Liberals Sit Out Most Votes of Any Party

[M.Dancer]

blah blah blah, more of your crap about me not properly quoting the definition of fascist that i got online. Nobody cares. Easier to complain about how I posted the definition than to look at the definition and see how well it describes conservatives and their sheeple. Get over it dude, I mean who really gives a damn that I didn't credit wiki or wherever the hell i got the googled definition of fascist from? Shoe fit? Truth hurt?

Most here view plagiarists with `disdain considering them pissant posers.

[guyser]

What a load of crap. Grow ops would still exist if it was legalized, how likely would organized crime be to give up such a lucrative business.

How about almost overnight? No market , no org grow ops.

How long did org crime stay in the alcohol business after prohibition was erased?

If it were legal to grow the price would come down , or people would grow it in their own backyard. Methinks a "load of crap" is pointed at the wrong person.

[DrGreenthumb]

What a load of crap. Grow ops would still exist if it was legalized, how likely would organized crime be to give up such a lucrative business.

You can't really be that dense. They wouldn't give it up, by choice anyway. Lucky for them conservatives like you will help them keep pot a black market commodity for a while.

Anybody can grow good weed, they call it weed because it grows like one. Even those who couldn't grow it could certainly find a cheap legal source in a regulated market. Like somebody in this thread said, most people don't brew beer when its easier to buy it. well d-uh in a legal environment there would obviously have to to be legal sources of supply too. The fact that anybody could grow it themself VERY cheaply would force the price to stay down at a reasonable level far below the level that makes it profitable to grow it inside million dollar homes.

Where is your belief in the free market?

Hey M DANCER how long should your friend who grew shitty weed go to jail for?

Do you believe that prohibiting glue, gas and solvents would prevent any harm stemming from their use?

Would less people be likely to use them as intoxicants if they were prohibited? Would anyone still find a way to aquire these products and sell them at a black market inflated price?

Try use some logic, you people don't seem to be very blessed in the logic department shit, my 6 year old kid could figure this out faster than you guys. I think you must be being purposely obtuse. If you can't figure out how bad prohibition is you don't have to feel bad about supporting Harper?

Edited April 3, 2008 by DrGreenthumb

[Alta4ever]

OK so by telling the conservatives and basically everyone else, including you, that my pot use is none of your friggin business I have made it your business?? Nice friggin try buddy, the conservatives YOU support made it their business in no small way and long before they ever got a letter from me.. The authoritarian dictator that you are supporting is trying to pass a law that would make it mandatory that a person goes to jail for at least 6 months for growing ONE PLANT. We were well on our way to getting the government out of our business before this crew of paternalistic nanny staters came into power.

Do you not get it? You made it an issue here with your advocacy

You don't even make any sense, you say conservatives favour LESS powerful government, but giving more powers of search and seizure to the police and increasing the power of the state to remove people's freedom is certainly creating a MORE powerful government, while stripping the citizens of their freedom to live their lives how they choose. The drug war is HUGE GOVERNMENT.

No this is huge civil service.

You are right that conservatism is not fascism, but Harper's crew of authoritarians are certainly not practicing conservatism. They are not really all that conservative at all except in their social policy. They hate those that they view as sinners and think it is their job to punish the sinners. Hence their distaste for gays,minorities( unless they are christian) and people who use drugs they don't approve of. The conservatives would like us all to CONFORM to how they think we should live, to be more like them. That is another sign of fascism.

Well what would have you call Jean Chrétien? He was very authoritarian by your definition. He strictly controlled his cabinet, pushed through an agenda that should have got to a referendum instead of the supreme court. You are just someone who is a little PO'd because this government isn't going to look the other way on your illicit drug use, and like all in your position when run out of argument you resort to the fascist smear.

There is no distaste for minorities in the CPC, the CPC is actively try to woo the minorities of this country.

You see its not enough for you or them to CHOOSE not to use plant based medicines like cannabis themselves, they are not happy until they get to make that choice for everyone else as well. They think they have the right to mind everyone's business. How can you possible be foolish enough to believe that Harper wants a LESS powerful government when he feels that the government should have enough power to be able to come into people's homes and tell them what they can eat, what medicines they can take, and who they can sleep with?

Are you looking for anarchy or even an even worse version of all the food recalls over the last year. How would you feel if their was no regulation on food stuffs, you buy spinage get very sick from the chemicals sprayed on it, or have it contribute to cancer, what would you do?

I know exactly what you would do, you would blame the government for not regulating the food supply. Without some rule of law we would live in anarchy.

