Is this racism?

[AngusThermopyle]

Or perhaps you are too sensitive, drawing an accusation of generalization from a specific case. But if YOU want to paint all white people from one incident as indicative then perhaps it is your own guilt you need to deal with.

Ah, here we go again, its about time, been a few days.

No guilt at all here CR. Don't let that stop you though. You just keep using those amazing powers of yours that allow you to invariably ascribe the wrong motivations to those you know nothing about. As I said in another thread, predictability can be so gratifying, and you're so gratifyingly predictable.

Just another post from you based on your usual method of posting, pulling vapour out of the air and trying to pass it off as fact.

How's your new reality you've been imagining working out for you anyway?

[FTA Lawyer]

None of the above! I don't buy this left wing /rightwing crap. Im just a straightforward person who tells it like it is..you all can't respond to this because you know that there arses in our society like that--big tough men who have to target elders and girls....

The premise of your whole topic is illustrated by the content of your original post:

The couple sat down and within minutes, the little kid rednecks started yapping loud about indians, using the word indians to get their cheap rightwing thrill out of it. Will these little boy rightwingers ever grow up?

Including the above, I counted six separate instances in your posts using the term "right-wing" or some variant of the same. So, with all due respect, I do not accept your self-professed disavowal of the term nor do I accept your claim to being straightforward.

Makes it kind of tough to expect people to believe the veracity of your account of the "Indian-bashing" incident...

That said, whether your incident is fabricated or not simply detracts from the fact that you have started a thread wherein you describe objectively racist behaviour and as a topic title you ask whether or not it is racist?

Is this a question mark ?

The topic is pointless. Bad things happen to people who don't deserve it all of the time. Sometimes its just rude, other times criminal. Sometimes based on race, other times random. There is really no point to the discussion, unless you were trying to rant about Conservatives (big "C" intended) and their "right-wing"edness.

Hmmm...

So you say that , "anybody who deliberately propagandizes with lies should be held up to scorn and ridicule!" Does this mean that the whole Conservative Party should be scorned and ridiculed? After all, they're type are all just living one great big lie.

FTA

[DangerMouse]

If it is pointless why did you answer? It is not fabricated it is the truth...our country is full over full grown men who act worse then little kids....if you can't grasp that then you are in denial...simple as that....

[Wilber]

How old are you DM?

[DogOnPorch]

If it is pointless why did you answer? It is not fabricated it is the truth...our country is full over full grown men who act worse then little kids....if you can't grasp that then you are in denial...simple as that....

Ugly is as ugly does...to think it is race based is...well...ugly.

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Everything that's realistic has some sort of ugliness in it. Even a flower is ugly when it wilts, a bird when it seeks its prey, the ocean when it becomes violent.

---Sharon Tate-Polanski

[Charles Anthony]

Everybody,

Stop the insults and inflammatory rhetoric.

A few of the last posts have been deleted because one of them was provoking violence and the other posts quoted the original.

[charter.rights]

Everybody,

Stop the insults and inflammatory rhetoric.

A few of the last posts have been deleted because one of them was provoking violence and the other posts quoted the original.

It would have been far more productive IMO, if you had warned the usual suspects that trolled and baited DM from the beginning. While there may have been more intelligent ways of addressing this issue seriously, it doesn't take long for it to fall apart once the non-contibutors got involved. It is clear what their intent was and it was not to discuss this properly.

[charter.rights]

Everybody,

Stop the insults and inflammatory rhetoric.

A few of the last posts have been deleted because one of them was provoking violence and the other posts quoted the original.

It would have been far more productive IMO, if you had warned the usual suspects that trolled and baited DM from the beginning. While there may have been more intelligent ways of addressing this issue seriously, it doesn't take long for it to fall apart once the non-contibutors got involved. It is clear what their intent was and it was not to discuss this properly.

[M.Dancer]

It would have been far more productive IMO, if you had warned the usual suspects that trolled and baited DM from the beginning.

Baited DM?

DM is a troll.

[DogOnPorch]

c-r: It would have been far more productive IMO, if you had warned the usual suspects that trolled and baited DM from the beginning. While there may have been more intelligent ways of addressing this issue seriously, it doesn't take long for it to fall apart once the non-contibutors got involved. It is clear what their intent was and it was not to discuss this properly.

