Political Correctness

[Wilber]

When a kid is simply given everything he wants he has no respect for it.

Amen to that. If they haven't earned something, they have no idea what it is worth.

[AngusThermopyle]

When a kid is simply given everything he wants he has no respect for it.

Spot on, an excellent point.

I had a paper route when I was a kid back in England. Sure it didn't pay much but I didn't care. It was mine, the money I earned was earned by me, not just given. I loved that route, having it made me feel about as good as anything else ever has. It gave me the power to decide, I could decide to spend or save according to what I decided I wanted to do (within reasonable limits that is).

It never occured to me then or since that I was some sort of abstract concept of an economic slave. Most likely because I wasn't. It is beyond absurd to attempt to claim that a kid with a paper route is a slave. It merely shows that the person making such a claim has no concept of what a slave is.

There is nothing wrong with instilling a positive strong work ethic in a child. In fact you would be doing a child a disservice by failing to do so.

Edited April 8, 2008 by AngusThermopyle

[jbg]

I'm sure every MP has either laughed at a gay, Ukrainian, paki or Indian joke in their lives. They should all stand up in the House, apologize and resign.

And every member of US Congress, President and the Judiciary as well.

[jbg]

When a kid is simply given everything he wants he has no respect for it.

Applause for that one.

Now apply it to the UN, FN's, Third World dictators, oil potentates and you're on to something.

[Peter F]

Paperroutes don't pay well.

So what.

It's not about how much money a kid can rake in but teaching them committment and dedication.

Hey! Maybe if they got paid less they'd learn even more!

[charter.rights]

Applause for that one.

Now apply it to the UN, FN's, Third World dictators, oil potentates and you're on to something.

Sure. Then you're back at child sweat shops. Do you support the exploitation of children?

And those kids that struggle with overloaded Saturday papers make pennies for their labour, while the paper makes thousands for all the flyers they struggle to carry. That is child exploitation. And if we pushed minority adults into doing it we would also call it exploitation.

[White Doors]

It is as relevant in todays society as slavery was in days gone by. We try to imagine that we are free of inequity and fair minded, when in fact we have merely traded one form of oppression for another. Our jobs and responsibilities as parents are to nurture our children and protect them from the exploitation of others. Yet many fail on those accounts choosing to invest their children without their consent into all kinds of for-profit enterprises. And the rest of society condones their exploitation by attending conferences or accepting that menial jobs are fit for child labour, all the while corporations and parents reap the benefits.

I too would like to know why you bother to respond when you really have nothing to say, or debate.

I see.. so instilling a work ethic in children is the same as slavery in the 1700's.

well, I'm sure that any reasonable person would agree with that!

lol

[White Doors]

It merely shows that the person making such a claim has no concept of what a slave is.

QFT. It also shows quite clearly that the person has no concept of what hard work is.

[M.Dancer]

Paperroutes don't pay well.

Actually they can pay very well. Home delivery is virtually done by adults with cars. It is more cost effective from the papers point of view. Where as you used to have 100s of depot points where kids would pick up their 30 or 40 papers, now there might be 3 where adult carriers pick up 5 or 6 bundles of 200.

[Wilber]

Hey! Maybe if they got paid less they'd learn even more!

School pays even less, maybe we should get rid of that as well.

[Drea]

Sure. Then you're back at child sweat shops. Do you support the exploitation of children?

And those kids that struggle with overloaded Saturday papers make pennies for their labour, while the paper makes thousands for all the flyers they struggle to carry. That is child exploitation. And if we pushed minority adults into doing it we would also call it exploitation.

And how would you, Charter, teach a child a work ethic? How would you teach him dedication? How would you teach him that life isnt' a free ride?

Edited April 8, 2008 by Drea

[Drea]

Actually they can pay very well. Home delivery is virtually done by adults with cars. It is more cost effective from the papers point of view. Where as you used to have 100s of depot points where kids would pick up their 30 or 40 papers, now there might be 3 where adult carriers pick up 5 or 6 bundles of 200.

Yes, the dailies are delivered in that manner for the most part. But community newspapers that come out twice a week or so are still delivered (for the most part) by kids.

My son hand delivers 66 papers by hand. Takes him about an hour. The "adult" carriers drop off his 66 papers at our door. They will be waiting for him when he gets home from school today.

[M.Dancer]

Yes, the dailies are delivered in that manner for the most part. But community newspapers that come out twice a week or so are still delivered (for the most part) by kids.

My son hand delivers 66 papers by hand. Takes him about an hour. The "adult" carriers drop off his 66 papers at our door. They will be waiting for him when he gets home from school today.

These are free papers? That go to every door?

[Drea]

Yes.

Most of my clients prefer using the free community papers rather than the paid subscription dailies. It's all about reach. The community papers are cheaper to advertise in and have more circulation than the dailies.

Wouldn't make much sense for a small bakery in Langely to advertise in the Province, for example.

[M.Dancer]

Yes.

Most of my clients prefer using the free community papers rather than the paid subscription dailies. It's all about reach. The community papers are cheaper to advertise in and have more circulation than the dailies.

Wouldn't make much sense for a small bakery in Langely to advertise in the Province, for example.

Their measured readership tends to be very poor though..which is why so few shoppers participate in readership studies. While the bakery might shun the Vancouver daily for being un cost effective, they might find a Canada Post flyer will target their prime market area for the same cost as a decent size ad in the shopper and get better results.