I believe that the government and its henchman (the police), should leave people the hell alone. Real crimes like theft, rape, murder, assault, fraud, etc have identifiable victims who of course need to be able to count on the government to pursue people that have wronged them, and not take the "law" into their own hands. This is why we have police. The police and the courts should basically be for conflict resolution. They don't need spy gear, wire taps, and undercover cops to bust these kinds of crimes because the public is likely to cooperate in apprehending a suspect. Selling, buying or using any damn product we want as citizens, as long as we are not harming others is not criminal is it a simple excersise in free market. Consensual acts between free men and women. The drug market is conservatism at its best, captalist even, but not criminal. THe drug dealer makes a lot of money selling a product that is in demand, the buyer supports the underground economy by spending their money, and the government gets dick-all in taxes. Sounds like conservatism to me.

SO again, the pot use is none of yer friggin business, and none of Harper's business.

The medicines I use and the plants I grow are my business, and mine alone.

The police are not henchmen and you should have a little respect for those who enforce the laws, they do not make them and do not have a choice. They are they to help you and protect you.

The plants you own and the medicines you take are the business of society, because who do you run to when you have a problem?

[M.Dancer]

Lets see...tobacco is legal......anyone ever hear of blackmarket smokes?

Gambling is legal at casinos ...lotteries....anone know a bookie?

The idea that the mob or who ever wouldn't shift gears to meet a changing marketplace simply has no concept of business. The idea that gov't approved weed would be as potent as the chemo kind bud that comes now form the dark black mud simply has no concept of goverment incompetance....

[Alta4ever]

You can't really be that dense. They wouldn't give it up, by choice anyway. Lucky for them conservatives like you will help them keep pot a black market commodity for a while.

Anybody can grow good weed, they call it weed because it grows like one. Even those who couldn't grow it could certainly find a cheap legal source in a regulated market. Like somebody in this thread said, most people don't brew beer when its easier to buy it. well d-uh in a legal environment there would obviously have to to be legal sources of supply too. The fact that anybody could grow it themself VERY cheaply would force the price to stay down at a reasonable level far below the level that makes it profitable to grow it inside million dollar homes.

Where is your belief in the free market?

Hey M DANCER how long should your friend who grew shitty weed go to jail for?

Do you believe that prohibiting glue, gas and solvents would prevent any harm stemming from their use?

Do you really think that you would be able to grow a drug, if it were legalized there would be all kinds of regulations. Home grow ops would never be allowed. This isn't beer and popcorn.

[capricorn]

How long did org crime stay in the alcohol business after prohibition was erased?

Abolishing prohibition certainly paralyzed much of organized crime's business yet contraband alcohol is still available today. The market for illicit booze thrives among that segment of society that cannot afford the prices of legitimate vendors. This stuff is probably poisonous but a crook is not concerned with the well being of customers.

If it were legal to grow the price would come down , or people would grow it in their own backyard. Methinks a "load of crap" is pointed at the wrong person.

IMO there will always be a market for illicit goods be it booze, cigarettes, drugs or knock offs of designer goods. Anyone who seeks it will find it. No amount of law enforcement will ever completely eradicate this.

[M.Dancer]

Abolishing prohibition certainly paralyzed much of organized crime's business yet contraband alcohol is still available today. The market for illicit booze thrives among that segment of society that cannot afford the prices of legitimate vendors. This stuff is probably poisonous but a crook is not concerned with the well being of customers.

IMO there will always be a market for illicit goods be it booze, cigarettes, drugs or knock offs of designer goods. Anyone who seeks it will find it. No amount of law enforcement will ever completely eradicate this.

Quite true. I hear that dvds ar legal yet I also hear you can buy yet to be release vids for $5

[Wilber]

Quite true. I hear that dvds ar legal yet I also hear you can buy yet to be release vids for $5

Yup, the idea that crime may no longer be involved (but of course it will if there is any way to make a buck) is not a valid reason to legalize anything because criminals will just move on to something else and then there will be those who advocate legalizing whatever that is in order to get rid of crime. The beat goes on. The legalization of pot or anything else has to be considered on its own merits or lack of because not matter what we legalize there will always be criminals trying to take advantage of some human weakness. Unless of course we legalize crime, but then I guess there would be no such thing.

[M.Dancer]

Legalization of weed is so far down on my list of priorities ...just slightly ahead of repealling the law of gravity.

I'm under no allusion that once legalized, regulated and taxed that my black market source for hash will still be superior and easier to get than whatever the Gov't regulators allow on the market .

[DrGreenthumb]

Legalization of weed is so far down on my list of priorities ...just slightly ahead of repealling the law of gravity.

