Multiculturism is a huge failure

[WarBicycle]

My ancestors on both sides of my family came over as Highland soldiers to fight in the French Indian wars. They chose the wrong side during the Revolutionary War and were forced to move to leave the US for Canada. They were the original settlers of Glengarry county, Ontario and Prince Edward Island. How many members can trace their family back to the 1740's in North America.

Edited April 21, 2008 by WarBicycle

[DangerMouse]

Actually it is. There was a report published in October 16, 2006 that investigated children who whine and those who don't. The whiners grow up to be Republicans.

So you're doing a good job portraying right-wing fanaticism. Keep stirring the pot.

I knew this all along! I've seen so-called "grown-men" act worse than little kids. Mentality even worse...Serious worse then kids....and women marry these childish thingamabobbers--must be for the money $$$$ Rightwing=kids

[August1991]

I ask that Canada only let in the types of skilled workers we need and cut down on the family immigrants which make up 70% of those that we do allow, many of them elderly who will only drain our system. I pay my taxes all my life and an elderly immigrant who hasn't paid into the system gets the benefits for free while being too old to work and contribute? That isn't fair.

If you accept an economic migrant, then presumably you accept a spouse and likely one child. So, you're 70% statistic refers to the dependents who accompany a suitable immigrant.

Indeed, that's not far from what Canada accepts now.

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The simple fact of the matter is that we live in a world where people travel around the globe. Canadians go abroad and foreigners come here. It is foolish and impossible to believe that we could isolate ourselves. There are 6 billion people in this world and we share a planet with them. Reading this thread, I have the impression that some posters think that Canada is on a different planet or in a different solar system. Well, we're not.

We're generally a free and open society and I wouldn't want it any other way. I prefer a Canada connected to the world rather than one that is isolated and separate.

[Zachary Young]

"In addition I shall educate you one more time. If you compare the polices of the CPC and the GOP and Democrats you will find that the CPC is closer to the Democrats of the USA and not the GOP."

There really isn't a difference between the political parties anywhere in Canada or the United States. They all favour more power, higher government spending, more control of your personal life / family, and full and the almost complete grip on the economy as a whole. The rhetoric of the right of 'laissez-faire' and balanced budgets and lessened government spending is just that. Through slight of hand with the figures you can convince gullible voters that you cut taxes - when in reality taxes are almost always cut and then raised or shifted around. The only number that matters is total government spending, and you will see it always goes. Conservatives increase it as great a rate, if not greater than the 'left wing parties'. George Bush increased the welfare state by over a trillion dollars with his prescription drug bill. He gave the country a New Deal and a Holy Crusade, and he sold half the country to China along with it, to get the cash.

[Wild Bill]

Obviously you didn't have grandparents like I did that, who along with their European brethren did indeed build up this country. I think the inference was to original immigrants who just wanted a free country to come to, to work hard, and to be left alone. My grandfolks never spoke Norwegian again once they arrived.

I think you're missing the point. When your grandfolks came over they weren't grandfolks! They were young and of working age!

Today, 70% of immigration is "family reunification". They come over as old grandfolks!

You're not likely to see them working on construction sites.

[Argus]

If you accept an economic migrant, then presumably you accept a spouse and likely one child. So, you're 70% statistic refers to the dependents who accompany a suitable immigrant.

Indeed, that's not far from what Canada accepts now.

It is VERY far from what Canada accepts now.

The simple fact of the matter is that we live in a world where people travel around the globe. Canadians go abroad and foreigners come here. It is foolish and impossible to believe that we could isolate ourselves. There are 6 billion people in this world and we share a planet with the

Blah-blah-blah-blah, people of the world, love everyone, etc. etc. etc.

Just so long as they stay out of Quebec, right August?

You're all for open borders - but not for Quebec. You're all for embracing the multiethnic world which pours into Canada - but when it comes to Quebec, keep those walls high!

[Argus]

So you're saying a Muslim from Iraq is the same as a Mulsim from Indonesia is the same as a Muslim from Michigan.