Oh please. DM played 'the race card' right out of the gate. He's going to get a reaction...which I dare say is what he wanted in the first place. The only real value I place on his opinions are for amusement purposes. If I started a thread with stereotypical native names, I'd expect the same sort of treatment.

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As long as I own this football team and long after I'm gone, they will always be the Washington Redskins.

---Jack K. Cooke

[Rue]

Well you did call me a "lil boy redneck rightwinger" when I suggested that you also harbor similar views. That certainly proved my point.

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No actually it proved his. He presented a story where it was obvious someone was saying something hateful. Instead of responding and saying its unfortunate hatred is a learned behaviour that can be passed on from generation to generation and leave it at that, no not you right? You had to patronize and prove that a person trying to share what its like to be the object of ridicule is just as bad as anyone that engages in such ridicule.

Why?

Where do you get off lecturing and patronizing someone who is trying to share what it feels like to be humiliated that they can't and because they are just as evil. Who made you God? Are you perfect?

Following your comments to their logical conclusion none of us can speak of racism because we are all racist so we should all just shut up right?

Wrong. Your message and point wasn't for all of us to shut up, just aboriginals. Thus the pretense and the smart ass righteous exercise of trying to suggest the word redneck is racist.

Tell me how is it racist. I am a Jew. I pink skin and red hair and freckles. When I go out in the sun my neck turns red. It happens to a lot of caucasian people. How is that racist? Its a fact. I have had many people with darker skin ask me what the f...ck is wrong with me that I do not wear a hat if I know I am a pink boy. That is not racist its just there way of trying to prevent me from having a third degree burn, skin cancer or a stroke.

Redneck? Hmm what about Redskin? Last time I looked there was no professional football team called the Washington Rednecks.

You know damn well the word redneck refers to any racist of any colour. The origins of the word were white people in the sun on their plantations burning their necks. You think they were picking cotton or whipping the people with darker skin to pick the cotton. That is where the word comes from.

Now you want to get semantic go ahead. Tell me how redneck is racist. Show me how it suggests all white people are racist. White people use that word as much as anyone else to suggest a bigot.

Your point? That you feel it your need to put him in his place and maintain your feelings of being superior.

Why do you think people can not resist following you and engaging in the same pretentious self-rghteous responses that once again try tell aboriginals they are not at the receiving end of bigotry but the cause of it.

See this caucasian with the Jew in his Canadian buttox has no need to establish his identity being deliebrately smarmy to someone trying to share a story of bigotry. And no I am not self-righteous. I have a stupid buttox that has said stupid things. Only I just don't see the need to constantly insult aboriginal people and try humiliate them when they try share something surely you could have for once just acknowledged without the pointing back of your finger.

Are you that insecure when an aboriginal person speaks that you need to do this? Why are you so afraid of them?

Is it because they look different then you or tend to beat the crap out of white guys when we are stupid enough to play hockey with them? Get over it. They hit hard but they will pick up your spleen and liver and give it back to you after they pull you off the boards. Relax. They don't want them or your teeth or kidneys that are mooshed in there either. I got my spleen back after a MicMac from the Restigouche rearranged my innards. Bought me a beer after the game to. I couldn't feel a thing. Had no feeling anywhere. Completely paralyzed.

If your point is we are all assholes just say so.

[DogOnPorch]

You know damn well the word redneck refers to any racist of any colour.

Does it now. Care to prove that?

The origins of the word were white people in the sun on their plantations burning their necks. You think they were picking cotton or whipping the people with darker skin to pick the cotton. That is where the word comes from.

That isn't the origin of the word.

Wrong. Your message and point wasn't for all of us to shut up, just aboriginals. Thus the pretense and the smart ass righteous exercise of trying to suggest the word redneck is racist.

Really? Then you'll have no problem with someone calling Natives 'chugs' then? Or Caucasians 'cracker'? Or Blacks 'jiggaboos'. Those words in no way suggest skin colour.

Are you that insecure when an aboriginal person speaks that you need to do this? Why are you so afraid of them?

