killed between 35,000 and 141,000 Cubans, with 73,000 being the most likely estimate. Trudeau shamefully allowed Cuban military transport planes to refuel in Newfoundland before resupplying themselves in the U.S.S.R.. From there, the Cuban soldiers were killing Angolans.Senator Link Byfield, in a September 30, 2000 Globe and Mail column, stated Trudeau "was once overheard by reporters remarking to Fidel Castro how much quicker and easier it would be to run things the Cuban way".

Trudeau visited the Soviet Union several times, and each time praised it, whether it was oppressed under Stalin or Brezhnev. Trudeau infuriated many Soviet dissidents by praising the development of Siberia - which as anyone knows, was developed by the Soviets using gulag slave labor. Trudeau's intellectual inspiration while at the London School of Economics was Harold Laski, an apologist for Stalin. Trudeau is on the record in Cite Libre, praising Stalin's totalitarianism. As Rummel notes, the Soviet regime that Trudeau spoke fondly of killed between 28.326 million and 126.891 million people, with 61.911 million corpses being the most likely estimate.

Journalist Robert Fulford states "to Canada's eternal shame, Trudeau expressed sympathy with the venomous General Wojceich Jaruzelski when the general imposed martial law on Poland in 1981, banned Solidarity and arrested union leaders." Byfield states of Trudeau "He seemed to have the mind of a dictator, not a democrat."

Trudeau dressed as a German soldier and riding around Jewish suburbs of Montreal DURING WORLD WAR II (as reported by Mordecai Richler). While this does not imply that Trudeau was a Nazi - Trudeau's version of socialism differed from Hitler's - his actions were tasteless at best. Historian Esther Delisle noted that some of Quebec's elite supported Petain and the Vichy French during World War II. This adds further context to Trudeau's professed doubt that World War II was a just war.

In addition to the inhuman murderers above, he also praised and supported dictators like Mugabe, Nyerere and others.

Trudeau supported killers and dictators. He was not interested in freedom, justice or liberty.

Yet more again

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...fc-d0f3e8ee219b

Young Trudeau: 1919-1944: Son of Quebec, Father of Canada

by Max Nemni (Author), Monique Nemni (Author), William Johnson (Translator)

I can find you more if you need it.

jdobbin · May 30, 2008

Gasping who's grasping, these are well documented facts. Or do just not like it when your hypocrisy is showing?

Grasping is going for the Trudeau rant. What next in the right wing desperation to divert attention from Bernier incompetence and Harper's cavalier attitude to security?

Alta4ever · May 30, 2008

Grasping is going for the Trudeau rant. What next in the right wing desperation to divert attention from Bernier incompetence and Harper's cavalier attitude to security?

Its not grasping its compairing, Bernier resigned for his mistake, he did the right thing.

The fact is the compairson hit a cord, you and the left hold no moral authority. You can forgive one of your own for what is far, far worse transgression.

Funny when your demons come out of the closet you try to write it off as a rant and desperation to divert attention. Your spin works both ways... let me give you an example:

Cleavage-gate is nothing but the lefts desperation to divert attention away a weak leader, a weak party, one policy (carbon tax), and nothing else, but pathetic attemps at mud slinging.

Your hypocrisy is showing.