Insofar as their attitudes towards homosexuals and women are concerned - yup. Oh there are shades of black, of course. I'm sure some of them only think homosexuals should be imprisoned as opposed to others who believe they should be tortured to death. I'm sure some are willing to tolerate women driving, while others want them whipped if they show any hair outside their bedsheet. But generally, core attitudes among third world Muslims are fairly similar.

[Argus]

Th Jewish vote is crucial to any government in order to win. Peter Manbridge said so himself Thursday night's edition of "The National". Ignatiaff went to the Jewish council in Montreal to apologize for comments made earlier in the week.

There are a lot more Muslims in Canada then Jews. Why would the Jewish vote be that important?

[Argus]

The first post was not so thinly veiled racism and I'm not going to read this thread because I'm sure it's more of the same.

Oh boy, a real open mind there. I'm not going to read it because it's probably racist! Eeek! Save me from exposure to words I don't like! Eeek!

We should adopt a policy of open borders and allow anyone who wishes to immigrate to do so -

So you'd have no problem with tens of millions of fundamentalist Muslims moving here and quite legally, through democratic means, voting in a fundamentalist Islamic government?

but before we do this we must abolish the welfare state,

And when those poor people freeze to death or starve to death we can collect their corpses to use as fuel! Brilliant!

[Qwerty]

There are a lot more Muslims in Canada then Jews. Why would the Jewish vote be that important?

Jews are active in civic affairs. They tend to vote with their chequebooks, contributing heavily to the favored party. The majority of Jews vote upwards pf 80% and they are almost all urban votes. They are only 2% of the population but are extremely wealthy and influence much of the media and big business. You won't see any one party come out and say this of course but if you watch the news closely you will see that this is indeed the case. It is isn't right nor wrong, it's just politics.

Also I'm not sure why we needed immigrants in the first place. If we didn't have as many I think our standard of living would have been much higher then it is now, that cannot be argued. As we wouldn't have to spend as much on welfare or other social prgrams aimed that these immigrants.

Often times I think that the only reason we do allow so much immigration is so that industry can use them as cheap labour not at all caring what it does to society as industry/civic leaders won't have to deal with it. If we didn't have so much immigration industry would have to raise their wages or else not a lot of people would work in those types of jobs that are low paying...just a thought.

It wouldn't at all surprise me if industry was covertly funding these groups that are protesting against the immigration rule changes. Things of this nature does indeed happen.

Edited April 21, 2008 by Qwerty

[Leafless]

Jews are active in civic affairs. They tend to vote with their chequebooks, contributing heavily to the favored party. The majority of Jews vote upwards pf 80% and they are almost all urban votes. They are only 2% of the population but are extremely wealthy and influence much of the media and big business. You won't see any one party come out and say this of course but if you watch the news closely you will see that this is indeed the case. It is isn't right nor wrong, it's just politics.

Are you certain what you are saying is correct?

CJPAC (Canadian Jewish Political Affairs Committee) denies they endorse political parties or candidates.

"CJPAC does not endorse political parties or candidates and works with all elected officials regardless of their political affiliation. Donations to CJPAC are directed towards outreach and engagement advocacy. CJPAC does not use membership fees to support any electoral candidate or political party.")

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/12664.shtml

[Qwerty]

Are you certain what you are saying is correct?

CJPAC (Canadian Jewish Political Affairs Committee) denies they endorse political parties or candidates.

http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/12664.shtml

For the CJPAC to suggest that they speak for all Jews is absurd.

As absurd for example, that the LPC claims to be Canada's "Natural Governing Party" ...outlandish at best.

[jbg]

This couldn't be further from ther truth as the Liberal Party offical policy is far too left wing for the Democrats of the USA.

In the US parties don't have policies as such. The Democrats have evolved to the point where they are similar to the NDP, if you watch the train wreck that their current primary campaign has turned into.

[jbg]

There are a lot more Muslims in Canada then Jews. Why would the Jewish vote be that important?