WTF? You do not know me.

Show me how it suggests all white people are racist. White people use that word as much as anyone else to suggest a bigot.

It doesn't suggest all whites are racist. It's a stereotypical description of white people. It suggests whites have a tendancy towards inbreeding, drinking, fighting and perhaps eating roadkill (as mentioned earlier already). I'll let Google Images do the talking. Point out the black rednecks, please.

Redneck? Hmm what about Redskin? Last time I looked there was no professional football team called the Washington Rednecks.

My point exactly. Only a certain skin colour can say the "N word" and get away with it. Ask certain stand-up comics.

If your point is we are all assholes just say so.

No worries. Don't particularly agree with you either.

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I'm your worst nightmare...a nigger with a badge.

---Eddie Murphy upon entering a redneck bar: 48 Hours

Edited May 9, 2008 by DogOnPorch

[DangerMouse]

Does it now. Care to prove that?

That isn't the origin of the word.

Really? Then you'll have no problem with someone calling Natives 'chugs' then? Or Caucasians 'cracker'? Or Blacks 'jiggaboos'. Those words in no way suggest skin colour.

WTF? You do not know me.

It doesn't suggest all whites are racist. It's a stereotypical description of white people. It suggests whites have a tendancy towards inbreeding, drinking, fighting and perhaps eating roadkill (as mentioned earlier already). I'll let Google Images do the talking. Point out the black rednecks, please.

My point exactly. Only a certain skin colour can say the "N word" and get away with it. Ask certain stand-up comics.

No worries. Don't particularly agree with you either.

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I'm your worst nightmare...a nigger with a badge.

---Eddie Murphy upon entering a redneck bar: 48 Hours

The definition varies. According to Don Cherry is along the lines of the burnt neck thing. To me it is someone who can be a total jerk to minorities and like to fight. Beat them up when they have lots of back-ups, and/or older men who will slander an eldery couple in a cafe. The funny thing I heard was that ALberta is full of nice rednecks

[Borg]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

The indians are winning the white man baiting game.

Shame on you coloured folks for twisting tails.

Borg

[AngusThermopyle]

The definition varies. According to Don Cherry is along the lines of the burnt neck thing. To me it is someone who can be a total jerk to minorities and like to fight. Beat them up when they have lots of back-ups, and/or older men who will slander an eldery couple in a cafe. The funny thing I heard was that ALberta is full of nice rednecks

What you have listed are personal definitions, not true definitions. The word redneck to describe a particular group originated in Scotland with the Covenanters. The Covenanters desired a Presbyterean church government and rejected the Church of England. Specifically they rejected episcopacy, rule by Bishops. In order to signify their position on this issue in public supporters would wear a red cloth or bandana around their neck, hence the term redneck.

A North American etymology would suggest that the coal miners of West Virginia influenced the use of the term. when they marched in support of unionization they identified themselves by wearing red cloths or bandanas around their necks. This action resulted in violence but did eventually win them the right to unionize.

The least likely and credited version is the one about red necks from working in the sun all day. Actually no, I would say the least likely is the one put forth by Don Cherry, truly a bastion of ignorance and uninformed opinion.

Hope that clears up any confusion with regard to the origins of the term redneck.

Edited May 16, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[DangerMouse]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

The indians are winning the white man baiting game.

Shame on you coloured folks for twisting tails.

Borg

What's that Scotty?

[AngusThermopyle]

What's that Scotty?

And your point Is?

Do you have a point?

[Oleg Bach]

And your point Is?

Do you have a point?

Red necks are a culture and as specific race - natives are the same..so if you are going to have racism..lets first get the rural red neck northern ontario culture registered as an endangered entity. I really believe that. If you take a liberal child protection agencey..they love to steal the kids of red necks because they do not respect them. It is a culture - beer - driving around on the back road on sunny days smoking pot and drinking whiskey is also a cultural experience. Racism is practiced on Red Necks daily in Canada..and if Red Necks don't like people from China or Jamacia..It's because that's their culture...and rightfully so.. To discrimination is the right to choose and have free choice on what you like and don't like. It means to judge and to have judgement is not a negative think..all hail the Red Necks..I grew up with them and they are my people.