Has anyone heard of the NWO?

[Remiel]

Good one, M. Dancer, hehehe...

[Remiel]

I suppose I should say that " corporate agenda " is perhaps not the best of terms. Marx himself said that what he viewed as the capitalist system of exploitation was not in fact a product of some grand conspiracy, but that the elite were as much affected by false consciousness as the proletariat. Personally, when it comes to some things I do think that folks know exactly what they are doing at least some of the time, but that they are ignoring the implications because they are too complicated to comprehend easily, or for the sake of their conscious.

Another angle though perhaps it is possible that a single world government would actually turn out badly for the corporate elite because it would be a large step in the direction of breaking down the barriers between workers that prevented the kind of internationally unified proletariat that Marx expected. Remember a key difference between Stalin in Trotsky was that Stalin believe that communism in one country could work, while Trotsky did not. Of course, communism is kind of getting into a different argument.

So, would anyone like to try and outline their full thoughts on one world government?

[Oleg Bach]

I suppose I should say that " corporate agenda " is perhaps not the best of terms. Marx himself said that what he viewed as the capitalist system of exploitation was not in fact a product of some grand conspiracy, but that the elite were as much affected by false consciousness as the proletariat. Personally, when it comes to some things I do think that folks know exactly what they are doing at least some of the time, but that they are ignoring the implications because they are too complicated to comprehend easily, or for the sake of their conscious.

Another angle though perhaps it is possible that a single world government would actually turn out badly for the corporate elite because it would be a large step in the direction of breaking down the barriers between workers that prevented the kind of internationally unified proletariat that Marx expected. Remember a key difference between Stalin in Trotsky was that Stalin believe that communism in one country could work, while Trotsky did not. Of course, communism is kind of getting into a different argument.

So, would anyone like to try and outline their full thoughts on one world government?

Let me explain something about corporates. Corporations are fine in the begining while the founder of vision lives - once that founder is dead the collective ant hill takes over that is the corporation...and it does not have the former vision and agenda of the founder...it functions as a collective beast and serves only it self and it's bottom line survival. Plus the corporation is always run by the VP and a hidden committee..and the president is but a front man and a scape goat that leaves the VP immune from criminal prosecution..Bush Cheney inc. - prime example...Corporations are constructed of the mediocre human collective..it is a beast that has no real singular mind - they are not to be repected or feared...like a dragon without a head - like a parasitic fungus...PAY NO HEED TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

[GostHacked]

Let me explain something about corporates. Corporations are fine in the begining while the founder of vision lives - once that founder is dead the collective ant hill takes over that is the corporation...and it does not have the former vision and agenda of the founder...it functions as a collective beast and serves only it self and it's bottom line survival. Plus the corporation is always run by the VP and a hidden committee..and the president is but a front man and a scape goat that leaves the VP immune from criminal prosecution..Bush Cheney inc. - prime example...Corporations are constructed of the mediocre human collective..it is a beast that has no real singular mind - they are not to be repected or feared...like a dragon without a head - like a parasitic fungus...PAY NO HEED TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

We also see many of these heads of corporations become members of government. Cheney was the CEO of Haliburton, this was after he served on Regan's panel and before he became VP of the US. I am sure there are countless other scenarios just like this across government. So when you have this revolving door between the two, it is easily shown who controls who. There is a cohesion between big business and government.

[bush_cheney2004]

We also see many of these heads of corporations become members of government. Cheney was the CEO of Haliburton, this was after he served on Regan's panel and before he became VP of the US....

Yes...no need to mention that he was also a Congressman, Minority Whip, and Sec'y of Defense before that.

[Remiel]

Yes, yes, I know about the corporations. But they are not the only consideration when contemplating world government. That is what I am trying to get at. I want to hear about more theoretical considerations.

[GostHacked]

Yes, yes, I know about the corporations. But they are not the only consideration when contemplating world government. That is what I am trying to get at. I want to hear about more theoretical considerations.

It's no theory.

[Remiel]

Why are you trying to take what could be an interesting topic and boil it down to one simplistic point that does not really tell us anything? Kind of feels like people who complain, " But it is a tax! " without any sort of context.

[Topaz]

IF you take one investing group like the Carlyle Group which is a private investment club, Bush sr and some of his former cabinet buddies, former world leaders etc all buy and investment in everything that can be invested in around the world. They are into manufacturing, owned 67% of NA's, the health care sectors, military weapons and equipment, auto sectors, financial sectors, the list goes on and on. When you have large groups of these kind of investors then they can control the world by economies, just like OPEC can control the oil. IF the heads of the country becomes part of this NWO, then the powers that be, can even more take control over the world. We have watched the European Union, You'll see a NAU within time, an Asia Union, they will divide up the world into unions and they will likely say its for global trading or for monetary reasons. Do you think the Middle-East will go with this idea? I don't and that is why there is a war raging there and why Bush wants control over the Middle-East. just another thought for all of you like to tinfoil everything, what would you have said if before 9/11 someone came on here and said that an attack would hit the US and plane would run into buildings? You'd say that person was crazy and it would never happen, right? IF we close our minds off to any possibilities now or in the future, then we deserve what we get.

[M.Dancer]

IF you take one investing group like the Carlyle Group which is a private investment club, .......

I love it when you start off your post with a falsehood. They are a private equity firm and if you have access to capita you can invest with them.

[Remiel]

Never mind. Just never mind.

*sigh*

[Pliny]

Never mind. Just never mind.

*sigh*

The anti-corporate agenda:

6:00 AM - Go for walk.

6:28 Write letter to city council re garbage and irresponsible dog owners.

7:14 Breakfast

7:30 Head for work

9 - 5 Organize union rally for Thursday

6:06 Arrive home from work.

6:30 Supper and watch news.

7:00 Watch America's Next Top Model

8:00 Clean up and make lunches for tomorrow

8:16 Discuss with friends and associates deplorable world conditions as mentioned on news.

9:48 Write letter, as discussed, to MP suggesting government do something about deplorable world conditions.

10:13 Bask in knowledge of being socially responsible citizen.

11:01 Make love to husband

[GostHacked]

United Nations - Our world government forums type of thing.

World Bank - could be where the world government gets the money from, working with Non Governmental Organizations (NGOs)

International Monetary Fund.

World Health Organization

World Trade Organization

International Criminal Court

World Council on Churches.

Smaller parts are the

European Unon

North American Union.

African Union

... along with their respected 'think tanks' that do lobby and influence and shape nation governments to get the results they desire.

There are things happening behind closed doors that none of us are aware of. But they seem to reveal themselves in the media in some way or another. it is subtle and kind of hits the subconcious.

[Pliny]

United Nations - Our world government forums type of thing.

World Bank - could be where the world government gets the money from, working with Non Governmental Organizations (NGOs)

International Monetary Fund.

World Health Organization

World Trade Organization

International Criminal Court

World Council on Churches.

Smaller parts are the

European Unon

North American Union.

African Union

... along with their respected 'think tanks' that do lobby and influence and shape nation governments to get the results they desire.

There are things happening behind closed doors that none of us are aware of. But they seem to reveal themselves in the media in some way or another. it is subtle and kind of hits the subconcious.

An excellent depiction of the murky and muddied waters produced by a public education.

[M.Dancer]

An excellent depiction of the murky and muddied waters produced by a public education.

You cazn't blame tin foil hat thinking on puiblic eduction anymore than on A&E or TLC....

[Pliny]

You cazn't blame tin foil hat thinking on puiblic eduction anymore than on A&E or TLC....

You must be typing on your laptop. The keys are pretty cloise together.

[M.Dancer]

CVorrect. And without glasses on I am virtually blind.