Jews find a way to make it to the polls. Many Muslims and other "visible minorities" don't.

[Qwerty]

In the US parties don't have policies as such. The Democrats have evolved to the point where they are similar to the NDP, if you watch the train wreck that their current primary campaign has turned into.

NDP = Socialist/Labour, which is a nice way of saying communist, which equals workers rule.

So the Democrats are communists now? Laughable but as a left leaning yank, you should be happy.

Basing this off of the Penn. primaries I imagine. Which is a very industry driven state, arguably the most in the union. Campaigning which caters to the worker in such a state hrmmm...your statement is dubious at best.

Edited April 21, 2008 by Qwerty

[guyser]

If we didn't have as many I think our standard of living would have been much higher then it is now, that cannot be argued.

Ok, if you say so.

But you contradict yourself in a moment

Often times I think that the only reason we do allow so much immigration is so that industry can use them as cheap labour not at all caring what it does to society as industry/civic leaders won't have to deal with it.

[guyser]

Thank you for confirming that people on the Left hated Canada and Canadians.

If I said good morning to you , would your response be "you hate Canada?"

I am looking, and with a microscope no less, and I cannot find where I sai ud,or implied that I hate Canada.

Besides, I am not the angry one now am I?

[Qwerty]

Ok, if you say so.

But you contradict yourself in a moment

*sigh* It isn't a contradiction guyser...why must you pollute my topics constantly.

If we had less immigration, more people would be working at higher wages. They would have no choice but to raise wages because the unemployed pool from which to draw would be smaller and people would be able to be more picky about where they work as I have already described sir. Thus the standard of life in this country would rise.

I thought this was pretty simple...

Not to mention that your posts are not adding to the debate are sniping and spam as thus you will be reported for violating the rules yet again. Please try to learn how to form proper sentences in the future and you will garner a greater respect.

I understand that politics can get heated and that is healthy but to snipe ones post doesn't promote a mature dialog.

Edited April 21, 2008 by Qwerty

[guyser]

*sigh* It isn't a contradiction guyser...why must you pollute my topics constantly.

I guess pollution means anything you dont like. Ok ...now I know.

If we had less immigration, more people would be working at higher wages. They would have no choice but to raise wages because the unemployed pool from which to draw would be smaller and people would be able to be more picky about where they work as I have already described sir. Thus the standard of life in this country would rise.

And so would the prices to buy.

And who might be fueling the house frenzy that is now starting to cool off?

I thought this was pretty simple...

Oh well.

Not to mention that your posts are not adding to the debate are sniping and spam as thus you will be reported for violating the rules yet again. Please try to learn how to form proper sentences in the future and you will garner a greater respect.

I understand that politics can get heated and that is healthy but to snipe ones post doesn't promote a mature dialog.

Please try to learn how to think things through in the future and you will garner a greater respect.

Ouch !

Oh boo hoo. Cant take it? When you are right I will agree with you.

Violating the rules...too funny.

[Qwerty]

Majority believes Canada coddles minorities

Poll reveals deeply divided attitudes toward immigration

BRIAN LAGHI

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

April 17, 2008 at 4:04 AM EDT

OTTAWA — A majority of Canadians say their country bends too much in trying to make visible minorities feel at home, even as voters pat themselves on the back for being a welcoming society.

Results of a new survey for The Globe and Mail/CTV News also show substantial national fault lines on immigration, with urban Canadians more likely to support the growth of visible minority groups than their rural cousins are.

According to the poll, 61 per cent of those surveyed believe that Canada makes too many accommodations for visible minorities. In Quebec, 72 per cent of those surveyed feel that way.

[...]

The poll also found that 45 per cent of those surveyed believe new Canadians hold on to their customs and traditions for too long, only two percentage points below those who feel newcomers integrate into Canadian life at a natural and acceptable pace.

[...]

