Racism Inc.

[Slim MacSquinty]

The following is an article from the Peterborough Examiner, local rather crusty school board trustee wrote a letter to the editor to a local paper, in which he railed against immigration this is the response:

Posted By ANDREA HOUSTON

Posted 14 hours ago

Several local activists and community social groups have banded together to demand public school board trustee Gordon Gilchrist resign after writing a letter to the editor attacking immigration.

Mike Ma, co-ordinator of Peterborough's Community and Race Relations Committee, said Gilchrist's remarks have caused pain to local immigrants and caused serious damage to the Peterborough area community.

"Although we're happy the board censured him and condemned his remarks, we feel that it's just not enough," Ma said.

rest of article DELETED by moderator; link to online article: http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/Art...y.aspx?e=929343

I find this whole scenario very interesting from a variety of veiwpoints, he may or may not have said some regretable things however it appears that "tow the line or else" is the prevailing attitude amongst his fellow trustees, is it desirable to have a perfectly monolithic attitude amongst a public body like the school board?

The people who are preaching tolerance (rightful so since they preport to represent immigrants who apparently face intolerance) seem to have precious little tolerance themselves as I percieve a desire for a blood letting from the comments.

Look at all the organizations that pipe in, this is in an area of Ontario that is so homogeneously white you can go for days without seeing a visible minority, it appears that the ratio of organizations per immigrant could be 1 to 12, hence the title racism inc.

Is it just me or should a society that prides itself on pluralistic, multi-ethnic liberalism be less reactionary to opposing view points?

Edited March 6, 2008 by Charles Anthony
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[eyeball]

Is it just me or should a society that prides itself on pluralistic, multi-ethnic liberalism be less reactionary to opposing view points?

Sounds like he pissed a few people off alright. I think these sorts of things call for a more creative reaction.

Someone should have organized a collecion to pay for one page in the same paper with a simple "Dear Mr Gilchrist, Bwahahahahahaha!" written from top to bottom.

[charter.rights]

Sounds like he pissed a few people off alright. I think these sorts of things call for a more creative reaction.

Someone should have organized a collecion to pay for one page in the same paper with a simple "Dear Mr Gilchrist, Bwahahahahahaha!" written from top to bottom.

Actually, the problem lies in the fact that racism is rooted in ignorance and racists are ignorant that their xenophobic attitudes are not socially acceptable. Of course the guy doesn't see himself as a racist. If he did and still held the poorly contrived ideas, then he would be considered a bigot.

Sensitivity training should be an annual event for all public officials. When racism is institutionalized - such as in a school board - then those policies can hurt an entire society. Good that the school board censured him. I also think the board should suspend him until he has taken some needed sensitivity courses. He needs to learn either that his views are based on his own ignorance, or that he truly is a bigot.

[White Doors]

How is disagreeing with Immigration policy of your own country, racism?

How is that even related?

What happened to free speech? Would it be ok if he thought these things and not said them or is it also a cfime to think this way?

What is wrong with this country? I think alot of things, but I can tell you - the majority of our problems eminate from Ontario. That is for sure.

I pity this man.

[Argus]

Actually, the problem lies in the fact that racism is rooted in ignorance and racists are ignorant that their xenophobic attitudes are not socially acceptable.

What a funny post. A person calling themselves "Charter.rights" evidencing a near total lack of awareness of what the Charter is or means

I've stated before that one of the reasons I don't approve of the massive influx of immigrants is that most come from socially backward societies without any idea of what freedom means. The earnest (self righteous) individuals who are campaigning against Gilchrist seem to have the typical immigrant belief (as does this poster) that freedom of speech means freedom only for THEM. But that anyone else can only speak an opinion which does not offend people - or else.

As others have long stated, if freedom of speech is only for freedom which offends no one then you have no freedom of speech. But that clearly is beyond the cultural mindset of many immigrants to grasp.

Of course the guy doesn't see himself as a racist. If he did and still held the poorly contrived ideas, then he would be considered a bigot.

Can you please enlighten us on which of his comments were bigoted or racist?

Sensitivity training should be an annual event for all public officials.

