McCain:I will win the Iraq war by the end of my first term

[GostHacked]

I will try to stay on topic for you then.

So let's get back to it then, instead of continually bitching about how people post. One way to kill it is to ignore what was irrelevant to the post and de-digress back to the topic.

So here we go......

Winning the war by the first term is shortsightedness considering how long this so called war has been going on. It seems to be a continuing effort of patchwork and troop surges to keep the status quo. There seems no real progress in my view.

M. Dancer

That isn't my premise. It was a mistake to de-mob the army and police, to dismember the civil service. The unemployment it created furthered the insurgency. Is this something you deny?

I completely agree. Totaly dismanteling one system before you even have a plan to get the other system working. It seems to me that it was all brought down and thrown out. Instead of making a gradual shift, this sudden change in how Iraq works on the whole is a whole mess and was detremental to the retructuing of the country. Many people who worked for Saddam were scared out of their wits and then many who were loyal to Saddam, but still scared out of their wits. To go against what Saddam says means death. Now you have those same people out of work. No work, many homeless, many are thirsty for clean drinking water, and reliable power infrastucture. Many are starving. These types of conditions just fuel anger and hate and animosity.

Since the first Gulf War, and the years of sanctions, the great debacle of an oil for food program, no fly zones. This took a serious toll on Iraq as a whole. Seriouly weakining the country's ability to do anything since Iraq invaded Kuwait. They should have gone after Saudi Arabia, now THAT would have been neat.

Alright Saddam was a tyrant, but he was the US's tyrant for some time. Actually now that I think of it, it is hypocritical to supply chemicals/munitions to Saddam then bitch about how they were used to gas the kurds. The US never made much of a fuss about it then, so why make a big fuss out of it now?

This war will end sometime, but not in the near future. And eventhough the US claims that they do not want to be a permanent presence in Iraq, the huge military bases the US is building there, clearly shows their real intentions. They never had a withrdawl plan. Never needed one, for they never intended on it.

[M.Dancer]

...to put it another way would be if the Ontario teacher's pension plan bought BCE (hey..It could happen..) and then announce they will re-structure it by laying off the entire workforce, top to bottom, then wonder why the consumers revolt and switch to another service when the entire BCE company collapses...

[GostHacked]

...to put it another way would be if the Ontario teacher's pension plan bought BCE (hey..It could happen..) and then announce they will re-structure it by laying off the entire workforce, top to bottom, then wonder why the consumers revolt and switch to another service when the entire BCE company collapses...

It just seems dumb doesn't it. Common sense? Don't see any of that around here. By this one can surmise that the entire so called war is what then?

[Moonlight Graham]

It is just a book as I see it. Like any other book.

Shoot away. Line up some of your other faves like the Bible, old and new testament, ect. A nice .50 cal maching gun should rip those suckers apart like nothing.

But I am of the non religious type. So they are all just books to me.

I don't think it should matter if you religious or not. You don't have to respect the religious beliefs of others, but you must be aware of the consequences that disrespecting those beliefs will have. It's anyone's right i suppose to pop the Bible and Qur'an with a .50 cal, but know that its going to piss people off, and sometimes in ways that are undesireable to you.

The Qu'ran target practice has already caused protests in Afghanistan, with i believe 2 NATO soliders being shot & killed. That doesn't mean those who were shot deserved it or that the shooters are anything but scum worse than the Mr. Target Practice. But if a U.S. soldier shoots up a Qu'ran while in the Muslim country his own country has invaded & occupied, logic says some radical response like that is going to happen somewhere. So common sense says "best not shoot up a copy of the Qu'ran" because the response will be undesireable and completely counteractive to what the U.S. and allies are trying to do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The shock and awe of 2003 and the quick mission accomplished shows us in clarity that this war on terror and especially in Iraq, will not end.

I agree in a sense. The "war on terror" is not a winnable war. You cannot defeat terrorism, you can only contain it.

Edited May 24, 2008 by Moonlight Graham

[Topaz]

Seems like to me, iF HE knew how to bring an end to this war and SAVE lives he tell us how and get Bush to do it, what is he waiting for??

[HisSelf]

MCain is not going to be able to win (whatever that means) the war in Iraq by the end of his first term. Looks like we are all agreed.

[Moonlight Graham]

Seems like to me, iF HE knew how to bring an end to this war and SAVE lives he tell us how and get Bush to do it, what is he waiting for??

I suppose. But any suggestions to Bush will go through the Cheney filter anyways. I am very interested to know exectly how McCain plans on doing this. i would like to hear him elaborate on how he's going to do this.

[the janitor]

McCain can not win the war in Iraq. There is no war. A war is when you are threatened and both sides square off and have it out - for the sake of the just cause of survivalism. This so-called war is infact histories first hostile corporate merger done in a half baked and ameturism military style...it's not a real war..its a mess..and you can not WIN in a mess..you can only clean it up..we do not need a commander in chief to lead America to big V victory..we need a god-damn realist..a janitor.

Problem is not many people see things the way janitors do. Janitors aren't real idealistic. Political rhetoric doesn't count for much when you're cleaning a toilet, it's just the stuff that comes out the other end. Janitors can accept the world the way it is, not pretend it's something it isn't. Don't really have any choice.

Edited May 25, 2008 by the janitor