For example, on the matter of whether accepting new immigrants of diverse ethnic and religious backgrounds is an enriching part of the Canadian identity, 65 per cent living in cities of more than one million agreed, compared with 53 per cent of Canadians in communities of fewer than 30,000.

When asked to characterize the fact that five million Canadians are visible minorities, 55 per cent of Liberal supporters said it was a positive development, compared with 38 per cent of Conservative backers.

By contrast, 53 per cent of NDP backers, 56 per cent of Bloc Québécois backers and 59 per cent of Greens found the numbers a good thing.

Why is the growth of the visible minority population in Canada a good thing?

Full article : http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home

Edited April 21, 2008 by Qwerty

[guyser]

Hmm....

61% say too many accomodations are made. Nothing about not having them here in the first place.

55% say they dont hang onto their customs and traditions too long.

65% city and 53% rural say they are enriching this country.

And the majority (all but the CPC ) think minorities/immigrants are a good thing.

Well, I suppose one could conclude the majority think its all good.

Wonderful, oh and thanks for the uplifting news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled immigrant bashing thread, brought to you by White Hoods , we are not just for over the stove!

[Qwerty]

Hmm....

61% say too many accomodations are made. Nothing about not having them here in the first place.

55% say they dont hang onto their customs and traditions too long.

65% city and 53% rural say they are enriching this country.

And the majority (all but the CPC ) think minorities/immigrants are a good thing.

Well, I suppose one could conclude the majority think its all good.

Wonderful, oh and thanks for the uplifting news.

Now back to our regularly scheduled immigrant bashing thread, brought to you by White Hoods , we are not just for over the stove!

I'm not sure why I bother responding to you but here goes.

Why is it that disagreeing with a platform of multiculturism, as it is currently implemented, inherently a racist idea according to you guyser?

Those numbers hardly inspire a lot of confidence. 45% of people would be about 18 million people in this country. That is substantial.

Edited April 22, 2008 by Qwerty

[guyser]

Why is it that disagreeing with a platform of multiculturism, as it is currently implemented, inherently a racist idea according to you guyser?

It isnt racist. Never said it was.

But according to your link, overwhelmingly people were for it.

Those numbers hardly inspire a lot of confidence. 45% of people would be about 18 million people in this country. That is substantial.

You mean of course 45% who of those surveyed believe new Canadians hold on to their customs and traditions for too long, only two percentage points below those who feel newcomers integrate into Canadian life at a natural and acceptable pace.

Not 45% saying it is a bad idea like you are trying to push.

[Qwerty]

It isnt racist. Never said it was.

But according to your link, overwhelmingly people were for it.

You mean of course 45% who of those surveyed believe new Canadians hold on to their customs and traditions for too long, only two percentage points below those who feel newcomers integrate into Canadian life at a natural and acceptable pace.

Not 45% saying it is a bad idea like you are trying to push.

The way Canada implements it is the problem and needs reform not the idea of immigration itself. That's what I am pushing.

The number that feel badly about certain aspects of it will continue to grow as the current stand is continued, not shrink.

Edited April 22, 2008 by Qwerty

[Black Dog]

leafless:

Multiculturalism allows Islam.

We live in a pluralistic society and the freedom to associate and practice one's religion (or not) is a concept that predates and supersedes multiculturalism.

Islam promotes its followers to exist in enclaves to support Islamic beliefs...mosques and who really knows what else.

Same applies to a certain extent to Jews, Sihks and other ethno-religious groups. Again, this is a universal phenomenon. If you immigrated to a country where white Christians were the majority, you'd probably head to a neighbourhood where there were others of the same background and beliefs. In fact, in your case, I guarantee it.

Argus

Insofar as their attitudes towards homosexuals and women are concerned - yup. Oh there are shades of black, of course. I'm sure some of them only think homosexuals should be imprisoned as opposed to others who believe they should be tortured to death. I'm sure some are willing to tolerate women driving, while others want them whipped if they show any hair outside their bedsheet. But generally, core attitudes among third world Muslims are fairly similar.

And your evidence is....?