Brainwashing, you mean? Re-education camps anyone?

When racism is institutionalized - such as in a school board - then those policies can hurt an entire society. Good that the school board censured him. I also think the board should suspend him until he has taken some needed sensitivity courses. He needs to learn either that his views are based on his own ignorance, or that he truly is a bigot.

I bet you'd like it if we build "re-education camps" for people who express beliefs and opinions you don't approve of, too.

Charter rights eh? What a laugh!

[Argus]

Sounds like he pissed a few people off alright. I think these sorts of things call for a more creative reaction.

Someone should have organized a collecion to pay for one page in the same paper with a simple "Dear Mr Gilchrist, Bwahahahahahaha!" written from top to bottom.

Because, like, if any of you types tried to actually rebut his opinions - which, btw, you haven't even read - your tiny little brains would explode, right?

[eyeball]

What is there to rebut, we invite corporations to cross our borders in hopes they will enrich our lives, I fail to see why we would want to treat other people any differently.

[M.Dancer]

What is there to rebut, we invite corporations to cross our borders in hopes they will enrich our lives, I fail to see why we would want to treat other people any differently.

Precisely. We also don't allow companies that will impoverish us to set up shop either...

[AngusThermopyle]

Precisely. We also don't allow companies that will impoverish us to set up shop either...

All I can say to that is....OUCH!!! (very good point)

[Argus]

What is there to rebut, we invite corporations to cross our borders in hopes they will enrich our lives, I fail to see why we would want to treat other people any differently.

Are you talking about some other topic on some other thread? I really don't see how this has any relationship with anything being discussed here.

The man wrote a letter, as a private citizen, to a newspaper. It was published as his opinion. You can agree or disagree with it. If you disagree you can act like an iliterate cretin and jeer and make insults, or you can act like an adult and rebut it with contrary facts and sensible opinion.

Apparently you, and some others here, believe the former is the more acceptable answer and are mystefied as to why anyone would attempt the latter.

That says more about you than him.

Btw, did you even bother to find out what he actually wrote?

Edited March 6, 2008 by Argus

[August1991]

You can read Cilcrist' letter here. It was originally published in the Port Hope Evening Guide and Cobourg Star on Feb. 13.

Actually, the problem lies in the fact that racism is rooted in ignorance and racists are ignorant that their xenophobic attitudes are not socially acceptable. Of course the guy doesn't see himself as a racist. If he did and still held the poorly contrived ideas, then he would be considered a bigot.

Let's leave aside the culturally-charged terms of racism and bigotry and even the question of freedom of speech.

At issue is whether an elected official can publish their viewpoint or not. That is, should the board censure the school trustee.

It seems to me that voters should decide whether the behaviour of an elected official is appropriate or not. Council members should censure or force the resignation of a fellow councillor only in extreme cases. It is for voters to decide this issue - certainly not lobby groups.

If it were a government employee, then I think sanctions could apply. Government employees have responsibilities (and privileges) that the rest of us do not have.

Democracy is not always beautiful or pleasant. Sometimes it means we must accept to live civilly alongside people with whom we have very strong and open disagreements.

What is there to rebut, we invite corporations to cross our borders in hopes they will enrich our lives, I fail to see why we would want to treat other people any differently.

When you say "corporation" here, you make it seem as if giant robots roam the earth.

Corporations don't come to Canada. People with ideas and plans come to Canada.

Edited March 6, 2008 by August1991

[guyser]

- the majority of our problems eminate from Ontario. That is for sure.

Of course. It is also where the majority people live.

[eyeball]

Precisely. We also don't allow companies that will impoverish us to set up shop either...

No, instead we let them sue our government for lost profits.

[Argus]

If it were a government employee, then I think sanctions could apply. Government employees have responsibilities (and privileges) that the rest of us do not have.

Aside from the fact you don't like public servants do you have anything logical behind that suggestion? Why should civil servants have fewer rights than anyone else?