I'm under no allusion that once legalized, regulated and taxed that my black market source for hash will still be superior and easier to get than whatever the Gov't regulators allow on the market .

I really never thought I'd say this, but I really hope that you are caught procuring your black market hash and do a year or so in the slammer. Maybe then you will have the time to think about how moronic you sounded supporting the governments right to put you there.

[M.Dancer]

I really never thought I'd say this, but I really hope that you are caught procuring your black market hash and do a year or so in the slammer. Maybe then you will have the time to think about how moronic you sounded supporting the governments right to put you there.

I have never known or even heard of a casual user being arrested in thier home. No really, you must be 17....you think grown ups buy hash in bars or behind the eaton centre from "dealers"

And of the people I have known who were caught smoking oin public, not one has spent the night in jail.

Not one.

Arresting law abiding adults for smoking a joint is such a low priority for the police....somewhere just below enforcing the law of gravity.

[DrGreenthumb]

I have never known or even heard of a casual user being arrested in thier home. No really, you must be 17....you think grown ups buy hash in bars or behind the eaton centre from "dealers"

And of the people I have known who were caught smoking oin public, not one has spent the night in jail.

Not one.

Arresting law abiding adults for smoking a joint is such a low priority for the police....somewhere just below enforcing the law of gravity.

Yes thankfully Canada has made this a low priority for the past number of years. WHy a hash smoker would want that to change by electing conservatives like Harper is beyond me.

[Alta4ever]

Yes thankfully Canada has made this a low priority for the past number of years. WHy a hash smoker would want that to change by electing conservatives like Harper is beyond me.

There are issues of more importance then pot.

Edited April 3, 2008 by Alta4ever

[M.Dancer]

There are issues of more importance then pot.

Like all of them. God shot my if I become a one issue idiot...

[DrGreenthumb]

Like all of them. God shot my if I become a one issue idiot...

Don't worry anyone can see you have plenty of issues.

[jbg]

He campaigned like any other LIBERAL of the day in 2006, SLAMMING the CONSERVATIVES and their Agenda.

I'm going to be Stephen Harper's worst enemy," he warned. "We're going to stir the pot and you better believe we are going to make a heck of a lot of noise."

He also urged the LPOC, during the campaign, to "pull the goalie"; a seeming veiled reference to PMPM.

[jbg]

Anybody can grow good weed, they call it weed because it grows like one. Even those who couldn't grow it could certainly find a cheap legal source in a regulated market. Like somebody in this thread said, most people don't brew beer when its easier to buy it. well d-uh in a legal environment there would obviously have to to be legal sources of supply too. The fact that anybody could grow it themself VERY cheaply would force the price to stay down at a reasonable level far below the level that makes it profitable to grow it inside million dollar homes.

And this has what to do with the LPOC sitting out confidence votes, unless you're saying that the LPOC MP's are high or something while on the Hill? Does every thread relate to your pot legalization fetish?

[jbg]

Silence is deafening.

[madmax]

He also urged the LPOC, during the campaign, to "pull the goalie"; a seeming veiled reference to PMPM.

I was unaware of that quote. Of course he wasn't talking about Dryden So you could be right about it being

PMPM

[madmax]

Silence is deafening.

I know that for most of us, staying on topic can be a difficult exercise in a long thread. But I too get frustrated when a topic is hijacked and off topic, particularly if the "new" discussion could have warranted a thread of its own.

Regardless, I think even the General Population, no matter how little they follow what is going on, on the hill, are starting to realize how little the Liberals are acting as an Official Opposition, or more importantly, effecting Good Government, and how much of what they are doing is strategising what to do to get back in power. The Latter should always be done, but not at the expense of the Former.

[scribblet]

Maybe there should be an election now to get it over with - if not than Fall for sure.

[Moonlight Graham]

Liberals Sit Out Most Votes of Any Party

Hurray for political backbone! I understand the reasoning though, since the Liberals aren't in any position in the polls to make much gains in an election. That said, get rid of that blubbering Dion & find a real leader worthy of my vote.

[jbg]

I know that for most of us, staying on topic can be a difficult exercise in a long thread. But I too get frustrated when a topic is hijacked and off topic, particularly if the "new" discussion could have warranted a thread of its own.

You and I don't always agree but at least your posts are not always on one topic. One particular topic posts about pot legalization in every thread he/she/it posts in.

[jbg]

Hurray for political backbone! I understand the reasoning though, since the Liberals aren't in any position in the polls to make much gains in an election. That said, get rid of that blubbering Dion & find a real leader worthy of my vote.

Dion is a great leader and I fully encourage him to pull the plug on the CPC government. In fact, from Stateside I will relish watching the English Leadership Debate.