[Drea]

I generally try my best to find the most cost-effective advertising -- an ad in the Langley Times for example (quarter page) runs for an average (I say average, cause cost depends on number of runs) of $350. This ad then reaches the whole market of approx 40,000 households. A flyer, on the other hand would be approx. $40 per thousand -- $1600. So unless the flyer is full glossy, colour, or multiple pages, I recommend the client do in-paper ads.

[M.Dancer]

I generally try my best to find the most cost-effective advertising -- an ad in the Langley Times for example (quarter page) runs for an average (I say average, cause cost depends on number of runs) of $350. This ad then reaches the whole market of approx 40,000 households. A flyer, on the other hand would be approx. $40 per thousand -- $1600. So unless the flyer is full glossy, colour, or multiple pages, I recommend the client do in-paper ads.

$661.50 gross (one time rate)

The client would need to put the flyer in every household but only those within a certain radius from his business....maybe 2 postal walks .....ummmm 5000 doors....$200...

Community papers work well for big box stores.....little guys don't have the $$$ for the effective ads.....keeping in mind a 1/4 page of a tab can be missed by half of those who read it.....and half of thsoe who get it probably don't read it.

[Drea]

$661.50 gross (one time rate)

The client would need to put the flyer in every household but only those within a certain radius from his business....maybe 2 postal walks .....ummmm 5000 doors....$200...

Community papers work well for big box stores.....little guys don't have the $$$ for the effective ads.....keeping in mind a 1/4 page of a tab can be missed by half of those who read it.....and half of thsoe who get it probably don't read it.

Paper route targetting is possible and much cheaper than Canada Post. The papers that stuff the flyers manually have the option to do individual routes (so a business could do as few as 60 papers if they wanted to).

You got that the wrong way 'round. Community papers work the best for small businesses with small budgets. Where the expensive dailies work well for Costco and the like. The Province for example, goes all over the Province so it makes sense for a company like Costco, with many locations all over the province, to advertise. But not much sense for Grandma's bakery in Abbotsford... as they will not draw any customers from, say Fort St. John. For them, the community papers are their only affordable advertising venue.

Trust me. I do this for a living -- and have since 1991. ;-)

[Peter F]

School pays even less, maybe we should get rid of that as well.

Quite true...What people learn is inversley proportional to income! Eureka!...

[DrGreenthumb]

Before you think however that it is possible to campaign for "better practices", remember prohibition. In 1919, after a long temperance campaign, the US passed a constitutional amendment to forbid trade in alcohol. It was a disaster.

Cambodia, China and the Soviet Union tried to make a "new man" based on a new morality. Once again, the experiments were horrific disasters.

The Right, in its Libertarian heart, prefers to let people be. At most, social conservatives want individuals to face the consequences of their actions. Social engineering is largely an affair of the Left.

Are you bloody serious? The Right's Libertarian heart stopped beating a long time ago. There is nothing Libertarian about a government that wants to impose 6 month prison sentences for growing one cannabis plant. The CPC is hopelessly paternalistic and authoritarian. How can you reference prohibition of alcohol in the first part of your post as being a disaster and call a party that wants to increase prohibition policies libertarian?

Anybody who thinks a Libertarian heart beats within the CPC is delusional.

[Oleg Bach]

Quite true...What people learn is inversley proportional to income! Eureka!...

You don't learn anything in school. If you want to truely learn you have to have the burning desire to seek the absolute cold and damning truth about how things are really operating...no school is going to spill the beans on the big boys...like my friend says...."What people learn is inverseley proportional to income" In other words - the higher the economic class is the more they will let you in on the inner workings of the system - BUT - it gets to a point where you can not buy knowledge and wisdom - the rest you have to scavenge yourself - IF - you have the guts and bravery to embrace the truth (reality) - Most do not have that type of courage that may lead to allienation from the herd - it's a brave person that educates themselves - and a lazy coward who expects the system to drop a brain in their lap. You want it - wisdom - you have to go to the mountain top - MOST are afraid of the height....but is ultimate wisdom and knowledge worth the price - I would say not - and ignorance is bliss and most choose bliss...but bliss is a dangerous and unprotected state - one of vulnerablity. Our second rate eduational system does not empower the student...it simply conditions the little slave and makes him or her BLISSFUL...Much like a tastey young lamb.

[AngusThermopyle]

you have to go to the mountain top

Oleg! Oleg! You can come back down now!

[jbg]

Are you bloody serious? The Right's Libertarian heart stopped beating a long time ago. There is nothing Libertarian about a government that wants to impose 6 month prison sentences for growing one cannabis plant. The CPC is hopelessly paternalistic and authoritarian. How can you reference prohibition of alcohol in the first part of your post as being a disaster and call a party that wants to increase prohibition policies libertarian?

What % of your posts deal with cannabis and its criminal status?

[DrGreenthumb]

What % of your posts deal with cannabis and its criminal status?

Gee with a name like DrGreenthumb, who would have guessed that I came here specifically for that purpose.

Don't try and pass off the most authoritarian government Canada has ever had as libertarian. That is just stupid.

There is nothing libertarian about the CPC.

I pretty much agree with almost all other laws, so ending prohibition and stopping the state from arresting friends and family who have done nothing to harm another person in their lives will remain a priority for me. I don't give a crap if it bugs you. When you and the conservatives in general stop trying to dictate to me how I live my life, i will stop telling you and the conservatives to stop interfering in my life ok?

Stop putting your noses where they don't belong and you won't have to listen to people telling you to mind your own damn business. Seems pretty simple to me.

[M.Dancer]

Don't try and pass off the most authoritarian government Canada has ever had as libertarian. That is just stupid.

You're too young to remember the October crisis.....and probably not well read enough to know about Duplessis.....