Now if it is a someone talking on the record, as an employee of an organization and disagreeing with the stated policy of that organization you might have a point, but the same would apply to a Ford worker saying Ford is making crappy cars, for example. If an Immigration Canada employee writes a letter saying immigration should be halted - and going on to talk about what a lousy, incompetent place it was, then sure, maybe the organization should sanction him. But if someone who simply happens to be an employee of Industry Canada, or the post office, say, writes a letter to the editor saying he is opposed to immigration why would he be any more liable to sanctions by his employer than anyone else?

[eyeball]

Is this the same Jack Foote that Gilchrist is talking about? Its no wonder people think Gilchrist is a nut.

Jack Foote says he isn't hunting humans, but it looks like he's hunting something. He wears combat fatigues and his private army has weapons out of a Terminator movie: AK-47s and A5-15s with 520 rounds of ammunition, 40-centimetre knives and side-arms powerful enough to blow a person's brains out.

Why all this firepower, Jack?

"It's dangerous out there," he says of the trip he is about to make. "You've got rattlesnakes and scorpions, and tarantulas the size of a man's hand. And you could always get shot up."

Foote is speaking from a ranch on the Arizona-Mexico border. Our meeting takes place only after delicate negotiations, mostly via email. Foote likes to be elusive; he has a drop mailbox and a phone answering service. And he doesn't like the media. On his website he says: "News media (are) a group of pathological liars and socialist tools. Propaganda and indoctrination are their objectives."

When you say "corporation" here, you make it seem as if giant robots roam the earth.

No, corporations are legally considered people and yes they can roam the world at will, compared to other people.

[normanchateau]

You can agree or disagree with it. If you disagree you can act like an iliterate cretin and jeer and make insults, or you can act like an adult and rebut it with contrary facts and sensible opinion.

Apparently you, and some others here, believe the former is the more acceptable answer and are mystefied as to why anyone would attempt the latter.

Eyeball, I've not been on this board for a while and can't recall if pointing out spelling errors is acceptable etiquette or merely considered a sophomoric insult designed to distract from the topic under discussion. Nonetheless, I am mildly amused if not "mystefied" at the audacity of someone who would make reference to an "iliterate" cretin while appearing not to know how to spell either "mystified" or "illiterate".

[eyeball]

The more I look into this Foote character the more I appreciate my comparison of human immigrants to corporate immigrants.

One such measure, an operation at Sutton Ranch in Jim Hogg County, Texas, was termed "Operation Falcon". On March 18, 2003, Fatima Del Socorro Leiva Medina and Edwin Alfredo Mancia Gonzales, illegal immigrants from El Salvador, alleged they were chased, detained, threatened, robbed and assaulted by Ranch Rescue operatives after being caught trespassing on the property. One operative, Henry Mark Conner, aimed a rifle at Leiva and Mancia during the incident. He and Casey James Nethercott, another operative, were indicted on charges of aggravated assault and unlawful restraint. Nethercott was additionally indicted on charges of unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranch_Rescue

Never mind that lots of corporations would starve if it wasn't for the Medina's and Gonzales of the world, they should be allowed to sue the Ranch for lost potential profits too.

Stockholders and capitalists everywhere should be outraged at this.

Edited March 6, 2008 by eyeball

[eyeball]

Eyeball, I've not been on this board for a while and can't recall if pointing out spelling errors is acceptable etiquette or merely considered a sophomoric insult designed to distract from the topic under discussion. Nonetheless, I am mildly amused if not "mystefied" at the audacity of someone who would make reference to an "iliterate" cretin while appearing not to know how to spell either "mystified" or "illiterate".

Give him a break, he's probably from a family of immigrants and still learning to speak Canadian.

[Moxie]

Oh the horror expecting new Canadians to adapt to our culture, contrary to the Leftest agenda of Multiculture that resulted in racial and ethnic gettos and enclaves. Racism 101 enforced by the left and sold to the stupid public as "Tolerance" and "Diversity". Oh Dear me, we wouldn't want the truth to be told that all cultures aren't equal. Let's all pretend honour killings are a good thing, while we are pretending we can forget the horrors little girls must suffer under the guise of diversity.

England should be so proud, little girls go missing and they think this "MIGHT" be a problem, women and children are desposable under a socialist goverment. In the name of tolerance and diversity and racial pandering what's a few hundred missing little girls that have been sold to horney ole men. Isn't it cute the way the socialist aka Labour aka Liberals need special leftard organizations like the National Forced Marriage Unit, it sorta of sounds like the SPCA but without any real mandate to help women and children. Wanna bet this issue will get glossed over as it has been in Canada for decades. Lets face it these MEN and WOMEN will pander to any culture to get elected for a life time, a few thousand women and children are worth their "Socialist Ethos" or lack of ethos.

Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...d=1770&ct=5

Snippet: Dozens of children are missing from school amid fears they have been forced into arranged marriages, it was revealed yesterday.

In Bradford, 33 children remain "unaccounted for" after being off school for at least two months with no explanation.

The Government is also concerned about another 14 areas of the country where it is feared children under 16 could also be missing from school rolls.

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Awaiting their fate: Young brides wait for their grooms in a mass arranged wedding in Bangladesh

The figures were disclosed yesterday by Children's Minister Kevin Brennan during evidence to the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, which is investigating the controversial issue of forced marriages.

He revealed the results of worrying inquiries by officials in Bradford, a city with a substantial Asian population.

Children's Minister Kevin Brennan: disclosed the figures yesterday

Mr Brennan said Bradford City Council lost track of 205 youngsters last year.

Further inquiries had established the whereabouts of 172 - leaving 33 unaccounted for.

"It is a serious concern when any child - any single child - becomes unaccounted for," said Mr Brennan.

"And what we need to try to do is seek an explanation of what has happened."

Asked whether the police were looking for them, he added: "They should be."

Committee chairman Keith Vaz, a former Labour minister, said MPs were "very, very concerned".

"The figures you have given us quite frankly have shocked members of this committee just in relation to Bradford," he said.

He added: "There are 14 other areas where there are missing children. This is totally unsatisfactory."

The MPs demanded a report with more details about the "missing" children be ready by next Tuesday.

The national Forced Marriage Unit was set up three years ago to tackle the problem regarded as "an abuse of human rights and a form of domestic violence".

Laws coming into force this summer will allow victims

[Argus]

Eyeball, I've not been on this board for a while and can't recall if pointing out spelling errors is acceptable etiquette or merely considered a sophomoric insult designed to distract from the topic under discussion.

I don't think you need to worry as sophomoric would still be a huge step up for you, and distractions from topics would tend to hide the fact you don't know anything about most of what is being discussed anyway.

[White Doors]

Of course. It is also where the majority people live.

No it's not.

There are 36 million people in Canada. There are what, 12 million in Ontario?

That is not a majority in my books.

[Leafless]

No it's not.

There are 36 million people in Canada. There are what, 12 million in Ontario?

That is not a majority in my books.

Then what other single province surpasses the population of ONTARIO?

I wouldn't want you as my math teacher.

BTW, where do get your inflated 36 million people in Canada numbers.

At this rate, the population of Canada will reach 33,305,836 by July 1st, 2008.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/edu/clock/population.htm

You even beat out predicted population estimates.

[White Doors]

Then what other single province surpasses the population of ONTARIO?

I wouldn't want you as my math teacher.

BTW, where do get your inflated 36 million people in Canada numbers.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/edu/clock/population.htm

You even beat out predicted population estimates.

Ok, fine. 33 million people live in Canada, and of that, 12 million live in Ontario.

But you are right, the majority of Canadains live in Ontario.

if 1/3 is a majority in you books, then fine.

How are your fractions? Did you math teacher have diffulty with fractions?

If he said, Ontario is the most populous province, fine. But that is not what he said.

Can you follow along leafless?

Edited March 7, 2008 by White Doors

[guyser]

No it's not.

There are 36 million people in Canada. There are what, 12 million in Ontario?

That is not a majority in my books.

Ok ok....you got me. We are not a majority . I did not mean in the strictest sense... 12M/33M = 1/3 or thereabouts.

sheesh.... but we still have more nuts !

[AngusThermopyle]

Then what other single province surpasses the population of ONTARIO?

PEI?